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They started to get a lot of international fans back in the Gullit, Vialli, Zola era.

Getting CL and the club World Cup have probably sorted them for another season Had they missed out on the CL it could have got interesting, but I think they’ll be fine this year at least

Alright fair play. However think about it like this. We went from being relegation fodder to playing in the Champions League in just two years. Then, we finished 7th and 5th, and even won a trophy, all while following the rules. We're so close to being a top team consistently challenging for the PL etc. A stone throws away. If APT wasn't a thing, wouldn't we be even further ahead? Considering where we are now with APT? That's the main point I'm trying to make, but I know it's all if and maybes as you said.

Nice chap, terrible signing, probably the worst fullback I’ve seen play, and there’s a lot of competition for that honour. His next contract elsewhere will be at best a tenth of that deal, total drain on the clubs resources for zero contribution. Just Hayden to go now from the bomb squad.

TBF it's in his job description to turn up to training

I didn’t know them at the time of course, but I doubt that when the sentient bog brush was talking about putting in electrified fences to stop Combat 18 and other delightful supporter groups from invading from half-empty dilapidated terraces I doubt they were on whatever passed for Twitter using a faraway team’s successes as a pitiful penis extension

That is SOME hourly rate

Bild in Germany have reported the buy back as being 'over 60 million Euros', and so it is somewhere in the £50 million range. Yeah, they like a youngster for that role because they already have VDV, Konate and Joe Gomez, all more experienced players. As the tweet stated it will have to be someone that is okay with not being guaranteed first team minutes. Once VDV and Salah stayed on, the priority was to maximise their Prem and Champions League challenge over the next few years. They've added players that will be expected to come in and perform at the highest level straight away. If they lose both VDV and Salah this summer, along with Trent, they likely go into a bit of a mini rebuild. Wirtz would likely have opted for Bayern or Man City instead. In that scenario, they likely also give the likes of Bradley and Quansah more of an opportunity to stake a first team place, as they have shown the potential, but just need the reps, and a bit of leeway to play through some mistakes.

Yeah, it's true, being a one-club city with crazy fans, a huge stadium, and so much potential helped too. They've already spent a ton on Newcastle. We went from almost getting relegated to the Champions League in just two years! And that's even with some obstacles. Can you imagine if there weren't any of those financial rules and obstacles? We don't need Chelsea's 2 billion spend on players, but even a quarter of that, and we'd probably be in the top three, competing for the title. Thats why I disagree with what the others were saying earlier on.

He's very fickle, continuously spitting the dummy, then returning when it suits. But that is a trait of many Sunderland fans. Sunderland boy made good and former chairman Tom Cowie nailed it decades ago.

I'm not saying they were unwilling to spend money; I agree, they clearly want us to succeed. All I meant was that we don't really know the full extent of what they would have done. Iirc Amanda mentioned something about PIF being prepared to invest around £60m per year on transfers (which they actually exceeded). Anyway, there's no point getting caught up in the what-ifs. People come to this thread for a bit of a serotonin boost, not to see dry debates about ownership and stuff

I see you missed the point entirely

Incredible to think we did all that under an Ashley regime.

Wow a Sunderland fan being pedantic and condescending, bless my cotton socks

Just out of curiosity did those overseas fans support them in the days of Ken Bates or when Abramovics billions came in?

Spot on, I don't believe selling hotels/womens team was part of the plan but rather a creative solution At some point it all has to catch up to them

According to this site (Which is very likely to be wrong): https://www.capology.com/player/jamal-lewis-35820/ He was on £45k a week, which equates to £2,340,000 per year. He has been here for 5 seasons, which means we've paid him £11,700,000 in his time at the club. We apparently paid around £15m for him from Norwich, which means he's cost us a total of £26,700,000. He played a total of 36 games of us, which means per game played he cost £741,666. He started 27 games for us, which means per start he cost £988,888. He played a total of 2580 minutes for us, which means per minute on the pitch he cost £10,348.

Congratulations, you are now a sports journalist

Chelsea sold theirs for 17.3 times their current revenue, sale was £200m If Villa did the same they'd sell for £109m

This is why I just posted in another thread that winning trophies and competing in the CL is important from a PIF viewpoint. Chelsea were barely on the international radar before Abramovich's buyout. Winning the PL in such style with Mourinho catapulted them into the spotlight.

And for all the good sellers tag they have something must be fucked up if they are needing to sell hotels etc to make ends meet for psr. At some point they have to run out of these one off items.

If Chelsea sign Gittens too that he got to be times up for Neto, Madueke or a few of their youngsters, The club should also look at what opportunities this transfer creates - is there someone who is now unsettled to go for

work in the sector and agree

For the first part he did an interview with Ben Foster. For the last bit. I made that up.