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getting through a full nights sleep without needing to get up for a slash (he's 57 you know)

have to agree with that,except you may get some poisoned e-mail from the good folk of vladivostock.

benwell lad....yes and no. for every 20yr old you think should be able to help himself,you'll see a 6 month old child and you'll look at the parents and think "what chance has he got...i know exactly how he'll turn out" and you'll probably be right.for the 20yr old he has himself to blame, but not for the child your idea on poverty is right in absolutist terms but when a kid from cowgate sees others with flash cars and big houses,expensive hols etc he does feel the psychological effects of poverty,just like in those places you talk of it's relative to some extent.

why man mark ronaldo....just let enrique playt against him like the first half at old trafford

What would you do with my mate then? no idea......one thing i would be doing is focusing on those who could turn out that way,starting froma young age. Well that's kind of my idea, but in a different context. I would be trying to prevent another dole waller or even a future criminal/benefit cheat now rather than much earlier as you have proposed. Although I have to say though, yours makes more sense and is the correct area to work on for sure. Could we not do both though, if I can be greedy here? Remember, my mate could end up on the dole and have a kid so you could just be perpetuating the issue further down the line somewhere. Kind of like plugging one hole, only for another leak to spring elsewhere. if it was affordable maybe,but theres lots of places i'd like to see money spent first i'm afraid. Can you expand? education,give headteachers some strength in acting with the parents. pay the wages to get in teachers who have the ability to teach rather than those who see it as a cushy number. i'd rather help your mate by providing his kid with a breakfast and free school uniform(compulsary and identical to the other kids). decent after school care for those whose parents are in work. work on programmes getting the parents activly involved with the schools to engineer some pride in their community.just off the top of my head I like it and can't disagree. I'm loathe to pick on teachers because it's a tough job and a specialist job in my opinion, but if education standards are falling, then those at the top need to be asked questions of. Teaching used to be a profession, now it's a "hey, I like kids, I can do that" kind of job. The actual problem is that no-one with any sense wants to be a teacher anymore. They get f***** over all the time, it's a s*** job, you can't win, you have to deal with obnoxious little shits all day every day and that's just the parents. You get blamed for other people's (the government) f***-ups, you don't know whether you're coming or going because they're continually changing the curriculum. If exam results go up it's not because you've worked your arse off and done a fantastic job and so have the kids, it's because exams are a piece of piss nowadays. If they go down, then it's not because they're harder or the kids are just stupid knuckle-dragging ignoramuses, it's because teachers aren't doing their jobs right. All my family are in education, but there's no f****** way I'm doing it, I'd rather stack shelves!! My Mam is head of English at a rough-arse school, god knows why she stays there, she could be working at some nice school that's well financed and has kids that actually want to learn - it's not like she hasn't been offered the chance numerous times before - but she stays there because she likes making a difference. For her, getting one of her kids to read a book, or take even the slightest interest in a bit of Shakespeare, let alone through a GCSE with pass grade, is worth infinitely more than a 90% A-C pass-rate. There's not many like her out there though, especially the new teachers, I don't blame them why the f*** would you want to work in a school like that and take all the s*** my Mam has to put up with when you can go down the road and get a job at a "decent" school. There's simply not enough people who want to be teachers, for understandable reasons, so the rougher schools end up having to scrape the bottom of the barrel and pretty much employ anyone who shows an interest, that's if there is anyone, which most of the time there isn't. re-read my post. i address (though briefly) the problems you raise. people do want to teach but either the pay is too low or they get fucked about by parents,government as you say...thats why i say give the head teacher the strength/power to take them on and the only way to get the tea\chers you want is to make it worth their while (cash). for the most part i agree with you in the way things are....it needs to change if we are to try and stop the next wave of shit coming through.

What would you do with my mate then? no idea......one thing i would be doing is focusing on those who could turn out that way,starting froma young age. Well that's kind of my idea, but in a different context. I would be trying to prevent another dole waller or even a future criminal/benefit cheat now rather than much earlier as you have proposed. Although I have to say though, yours makes more sense and is the correct area to work on for sure. Could we not do both though, if I can be greedy here? Remember, my mate could end up on the dole and have a kid so you could just be perpetuating the issue further down the line somewhere. Kind of like plugging one hole, only for another leak to spring elsewhere. if it was affordable maybe,but theres lots of places i'd like to see money spent first i'm afraid. Can you expand? education,give headteachers some strength in acting with the parents. pay the wages to get in teachers who have the ability to teach rather than those who see it as a cushy number. i'd rather help your mate by providing his kid with a breakfast and free school uniform(compulsary and identical to the other kids). decent after school care for those whose parents are in work. work on programmes getting the parents activly involved with the schools to engineer some pride in their community.just off the top of my head

Ultimately I agree. But by planting good seeds, hopefully a few trees will grow to use a really naff analogy. Or better still: help my mate to a better life and you help his future kid who in the future will repay back the free ride his dad enjoyed kind of idea thanks to the benevolence of society? first thing is tell him not to have a kid till he can aford to give it the life he wants for it.

i'm president,took over in a coup,trying to be a benevolent dictator..........your mates lucky he hasnt got a hole in the back of his head.

What would you do with my mate then? no idea......one thing i would be doing is focusing on those who could turn out that way,starting froma young age. Well that's kind of my idea, but in a different context. I would be trying to prevent another dole waller or even a future criminal/benefit cheat now rather than much earlier as you have proposed. Although I have to say though, yours makes more sense and is the correct area to work on for sure. Could we not do both though, if I can be greedy here? Remember, my mate could end up on the dole and have a kid so you could just be perpetuating the issue further down the line somewhere. Kind of like plugging one hole, only for another leak to spring elsewhere. if it was affordable maybe,but theres lots of places i'd like to see money spent first i'm afraid.

What would you do with my mate then? no idea......one thing i would be doing is focusing on those who could turn out that way,starting froma young age.

he has no get up and go,isn't the sharpest tool in the box...why ? the waiveing of rent makes him £55 better off,but the council £55 worse off.no doubt you'll rattle off a few things where money can be saved or is wasted then i'll come back with a few where money should be spent or is deesperatly needed instead of giving your mate a free ride.

I said the environment can play a role, positive or negative. I do agree that essentially, it boils down to what you make of your lot. But I don't know, I think it's a two way thing regarding estates like that. I also agree it goes far deeper than that. The rot set in at some point and instead of being stabilised and reversed, it's spread and engulfed areas like that. I wouldn't be fooled by the jobs market myself like. There may seem like there are millions of jobs available but it's not so easy as that. Anyone can get a job at Burger King for example. Not a job to be sniffed at if you have zero qualifications or anything about you. But I'll take you back to an old mentality in these areas: "you would better off on the dole" I'm not saying that btw, that's how a lot of people would look at a job like Burger King, or stacking shelves, or whatever. re jobs market...that gets to a catch 22 situation,how do you make it worthwhile ? give them more money that the job is worth which in turn pushes other wages up or cutting their dole money perpetuating the lack of hope bit ? then again a lot of these kids seem to think a job like that is beneath them when quite often is it all a good few of them are capable of. (my best man is a small businessman,both in stature and company size and we read through the job applications,hilarious and frightening in turn)

just wished he'd develop an instinct for when hes in space,seemed to first touch it back whenever he was more than 30yds out no matter how much room he had. thread title should read either "fraser 0-0 liverpool" or "liverpool hammer newcastle reserves 0-0"

alan thompson on the right ?

cowgate is a great example,the buildings themselves aren't so bad,on the edge of the moor,playing fields within walking distance,even a small sports centre. if those that lived there took care or an intrest in their environment we wouldn't be having this conversation. tiburon, i think it was you before saying the people in those places have little hope. if so that is something deeper than an environmental cause,primarily parental and educational. jobs are easier to come by now than probably any time in the last 30yrs for those with the basic skills.

i actually have no answers,at times there is a dark part of me that thinks it may be easier to forget the scroats as they are too far gone and try and concentrate on their kids.

not so much racilal tensions as those between an underclass and those above it in the scheme of things. There are both those tensions, more so racial (at both ends of the color/race spectrum) in my experience, especially in Benwell and Elswick. Again, mark my words there will be big kick-offs soon. It only takes one incident to spark it all off and everywhere you look there is trouble brewing. Just to use an example off the top of my head. The complete traffic mayhem on Wednesday and Friday's on Elswick Road with the Mosque. I've been past that stretch many a time where one street in particular is blocked off due to cars. If someone had a heart attack they'd have to be carried down the street to an Ambulance which wouldn't be able to get into the street. Now imagine if that person died? A white person? The polis already operate on those days to help congestion and to also keep the peace between those going to the Mosque and residents around that area. People have been abused, cars have been scratched and fights have happened. The prevailing opinion among the white people is that if they parked their cars like that, they'd be clamped or moved by the polis. There is huge resentment brewing. Then there is the ghetto like streets in Benwell. It's a sad state of affairs because the locals have had massive immigration forced onto their doorsteps. In areas where people are being dispersed and homes demolished, when they see a black family from Africa for example getting a 5 bedroom house they resent this. They see foreigners driving around in cars, they don't work, where are they getting the money from? Things like this stoke the flames and build resentment and in worst case scenarios, sheer hatred. The BNP have activists in these areas too which will only make things worse. The whole immigration thing just highlights the total ineptness of the powers that be. But then what do they care? Most of them don't have to live there or can escape it. Wonder how the residents of Jesmond would react if all the new immigrants from Benwell and Elswick were moved to their neck of the woods. People don't want it nor need it, the areas can't cope and there isn't a thing that can be done about it. To speak up and voice concern makes you a racist. But that's the world we live in today. that really has little to do with racism though...shit parking happens in my street every day (twice i've dragged folk out the post office to shift their cars as the wife couldn't drive down let alone an ambulance and every day,no kidding there is just room to get a car through) the peple at the bottom need someone to blame

not so much racilal tensions as those between an underclass and those above it in the scheme of things.

Shows how little people understand then. The performances were being booed, the decisions, the situation. That doesn't equate to "NUFC fans want Big Sam out after 5 minutes". If anything he enjoyed more support than not and away fans always sang his name. People were shocked when he was sacked and many wondered whether it was the right thing to do. the away fans turned at wigan. and if this forum can be used as a gauge around half wanted him out and lots of the remainder wanted him gone in the summer

End of the road for Gordon Brown, hopefully. f****** hell...nationalising a bank. What a complete bollocks he is...and as for that human-badger-hybrid Alistair Darling, what a total jockey. Dismayed, I really am. still rather them than cameron and osbourne. Aye, not much of a choice really is it? Like choosing between amoebic or bacilliary dysentry. err aye,if you say so. was thinking more along the lines of a rock and a hard place.

End of the road for Gordon Brown, hopefully. f****** hell...nationalising a bank. What a complete bollocks he is...and as for that human-badger-hybrid Alistair Darling, what a total jockey. Dismayed, I really am. still rather them than cameron and osbourne.

aye,recognised that after a few reads. i did change my reply when i ralised. all owners/chairmen lie or need to "clarify" what they mean.

all chairmen/owners either lie or have to "clarify" what they meant.

and you are protesting about a board thats been in not much longer and has provided ample for the manager...fickle and you know it. you know what the problem with allardyce was....absolutly no sign or hope of improving,whats the problem with your owners who have continued to fund the manager ?>