Guest sicko2ndbest Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 van Aanholt in please. For me he should be the back up to the first choice atm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 van Aanholt in please. For me he should be the back up to the first choice atm Depends who's first choice, that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chubby Jason Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Pards will try for cash plus player deal with Konchesky I bet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Thanks to the Cup draw, Liverpool are unlikely to be in Europe next season. Those and perhaps Spurs are the only teams I'm worried about signing him. Might be clutching at straws here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Luke Edwards has been saying he's off for a while now. Aye, he was going mental when that statement was released by Jose/the club calling him all sorts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 He's staying, relax. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 van Aanholt in please. For me he should be the back up to the first choice atm Disagree. From what I've seen of him, he's first team material. His ticket to Chelsea's first team is exceptional expensive since they got Cole. The only way we're able to sign him is if he knows he's replacing Enrique. Besides, if we're as patient with Van Aanolt as we've been with Enrique, he could develop into one hell of a lb. Remember that Enrique was mediocre for two seasons.. I think Van Aanholt is not interested in changing club just to be backup, again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I'd guess the club are looking at Taye Taiwo considering he'll be on a free, he's young and currently playing in the south of France meaning Carr, Pardoo and Dekka can get a holiday out of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I'd hate to see Jose leave, especially to another Premiership team but the most pressing matter at the minute is getting him a new, improved (and deserved) contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I'd hate to see Jose leave, especially to another Premiership team but the most pressing matter at the minute is getting him a new, improved (and deserved) contract. Everything is relative. If he'd been on a lousy contract such as Tiote's original deal, he's in his rights to claim a new and improved contract. But the man signed under the previous regime, so he's already well paid. Some reports believe he's on 60 000 a week. He's not worth more. Although he had to stuck with a club in turmoil, we must not forget that he wasn't an instant success. He should remember that one of the reasons for his current development should be ascribed to the fact that the club has continued to play with him, despite some weak displays. The first two seasons he was an unstable performer, with some great displays but also some horrific. This is the first season that he's delivered consistently on the highest level. I want Enrique to stay, but not for all cost. I honestly believe that we're able to find an replacement that could be just as good if given time. We should not offer him ludicrous money. If he wants to quit, it's not because of the money, since he's already well paid. He wants new challenges. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I'd hate to see Jose leave, especially to another Premiership team but the most pressing matter at the minute is getting him a new, improved (and deserved) contract. Everything is relative. If he'd been on a lousy contract such as Tiote's original deal, he's in his rights to claim a new and improved contract. But the man signed under the previous regime, so he's already well paid. Some reports believe he's on 60 000 a week. He's not worth more. Although he had to stuck with a club in turmoil, we must not forget that he wasn't an instant success. He should remember that one of the reasons for his current development should be ascribed to the fact that the club has continued to play with him, despite some weak displays. The first two seasons he was an unstable performer, with some great displays but also some horrific. This is the first season that he's delivered consistently on the highest level. I want Enrique to stay, but not for all cost. I honestly believe that we're able to find an replacement that could be just as good if given time. We should not offer him ludicrous money. If he wants to quit, it's not because of the money, since he's already well paid. He wants new challenges. Interesting. Sorry, I didn't realise he was on that kind of money to be honest. I thought he had signed just after Ashley's takeover? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I couldn't give a fuck what money he's on. He's one of our best players and we should be paying him what is necessary to keep him. 'He's not worth more' than £x ffs. As long as he's doing the business, who gives a shit? Honestly, some people seem more interested in the balance sheet than the team sheet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I couldn't give a fuck what money he's on. He's one of our best players and we should be paying him what is necessary to keep him. No, we should be offering him a competitive salary but making him understand that there's more to life and football than $$$, especially in NE1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I couldn't give a fuck what money he's on. He's one of our best players and we should be paying him what is necessary to keep him. 'He's not worth more' than £x ffs. As long as he's doing the business, who gives a shit? Honestly, some people seem more interested in the balance sheet than the team sheet. I know what you mean Dave, but surely you can't want the club to be held to ransom by every player? I agree that it's impossible to say "he's worth £Xk a week" though, as all footballer's salaries are insane anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I couldn't give a fuck what money he's on. He's one of our best players and we should be paying him what is necessary to keep him. No, we should be offering him a competitive salary but making him understand that there's more to life and football than $$$, especially in NE1. I think the problem we have is that we can't really offer him any of the other things (European football, trophies etc) - money used to be our main weapon in attracting players. They were the wrong players, but still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggs Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I couldn't give a f*** what money he's on. He's one of our best players and we should be paying him what is necessary to keep him. 'He's not worth more' than £x ffs. As long as he's doing the business, who gives a s***? Honestly, some people seem more interested in the balance sheet than the team sheet. I agree but does Jose believe the owners ambition matches his i.e winning trophys and pushing for Europe etc and his decisiion will be based on this imho and not money . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I couldn't give a f*** what money he's on. He's one of our best players and we should be paying him what is necessary to keep him. 'He's not worth more' than £x ffs. As long as he's doing the business, who gives a s***? Honestly, some people seem more interested in the balance sheet than the team sheet. It's a dangerous path to take. If he's given let us say £80 000 a week, that's not suddenly going to improve his play further. If his heart is not in the right place, his performances will suffer, like the ones he's given us lately. There's no direct connection between pay and performance, like you obviously think. We cannot buy motivation. We've experienced that earlier through the likes of Owen and Luqe. The most important thing for us now is to improve our overall squad depth. If Enrique doesn't sign, we're able to bring in van aanholt and an two three good talents for the money we save on Enrique's salary and his sales price. That might hurt us in the short run, but Van Anholt might improve, and if he's injured or suspended we have better players to replace him than Perch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I couldn't give a fuck what money he's on. He's one of our best players and we should be paying him what is necessary to keep him. 'He's not worth more' than £x ffs. As long as he's doing the business, who gives a shit? Honestly, some people seem more interested in the balance sheet than the team sheet. the attitude from the top has filtered down successfully it seems Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I couldn't give a fuck what money he's on. He's one of our best players and we should be paying him what is necessary to keep him. 'He's not worth more' than £x ffs. As long as he's doing the business, who gives a shit? Honestly, some people seem more interested in the balance sheet than the team sheet. I know what you mean Dave, but surely you can't want the club to be held to ransom by every player? I agree that it's impossible to say "he's worth £Xk a week" though, as all footballer's salaries are insane anyway. Of course I'd rather the club wasn't held to ransom by every player, but not every player can justify their wages. Some of the players on our books can't even justify League Two wages and yet we don't seem to have a problem paying them. Enrique can, quite clearly. Sure, we can't offer European football etc and I have doubts over the club's ambition at present so it's understandable if the players do too, but I just find the concept of prioritising the finances over the team fucking ridiculous. We're meant to be football fans. It's as if some would rather we turned a profit than finish higher up the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I understood this argument with Carroll considering his age, lack of experience, recent new contract and the silly money on the table (even though I still disagreed with the sale), but it just doesn't wash with me when talking about Enrique, sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I couldn't give a f*** what money he's on. He's one of our best players and we should be paying him what is necessary to keep him. 'He's not worth more' than £x ffs. As long as he's doing the business, who gives a s***? Honestly, some people seem more interested in the balance sheet than the team sheet. It's a dangerous path to take. If he's given let us say £80 000 a week, that's not suddenly going to improve his play further. If his heart is not in the right place, his performances will suffer, like the ones he's given us lately. There's no direct connection between pay and performance, like you obviously think. We cannot buy motivation. We've experienced that earlier through the likes of Owen and Luqe. The most important thing for us now is to improve our overall squad depth. If Enrique doesn't sign, we're able to bring in van aanholt and an two three good talents for the money we save on Enrique's salary and his sales price. That might hurt us in the short run, but Van Anholt might improve, and if he's injured or suspended we have better players to replace him than Perch. Bollocks, as usual. Why is it also a given that Chelsea will sell us Van Aanholt? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Obviously I don't want us to put finances ahead of football, but at the same time I know the club has to be managed within its means. At the end of the day we should be trying everything to keep Enrique and get him a new deal, but any wages we offer him will be within strictly-defined limits. As to whether the limits are too low or whatever, then we're back in to the realms of opinion and speculation... it'll pretty much always be impossible to say. If he ends up leaving we'll be gutted, if he stays we'll be ecstatic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 for clubs like us it surely has to be performance-based inclined from here on in no? i mean you say to Enrique here's a competitive wage but play xx games you get this, do this you get that etc...so it all adds up to a more than competitive wage crazy bonuses for success really...that way it becomes win win Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 for clubs like us it surely has to be performance-based inclined from here on in no? i mean you say to Enrique here's a competitive wage but play xx games you get this, do this you get that etc...so it all adds up to a more than competitive wage crazy bonuses for success really...that way it becomes win win There's obviously a reason all football clubs don't do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 for clubs like us it surely has to be performance-based inclined from here on in no? i mean you say to Enrique here's a competitive wage but play xx games you get this, do this you get that etc...so it all adds up to a more than competitive wage crazy bonuses for success really...that way it becomes win win There's obviously a reason all football clubs don't do that. what is it then? fucking hate the way football is sometime - oh well it's this way and it's always been like that so there's no way it could work any other way bollocks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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