José Enrique

[Guest Pedro_de_geordieo]

Mark Douglas

@MsiDouglas Mark Douglas

Transfer related!

 

[Guest PhilB]

PhilB, we totally understand. We're Newcastle fans, you don't need to tell us about unrealistic expectations. I still expect us to win the league next year and Champions League will be a piece of cake next year. And when it doesn't happen, SACK THE BOARD!

 

 

Been there, done that lots of times.  You'll enjoy it.

[binnsy]

So have we officially agreed a fee with the bin dippers or is it just paper talk?

[jdckelly]

So have we officially agreed a fee with the bin dippers or is it just paper talk?

some say yes a few say no

[AyeDubbleYoo]

So have we officially agreed a fee with the bin dippers or is it just paper talk?

 

The papers say yes and no I think, as usual.

[Incognito]

We'll have this episode again this time next year with Coloccini. Because there is no way he'll be offered anything like he is on now. If he's offered anything at all, that is.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

We'll have this episode again this time next year with Coloccini. Because there is no way he'll be offered anything like he is on now. If he's offered anything at all, that is.

 

Yeah, I fear we will, unless we end up making a lot more money this season. And even then we still might.

[Ishmael]

We wont be able to get near the money Colo is on in the space of a year.

[The Prophet]

We'll have this episode again this time next year with Coloccini. Because there is no way he'll be offered anything like he is on now. If he's offered anything at all, that is.

 

 

I'll miss Colo more than Jose.

 

[Jack Flash]

Will there be people kicking off at Ashley when Colo goes? We obviously shouldn't be paying those wages again in the near future so it'll be interesting to see the reaction.

[Disco]

Will there be people kicking off at Ashley when Colo goes? We obviously shouldn't be paying those wages again in the near future so it'll be interesting to see the reaction.

 

If we're liable to be posting not a loss now (as the finance thread informs me we might), why not?

 

Bearing in mind Smith, Lovenkrands, Harper and a few others are likely to all leave.

[Rich]

Will there be people kicking off at Ashley when Colo goes? We obviously shouldn't be paying those wages again in the near future so it'll be interesting to see the reaction.

 

If we're liable to be posting not a loss now (as the finance thread informs me we might), why not?

 

Bearing in mind Smith, Lovenkrands, Harper and a few others are likely to all leave.

 

Aye, there has to come a point where we do start paying those wages again, surely? If we consistently maintain our PL status there is no reason why we shouldn't be able to in the very near future.

[Skirge]

The wage cap is killing us.. either up it or get rid of it.

[JH]

Will there be people kicking off at Ashley when Colo goes? We obviously shouldn't be paying those wages again in the near future so it'll be interesting to see the reaction.

 

If we're liable to be posting not a loss now (as the finance thread informs me we might), why not?

 

Bearing in mind Smith, Lovenkrands, Harper and a few others are likely to all leave.

 

Aye, there has to come a point where we do start paying those wages again, surely? If we consistently maintain our PL status there is no reason why we shouldn't be able to in the very near future.

 

Well there is one reason...

 

http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/jun2009/0/1/mike-ashley-501607702.jpg

[Cajun]

We do/did pay a lot in wages though tbf. The likes of Colo, Barton, Jose and even xisco, smith will be at the top end if not earning more than their counterparts at the clubs around us.

 

Isn't Colo on close to £90k a week? That sort of wage most clubs would struggle to pay without cl football, isn't that the reason spurs have to sell to buy this summer?

[BlueStar]

Will there be people kicking off at Ashley when Colo goes?

 

Nope.  People will say he's a mercenary greedy twat who was causing trouble and was shit anyway.

[Guest sicko2ndbest]

People are torn it's as simple as

 

On the one hand if they knew they were partaking in an orchestrated mass boycott/protest that would make a difference believe me to a man everyone would be in

 

However, a lot of fans are apathetic seeing previous demonstrations fall on deaf ears and be generally counter productive therefore they don't bother

 

Brian McNally said it tonight on twitter we ate not a militant bunch, noone cares enough to orchestrate a mass protest so until this moment arrives we need to either stop whining or do something about it

[NewJerseyMag]

People are torn it's as simple as

 

On the one hand if they knew they were partaking in an orchestrated mass boycott/protest that would make a difference believe me to a man everyone would be in

 

However, a lot of fans are apathetic seeing previous demonstrations fall on deaf ears and be generally counter productive therefore they don't http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php?action=post;quote=3111757;topic=43659.10875;num_replies=10885;sesc=4a187adf7863fc594547bc2cef3713dbbother

 

Brian McNally said it tonight on twitter we ate not a militant bunch, noone cares enough to orchestrate a mass protest so until this moment arrives we need to either stop whining or do something about it

 

Only demo that would work would be an empty stadium, but it will never happen. An empty SJP would have them gone in a few weeks.

[Rich]

We do/did pay a lot in wages though tbf. The likes of Colo, Barton, Jose and even xisco, smith will be at the top end if not earning more than their counterparts at the clubs around us.

 

Isn't Colo on close to £90k a week? That sort of wage most clubs would struggle to pay without cl football, isn't that the reason spurs have to sell to buy this summer?

 

Ashley signed off on all of the contracts you mention. It's not an excuse. Like buying us, the contracts are a mistake he should live with and make the best of.

 

He can't expect them to take fucking wage cuts when wages in the game are still rising everywhere else. It's not like Colo, Jose, Nolan or Barton got any worse since we first signed them, if anything they are/were at their most valuable at the end of this season.

[Segun Oluwaniyi]

We do/did pay a lot in wages though tbf. The likes of Colo, Barton, Jose and even xisco, smith will be at the top end if not earning more than their counterparts at the clubs around us.

 

Isn't Colo on close to £90k a week? That sort of wage most clubs would struggle to pay without cl football, isn't that the reason spurs have to sell to buy this summer?

 

Ashley signed off on all of the contracts you mention. It's not an excuse. Like buying us, the contracts are a mistake he should live with and make the best of.

 

He can't expect them to take f***ing wage cuts when wages in the game are still rising everywhere else. It's not like Colo, Jose, Nolan or Barton got any worse since we first signed them, if anything they are/were at their most valuable at the end of this season.

You should evaluate what they accomplished throughout the whole of the contract. Some players just have single good seasons while others tend to perform best in "contract years". Nolan and Colo may have earned with 2 good years of service, but I certainly would not extend the same courtesy to Barton.

[Rich]

We do/did pay a lot in wages though tbf. The likes of Colo, Barton, Jose and even xisco, smith will be at the top end if not earning more than their counterparts at the clubs around us.

 

Isn't Colo on close to £90k a week? That sort of wage most clubs would struggle to pay without cl football, isn't that the reason spurs have to sell to buy this summer?

 

Ashley signed off on all of the contracts you mention. It's not an excuse. Like buying us, the contracts are a mistake he should live with and make the best of.

 

He can't expect them to take f***ing wage cuts when wages in the game are still rising everywhere else. It's not like Colo, Jose, Nolan or Barton got any worse since we first signed them, if anything they are/were at their most valuable at the end of this season.

You should evaluate what they accomplished throughout the whole of the contract. Some players just have single good seasons while others tend to perform best in "contract years". Nolan and Colo may have earned with 2 good years of service, but I certainly would not extend the same courtesy to Barton.

 

I think you evaluate how valuable they are to you at that point in time, project how valuable they will be to you in the future and offer them what they're worth, so I suppose we just disagree about that. I'm sure "rewarding" players for good service does come into it though, or it should at least. It seems the board did it this way with Nolan as well, to be totally fair to them. It was extremely difficult to justify a 5 year deal for him, I'll admit.

 

I don't disagree that wages should be scaled down as players get older/near retirement and they become less able on the pitch, but I'm not entirely sure that happens yet.

 

If it's used as an excuse with Coloccini then it's an absolute joke. I'm fairly sure both John Terry and Rio Ferdinand signed new contracts with their respective clubs at around the same age as Colo hopefully will in the near future, and I'm fairly sure both of their contracts saw bumper wage rises. I appreciate that it's Chelsea and Manchester United I'm talking about here, but surely Colo is as important to us these days as those players were to those two at the time?

 

With all the extra wages released next summer due to certain wasteful contracts expiring, it will be an absolute disgrace if Colo doesn't get a good offer.

[BottledDog]

We do/did pay a lot in wages though tbf. The likes of Colo, Barton, Jose and even xisco, smith will be at the top end if not earning more than their counterparts at the clubs around us.

 

Isn't Colo on close to £90k a week? That sort of wage most clubs would struggle to pay without cl football, isn't that the reason spurs have to sell to buy this summer?

 

Ashley signed off on all of the contracts you mention. It's not an excuse. Like buying us, the contracts are a mistake he should live with and make the best of.

 

He can't expect them to take fucking wage cuts when wages in the game are still rising everywhere else. It's not like Colo, Jose, Nolan or Barton got any worse since we first signed them, if anything they are/were at their most valuable at the end of this season.

 

Yes, live with until the end of the contract, which he is doing, then either party can choose to strike a new deal, or walk away. Situations change, and apparently in terms of the wages we feel we can offer, they have for us.

 

It's hardly unusual or underhand, a number of contract jobs I've taken on recently have been for a lot less than I could have got away with in the past, so I don't see why footballers should be a particularly special case in that regard.

[Rich]

We do/did pay a lot in wages though tbf. The likes of Colo, Barton, Jose and even xisco, smith will be at the top end if not earning more than their counterparts at the clubs around us.

 

Isn't Colo on close to £90k a week? That sort of wage most clubs would struggle to pay without cl football, isn't that the reason spurs have to sell to buy this summer?

 

Ashley signed off on all of the contracts you mention. It's not an excuse. Like buying us, the contracts are a mistake he should live with and make the best of.

 

He can't expect them to take fucking wage cuts when wages in the game are still rising everywhere else. It's not like Colo, Jose, Nolan or Barton got any worse since we first signed them, if anything they are/were at their most valuable at the end of this season.

 

Yes, live with until the end of the contract, which he is doing, then either party can choose to strike a new deal, or walk away. Situations change, and apparently in terms of the wages we feel we can offer, they have for us.

 

It's hardly unusual or underhand, a number of contract jobs I've taken on recently have been for a lot less than I could have got away with in the past, so I don't see why footballers should be a particularly special case in that regard.

 

I'm fairly certain not everyone else is paying less, though, and if anything our revenues have increased in the past season and will again this season. If you want to grow and move up the table, you'll generally need to pay more wages year on year to achieve that and keep the players you already have, etc.

 

How can people not see this? We got relegated and trimmed the wage bill hugely. At a pure guess it seems to me like we appear to be at least breaking even so far this summer in wage terms, without even taking Barton and Enrique's potential departures into account - and any others that may now come in/go out. Revenue will have increased massively with the return to the Premiership and will again this season thanks to even better TV money and probable higher season ticket sales/general attendances, etc. I can't ignore the huge figures from player sales, either.

 

I'm not one for being overly negative/reactionary (I don't think), but this baffles me.

 

You keep your best players if you want to get better, even if you have to pay them very well to do so.

[Shak]

Colo is club captain and if he has another quality season this year it should be an absolute no brainer to give him a contract extension without expecting him to take a wage cut.

 

By all means have a wage cap in place for new signings and unproven players, but a player like Colo (or Enrique for that matter) is vastly more valuable than the majority of the others in the squad, and we should be willing to pay them as such.

 

We won' though, obviously, because we're a shambles.

[Punk77]

The wage cap is killing us.. either up it or get rid of it.

 

You're crazy, it's the other way around..The wages are killing us..When the club already is  using 80-90 % of its turnover on wages, it's lunacy to remove the wage cap.

 

And Shak: Enrique is not worth more than he's paid now.He's on £50 000 a week. But he still got much to learn. He's fantastic man on man, but his positioning needs improvement along with his offensive play. Enrique has now played four seasons in England, and it's only now that we're getting value for money. In fact, he was not consistent last season either. Enrique is not Baines, Evra or Cole (the latter two have played on the upper level for many seasons) but in Liverpool he'll probably get the same wages as them, which I think is wrong. Had Enrique been rock solid the majority of the time he's been with us, the case would of course have been quite different.