José Enrique

[Guest optimistic nit]

we're already performing way better than most thought we would at the start of the season, we need to have faith that players will stay because of this.

[Guest optimistic nit]

Can't see us selling Tiote, we only just signed the f***ing guy.

 

Wonder how long it'll be before I open a player thread and it isn't about him being definitely sold in the summer?

 

Get used to it. We used to be a club who bought players for large fees, give them massive career fulfilling contracts, and then could never get rid of them.

 

We are now a club who aims for players on lower fees, on lower wages, but with potential to be a hell of a lot better. It is a natural consequence of the second option that we will worry about the players we sign who turn out to be great player, and then leave for bigger and better clubs.

 

Do it consistently enough for a long period of time and you might get lucky and hit the sweet spot between the Arsenal model and the Man Utd model!

 

 

 

...and if you get it wrong a few times, you end up between the Sheffield Wednesday and WBA model...!

go the other way and it's leeds and pompey........and us to certain extent.

 

Leeds and Pompey do NOT have our crowd potential or drawing power.

Still, we can always settle for second best instead of 3rd best, eh !?

 

Leeds and NUFC's problems were the result of having a complete dickhead in charge instead of only a partial one..

you just don't want to get it do ya ? it doesn't matter what the size of crowds, turnover or prestige of club,'crowd potential or 'drawing power'......if you try to live too far beyond your means you'll end up f***ed. the only difference is the size of the numbers, the premise is the same for all.

 

 

 

Just don't want to 'get it'..!?

 

If I and others hadn't wanted to 'Get it' 20 years ago, the club would still have been run by McKeag's family and KK would never have arrived as manager ONCE. never mind twice...

 

I don't need a lesson in economics thanks - you are implying that the club would be 'living beyond its means'by competing for decent signings or trying to keep its best players ; that is a matter of conjecture - do you believe that Kuqui is a decent signing for a club like Newcastle ? Or would Gateshead be a more likely setting for him !?

 

We have sold a young player who, in all likelihood, will play for England for 10 years and win medals with Liverpool - yes, that's right, Liverpool and they WILL win medals despite the envious tripe spouted on here about them because they are ambitious and have rich backers....nobody is saying that NUFC should be signing 35m players but there IS and should be, a balance.

 

Also, any club selling its top players will never prosper - end of...

If you don't want to talk Sheff Weds, try Burnley and see how selling best players did for them. NUFC DOES have a big support and only clubs with decent support can be successful over a long period. NUFC has not punched its weight over the years and if you can't(or WON'T) see that, you either haven't supported the club for very long or you have a poor memory recall.

 

Ashley may not be Abramovitch but he COULD back the club a bit better in the market - as could anyone who doesn't blink at losing 1m a shot in casinos..!! Failure to attract or keep good players means that any decent ones left at the club will also want to leave.

 

 

except you obviously dont get it because if you think an extra few thousand a year (because thats all the difference between us and leeds is/was) makes the difference between going bust and staying on track then you're wrong. You mention Kuqi but what about hatem and tiote? if we sign two players a transfer window, for the price of these two with their ability then we will be chasing for europe in no time.

 

 

[madras]

It's not even about great players though, often it's not even local players but those have come through the ranks at a club, they are the identity of that club. Why did Guti survive longer than every galactico?

 

Alex Ferguson is the master at it. He's not handing out contract after contract to Brown, Fletcher, O'Shea because they're the best he can get, he could find a better player than those three in a second but they are more important to him than any Ronaldo because that is how he has maintained a winning mentality at the same club for 20 years.

 

If the players are world class like Giggs then even better, two birds with one stone. That's why Ferguson is the best ever because of the culture he has maintained, far more than any tactics or transfers.

 

NUFC selling off not only good players but ones who we have produced makes me feel absolutely sick. It still cuts me up to see Michael Carrick playing elsewhere, Carroll will break me. Fastest track to achieving f*** all.

 

Excellent post, highlights the folly of this idea we could and should just turn over players and expect to keep finding new ones who'll play just as well as the previous squads.

 

When you pursue a development strategy with a club like ours, you find a good player and you hold on for grim death. Players like Enrique are players you do break any supposed wage cap for because they're absolutely blue chip - players you know will earn their wages and help make sure others will earn theirs, too. They have experience which is literally unobtainable elsewhere because they earned it here. It's one thing to limit offers made to new signings - they're unproven and could end up like Smith, so you want to limit the potential damage, but when they've proven themselves to be special, you make the necessary accommodations and harness the momentum instead of squandering it.

 

Spot on.

it's not that we should "just turn over players" but we have to be honest and see we aren't top of the pecking order, hopefully if this money is pent well we'll get higher up but for the moment it's buying well which is what got us to the champs league first time round.....guti was mentioned earlier, had real madrid been mid table and bayern munich offered 25mill for him and were in the champs league what do you think would've happened ?

[Jayson]

Tottenham were 8th the season before they managed 4th. They held onto the likes of Modric, Palacios, Lennon, Huddlestone, Bale etc All ended up having good seasons & getting interest from elsewhere. We should be following their example. Im doubtful that we'd really get bids from the big clubs yet, liverpool are the main issue for anyone we have.

 

With tottenham the only big player they sold was Bent that season & he had been replaced by another striker already proven in the prem in Defoe. They then Also brought in Crouch - Same story. The striker they spent the most on was pavlyuchenko & he's now back up to the other two. Which highlights the risks of unproven prem players in that position regardless of their cost & ability elsewhere.

 

 

[madras]

Tottenham were 8th the season before they managed 4th. They held onto the likes of Modric, Palacios, Lennon, Huddlestone, Bale etc All ended up having good seasons & getting interest from elsewhere. We should be following their example. Im doubtful that we'd really get bids from the big clubs yet, liverpool are the main issue for anyone we have.

 

With tottenham the only big player they sold was Bent that season & he had been replaced by another striker already proven in the prem in Defoe. They then Also brought in Crouch - Same story. The striker they spent the most on was pavlyuchenko & he's now back up to the other two. Which highlights the risks of unproven prem players in that position regardless of their cost & ability elsewhere.

 

 

hadn't they sold a few players for huge profits and maybe they paid huge salaries that kept those players and were lucky enough to finish high enough to keep them...we done that for a bit, if you drop down though it becomes a bit of a millstone if the payers have been shit and you're paying them champs league wages.

[Cajun]

I agree that successful clubs tend to be those that build around home grown, exceptionally talented players. That said if they want to fuck of what can you do?

 

Carroll wanted out, if he didn't want to go what exactly could they do?

 

I don't like Ashley but we look to be on the up so I am not sure ambition is really that much of a weighted argument and selling a young lad who has 6 months of top level experience for an amount that makes him the 8th most expensive player ever seems fairly reasonable to me.

 

I wanted him to stay and if he was desperate to aswell I would have been very pissed off but as said, he obviously wanted the move as much as the sports jumble sale king.

 

I am still to be convinced we are a "selling club", we sell like the majority of others who receive offers that are over inflated compared to the players true ability. The only debatable one for me was Given but his actions didn't exactly make it easy to get the best deal even if we were selling to buyatwhatevercost fc.

 

Against increasingly popular opinion I disagree that "it's funny these players suddenly want to leave" money talks these days, Man U losing Ronaldo and Barcelona fighting to keep (right back whose name wants to play hide and seek in my brain) sums it up.

 

I might be naive but I don't really believe in the Ashley wants to fuck us over theory as much ad it has seemed the only reasonable explanation at times. He has angered me beyond belief but he is just a ruthless dickhead of a business man. He will love to make big profits on players but our success is also a revenue he would want to take.

 

He seems to have this unrealistic idea of buying youn/cheap and selling high but that's just one part of the plan. He isn't going to just sell off everything (why bother having more than 2 players per position or signing Ireland on loan/turning Ben Arfa's move permanent?

 

I think he is an idiot who really needs a few football men around him, he does run us too much like a business than a football club but he isn't actively trying to make us fail either.

 

The core of the squad is a lot better than it has been for years, relegation inadvertently helped clear some dead wood but I am more confident that we are moving forward than I was for the last few years before he took over.

 

Basically this is a REALLY long way of saying I don't think we are selling anyone with a semblance of football ability unless it's for offers any reasonable club could not turn down.

[Mr. Snrub]

I think he is an idiot who really needs a few football men around him, he does run us too much like a business than a football club but he isn't actively trying to make us fail either.

 

He had Keegan and Terry Mac and still fucked us over. 

[Guest EastEndGeordie]

I agree that successful clubs tend to be those that build around home grown, exceptionally talented players. That said if they want to f*** of what can you do?

 

Carroll wanted out, if he didn't want to go what exactly could they do?

 

I don't like Ashley but we look to be on the up so I am not sure ambition is really that much of a weighted argument and selling a young lad who has 6 months of top level experience for an amount that makes him the 8th most expensive player ever seems fairly reasonable to me.

 

I wanted him to stay and if he was desperate to aswell I would have been very pissed off but as said, he obviously wanted the move as much as the sports jumble sale king.

 

I am still to be convinced we are a "selling club", we sell like the majority of others who receive offers that are over inflated compared to the players true ability. The only debatable one for me was Given but his actions didn't exactly make it easy to get the best deal even if we were selling to buyatwhatevercost fc.

 

Against increasingly popular opinion I disagree that "it's funny these players suddenly want to leave" money talks these days, Man U losing Ronaldo and Barcelona fighting to keep (right back whose name wants to play hide and seek in my brain) sums it up.

 

I might be naive but I don't really believe in the Ashley wants to f*** us over theory as much ad it has seemed the only reasonable explanation at times. He has angered me beyond belief but he is just a ruthless dickhead of a business man. He will love to make big profits on players but our success is also a revenue he would want to take.

 

He seems to have this unrealistic idea of buying youn/cheap and selling high but that's just one part of the plan. He isn't going to just sell off everything (why bother having more than 2 players per position or signing Ireland on loan/turning Ben Arfa's move permanent?

 

I think he is an idiot who really needs a few football men around him, he does run us too much like a business than a football club but he isn't actively trying to make us fail either.

 

The core of the squad is a lot better than it has been for years, relegation inadvertently helped clear some dead wood but I am more confident that we are moving forward than I was for the last few years before he took over.

 

Basically this is a REALLY long way of saying I don't think we are selling anyone with a semblance of football ability unless it's for offers any reasonable club could not turn down.

 

Look the thing about MA is that for a while (like now) he makes you think "oh he's finally changed", look at the sacking of ol' Chrissy Hughton, people may say nowadays that "oh he wasn't good and we never liked him" but at the time (and let's be honest) at the moment they secretly are thinking "f*** MA why did Chris have to go".

 

Same thing will happen here, MA will see things are doing well then go nuts perhaps sacking Pardew or Graham Carr, or indeed allowing Tiote and Enrique to leave and bringing in Carlton Cole.

 

Basically MA is absolutley insane.

 

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[Cajun]

I mean a bit higher up, the club is run by business men who seemingly know fuck all about football or how a football club should be run.

 

As much stick as Shepherd and the Halls got they knew football and knew Newcastle United. Ashley would do well getting some advisers.

[madras]

I mean a bit higher up, the club is run by business men who seemingly know f*** all about football or how a football club should be run.

 

As much stick as Shepherd and the Halls got they knew football and knew Newcastle United. Ashley would do well getting some advisers.

and yet the clubs you aspire to are run by faceless absolute businessmen who have more finance at their disposal.

[Guest EastEndGeordie]

I mean a bit higher up, the club is run by business men who seemingly know f*** all about football or how a football club should be run.

 

As much stick as Shepherd and the Halls got they knew football and knew Newcastle United. Ashley would do well getting some advisers.

 

Bloody hell man all he needs to do is log on here and he's got at least a hundred advisors willing to work for free.

[Jayson]

Tottenham were 8th the season before they managed 4th. They held onto the likes of Modric, Palacios, Lennon, Huddlestone, Bale etc All ended up having good seasons & getting interest from elsewhere. We should be following their example. Im doubtful that we'd really get bids from the big clubs yet, liverpool are the main issue for anyone we have.

 

With tottenham the only big player they sold was Bent that season & he had been replaced by another striker already proven in the prem in Defoe. They then Also brought in Crouch - Same story. The striker they spent the most on was pavlyuchenko & he's now back up to the other two. Which highlights the risks of unproven prem players in that position regardless of their cost & ability elsewhere.

 

 

hadn't they sold a few players for huge profits and maybe they paid huge salaries that kept those players and were lucky enough to finish high enough to keep them...we done that for a bit, if you drop down though it becomes a bit of a millstone if the payers have been s*** and you're paying them champs league wages.

 

Season they sold Berbatov they brought in Modric 16m, Bentley 15m, Pav 14m, Palacios 12m, Keane 12m, Defoe 9m, Gomes 8m,  Corluka 8.5m, Chimbonda+Dos santos = another 10m.

 

Dunno about wages but they spent far more than they made. Spent more the season they sold bent also.  Season before they sold Berb the same, far more. Redknapps just making much better choices in the transfer market now & its paid off.

They also increased Bale's wage only months after he'd just signed another contract as ive mentioned before. I dont see much excuse for us losing our better players given Carrolls sale now also, depends whos in for them. We seem defeatist about it all already though & that should be far from the reality.

[ponsaelius]

Scousers on their forum seem to think they're looking at José because he'd be a cheap option.

 

They're talking about £6 million 

[Guest]

The season they finished 8th they sold their main striker for over the odds to Liverpool. Sound familiar?

[jdckelly]

Scousers on their forum seem to think they're looking at José because he'd be a cheap option.

 

They're talking about £6 million 

did they blank out the carroll thing or something

[Guest toonarmymia]

Scousers on their forum seem to think they're looking at José because he'd be a cheap option.

 

They're talking about £6 million 

 

there's a few places (eg. talksport) reporting the 6 mil fee has been agreed already. even if Ashley was to cash in on it, would thought he'd go for more than this (if true)

[BeloEmre]

Talksport 

[NG32]

I mean a bit higher up, the club is run by business men who seemingly know f*** all about football or how a football club should be run.

 

As much stick as Shepherd and the Halls got they knew football and knew Newcastle United. Ashley would do well getting some advisers.

 

 

Shephard knew football?

 

He made some BAD footballing decisions and  ran the club into the highest debt its ever known.

 

Handing out wages to footballers who had already peaked and were on a downward trend, not omce thinking to himself  "if we bought younger players, we would spend less on wages"

 

He was fucked up man.  

[Punk77]

I mean a bit higher up, the club is run by business men who seemingly know f*** all about football or how a football club should be run.

 

As much stick as Shepherd and the Halls got they knew football and knew Newcastle United. Ashley would do well getting some advisers.

 

 

Shephard knew football?

 

He made some BAD footballing decisions and  ran the club into the highest debt its ever known.

 

Handing out wages to footballers who had already peaked and were on a downward trend, not omce thinking to himself  "if we bought younger players, we would spend less on wages"

 

He was f***ed up man. 

 

 

And he withdrew money from the club on yearly basis, despite its horrible economical situation.

[Guest EastEndGeordie]

I mean a bit higher up, the club is run by business men who seemingly know f*** all about football or how a football club should be run.

 

As much stick as Shepherd and the Halls got they knew football and knew Newcastle United. Ashley would do well getting some advisers.

 

 

Shephard knew football?

 

He made some BAD footballing decisions and  ran the club into the highest debt its ever known.

 

Handing out wages to footballers who had already peaked and were on a downward trend, not omce thinking to himself  "if we bought younger players, we would spend less on wages"

 

He was f***ed up man. 

 

 

And he withdrew money from the club on yearly basis, despite its horrible economical situation.

 

And the biggest crime of all - he fucking sacked Bobby Robson

[Guest Pie]

I mean a bit higher up, the club is run by business men who seemingly know f*** all about football or how a football club should be run.

 

As much stick as Shepherd and the Halls got they knew football and knew Newcastle United. Ashley would do well getting some advisers.

 

 

Shephard knew football?

 

He made some BAD footballing decisions and  ran the club into the highest debt its ever known.

 

Handing out wages to footballers who had already peaked and were on a downward trend, not omce thinking to himself  "if we bought younger players, we would spend less on wages"

 

He was f***ed up man.  

 

 

And he withdrew money from the club on yearly basis, despite its horrible economical situation.

 

And the biggest crime of all - he fucking sacked Bobby Robson too late and replaced him with a complete cock

FYP

[Revolution Number 9]

Imagine if we could put him on the wing. He'd be frightening.

[Guest palnese]

Enriqinho

[Guest zeta87]

perhaps Jonas and Enrique could change positions.

[Guest firetotheworks]

Fair play to Sturridge. I don't think I've ever seen Jose get turned like that.