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Your first statement Coco. This was my first statement: "Who says there'll be losses? If this move gets attendances up to around 50,000 there would be no loss from this season." What's so bad about it? I meant this one "Newcastle drop season ticket prices, Newcastle fans complain, couldn't f***ing make it up, some of you are clowns." Aye, well done then they also announce that Kinnear will be staying on if his health is ok which they except it will be. Give with one hand take with the other. And tbh i would pay more for a season ticket if i knew we would get some progress. And by progress i dont mean finishing 3rd or summik daft like that. So if we buy a few £20m players in summer, then have to put the price up to cover the cost, you wouldn't start a thread on here stating that they're not managing the club correctly? You'd be one of the first to complain tbh.

you don't understand the principle I've outlined ? I'll answer for you. Nothing. I see. You don't understand the point/hypocrisy about odious people then which I knew mandiarse wouldn't answer. Souness has nothing to do with the current discussion. Stick to the topic at hand and people might consider taking you seriously. you mean like when I said long before you and everybody else that Ashley was ruining the club ? I'm assuming that's all you're looking for?

Is the top 4 too far to reach?

Colo was pretty poor in his first season for Depo too.

Did Martin Taylor get an extended ban? no, but his challenge wasn't as bad as Nolan's for me. For one, Taylor didn't go in two footed, in fact it was simply mistimed and down to Eduardo's pace/trickery more than owt else http://images.tvnz.co.nz/tvnz_images/sport/soccer/taylor_eduardo_tackle_d.jpg Over the ball. Both as bad imo.

Technically we're down to 8 men seeing as Ameobi and Butt are still playing.

I'd hardly seen him until that tackle.

Maybe a good time to delete this thread....

You've not seen enough football then. Awful challenge, but nowhere near the worst.

He'll be lucky not to have a broken leg there. Well done Nolan, fucking idiot.

they are all absolutely correct, but you can bet that a few particular people on here would tell you whatever Mike Ashley does is wonderful, even if we get relegated and end up like Sheff Wed they will still think he's doing all the right things for the club and so long as he doesn't "embarrass them" [whatever that means, poor dears] he will be just, er, great. Link?

Wouldn't Shearer or Martins be a more appropriate debate?

I don't think the Villa fans would complain about parting with the 12m either...OR MON..! It was NOT a brilliant deal for NUFC because the money was not properly re-invested in the side..having said that, MON is getting far more out of Milner than NUFC ever did, simply because he is a better manager than NUFC have had(with the POSSIBLE exception of KK, but MON has won things as a manager and KK has not - promotions excepted). I think £12m in £50 notes would put a better cross in than Milner for us though. Worth a try at least.

Not 100% sure you should take the thread down that route.

I'd rather start with 10 men than see Butt ever play for us again.

Did that actually ever happen??

Damned if they do....

Smith's a top top lad, but a poor poor player.

so why are they defending and backing Ashley ? Don't say they aren't, because they are. Thing is Dave, the point I made a few years ago on numerous occasions "replacing the current directors with someone of similar calibre will be more difficult than people think" still stands, but they still defend Ashley. They should realise now that their unhappiness with the last regime was badly misplaced. I find it particularly sad that people are scorning the approach which gave them all those european qualifications, champions league run, stadium expansion, and the top quality footballers we signed that got us there in the first place, in favour of financial prudency when the same situation applied when Bobby Robson was manager and they were happy enough with what followed later through backing him. the key word here is approach. the approach was of spend now worry later, which has gotten us into a mess. so given that the finances are in such a mess, thanks to the old board, why is it surprising that people are scorning it? its completely deserving of scorn. you scorned the champions league qualifications ? Spending big is the only way to get there. So do you think Shepherd was leading us back there, with his big spending? you won't get there without it. Do you think Ashley will ever match the Halls and shepherd ? I agree, you won't get there without it. No, Ashley will never match them. However, Shepherd was never going to match that period again either. So do you think we were going to get there with it? When we finished 25 points short of qualifying, before Ashley was even mentioned, did you sit there looking forward to the next year when you thought we'd be in the top 4? Honest question.... I've answered this. I think Allardyce was an attempt to re-structure the club with a manager who had proved he could put together a decent team without needing big money until they could challenge again. The crowds would continue to be big because whatever you say or think of the old regime the public knew they had ambition. The opposite is true of Ashley, the public now know he doesn't, so when crowds dive, and we have another relegation fight or worse, then the point about choosing to show ambition or not, which has been pointed out in the past, will become clearer still as it still obviously isn't clear enough after the events of the last 18 months. Woah woah woah, you're claiming Shepherd had changed his approach of spending big to get us back there, the very approach you want Ashley to go down? So really, you think Ashley is doing the right thing by putting together a decent team without needing big money until we could challenge again, it's really just the choice of manager which is the problem? Yeah, I'd agree with that. Allardyce wasn't the right man either though, neither was Keegan with that approach.

so why are they defending and backing Ashley ? Don't say they aren't, because they are. Thing is Dave, the point I made a few years ago on numerous occasions "replacing the current directors with someone of similar calibre will be more difficult than people think" still stands, but they still defend Ashley. They should realise now that their unhappiness with the last regime was badly misplaced. I find it particularly sad that people are scorning the approach which gave them all those european qualifications, champions league run, stadium expansion, and the top quality footballers we signed that got us there in the first place, in favour of financial prudency when the same situation applied when Bobby Robson was manager and they were happy enough with what followed later through backing him. the key word here is approach. the approach was of spend now worry later, which has gotten us into a mess. so given that the finances are in such a mess, thanks to the old board, why is it surprising that people are scorning it? its completely deserving of scorn. you scorned the champions league qualifications ? Spending big is the only way to get there. So do you think Shepherd was leading us back there, with his big spending? you won't get there without it. Do you think Ashley will ever match the Halls and shepherd ? I agree, you won't get there without it. No, Ashley will never match them. However, Shepherd was never going to match that period again either. So do you think we were going to get there with it? When we finished 25 points short of qualifying, before Ashley was even mentioned, did you sit there looking forward to the next year when you thought we'd be in the top 4? Honest question....

so why are they defending and backing Ashley ? Don't say they aren't, because they are. Thing is Dave, the point I made a few years ago on numerous occasions "replacing the current directors with someone of similar calibre will be more difficult than people think" still stands, but they still defend Ashley. They should realise now that their unhappiness with the last regime was badly misplaced. I find it particularly sad that people are scorning the approach which gave them all those european qualifications, champions league run, stadium expansion, and the top quality footballers we signed that got us there in the first place, in favour of financial prudency when the same situation applied when Bobby Robson was manager and they were happy enough with what followed later through backing him. the key word here is approach. the approach was of spend now worry later, which has gotten us into a mess. so given that the finances are in such a mess, thanks to the old board, why is it surprising that people are scorning it? its completely deserving of scorn. you scorned the champions league qualifications ? Spending big is the only way to get there. So do you think Shepherd was leading us back there, with his big spending?

Grant had a better team because Man City signed Robinho? Come again?

This is exactly my question to NE5, and he will not answer it except to say Ashley is a clueless knobjockey etcetera etcetera Looks like you're right. Oh well. He won't answer because he can't answer it. Just keep on harping back to the 70's and 80's and the glory champions league nights which none of us have the slightest clue about. eeerrr.....exactly. Now, toonlass. I know I said this yesterday, but rather than get accused by somebody of "derailing the thread" when I didn't, I'll at least try to make it debateable now that its gone in this direction. Genuine question. You have yourself, Colos short and curlies [sorry if thats not quite right mate I still think of you as Scott parkers 60's haircut], madras, whatthefunk, a few others, taking the side of outright prudency in one corner. In the other, you have me, UV, Spence [maybe], johnnypd, and one or two others, and Dave sort of in the middle but wavering over to "our" side because he's very bothered by the current position and other things. We were all very pleased when Keegan walked through the door, weren't we ? [apart from one or two like ozzie and Baggio who have expressed their opinions of him ie quitter and all of that bollocks, IMO]. Why were you pleased. Was it because you envisaged the club spending some money to back him and getting back into europe and better ? If that were still the case, what would you now be saying ? Also - if Ashley had kept Given, and spent say 20m quid not just to get away from the foot of the table, but with a concrete desire to improve the fortunes of the club, which also improve the financial position if these new players are successful [which is the key]. What would you be saying ? Would you be pleased, or would you be saying that we shouldn't be doing this because of the debts ? I'm going out now, I don't give a toss about the snow. I don't want to derail, but hopefully there will be some good honest replies. well, this is now 4 days later, and it would appear nobody ie those who continue to say that I'm wrong and they are right, has replied to what was a genuine question. Even you know why nobody answers you, right? As I've said before (and you've said you don't care), you'd get a lot more respect if you took time to answer questions rather than being the smug, intolerant, self righteous old man you've become.

Yet Scolari (world cup winner) struggled. Different time. i believe grants chelsea side were better than scolaris! Same players though, yeah, so maybe down to the manager?