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it all kicked off in a mcdonalds allardyce will be fucking annoyed about that,we specifically spend time monitoring fitness,blood levels etc and bartas goes to a mcydees. fined for dribbling in training,maybe 3 years for assault and affray, 4years for breaking sams fscientific fitness plan.

i wouldn't be worried about shearer as manager,sure,i'd rather a hitzfeld or hiddinck but these seem ulikely. the idea that he should prove himself at a lower level now seems archaic as the qualities needed are totally different,tactically and man mangement wise. there are plenty of quality players throughout europe who went straight in to top tier (even international) management and made good jobs out of it as they learnt from their experiences and from their managers and coaches. he would command respect and get the club pulling as one. in summary not my top choice but not as bad as some are making out.

only if it's the next 4 league games

i woudn't have been too concerned at 26points so far if i could see something to make me think there is improvement

win me over, easy. do something,doesn't have to be 4-4-2 or playing 11 players in their proper positions,not even results as results will come with performances but do anything to make me think he can improve the football club.

He may be innocent but the fact that he's been kept in tends to suggest they have a good case against him, innocent or guilty he's a prick for even being out at that time in a City centre, he's got s*** for brains. read that again..."he may be innocent but" if he's innocent he's innocent if he's not....obviously he's not

if true....only condemn after proof

why ? i had christmas day and boxing day off,back to work today. give me £1000p/w and i'll do that every year

I'll eagerly await the "big four" apart from Chelsea and most of the rest of the teams in the league going into administration then. Strange how all these people who are slating having ambiton are unable to see this is how the top 4 became the top 4, and our relative success in our recent past has also came as a result of the same thing. Do they really think you can be successful unless you try to compete at the top levels ? Quite amazing. Do you not think that it acould also be due to the fact they made astute appointments and didnt sack them as regularly as they changed their pants.? Well, are you saying we should have stuck with Dalglish ? Or Gullit, and not therefore appointed Bobby Robson when we did ? Been here before mate, the appointments arent what im scrutinizing, the 2 major responsiblities of the board are the appointment of the right manager adn the backing of the manager, for years, like the top 4 we have backied the manager, but when it comes to appointing and sticking by the right manager, we've failed miserably, and it kinda shows in the urrent gulf of class between us and the top 4. Im saying that the rotation of managers is the reason why we're behind the top4. Are you now ? The top 4 have kept the manager because they were in the top 4 wouldn't you say ....... Why is the 5th most qualified club for europe over a decade = s**** managers all the time ? Are Everton behind the top 4 because they have rotated their managers ? Moyes has been there longer than Chelsea and Liverpools current managers ....... And, do you therefore think we should have kept Dalglish and Gullit ? I tell you something, which is categoricaly correct. We can keep any manager you care to name at this club for 20 years if you like, but if the board don't match the ambition of the boards at the top 4 clubs, we will never join them. (your first point)Ok, but we were in the top 5 the last time we changed our manager. (your second point) 5th most qualified club in over a decade is such a misleading stat, stop using it. I've already said why its a misleading stat and cant be bothered to explain it all again. Nothing seems to go in with you. And they say ignorance is bliss... (your third point) No, Everton arent behind jut becasue they rotated there managers, they are behind because they dont have the same financial resources as we do. However its interesting you brought Everton up because they are the only team to break the top 4 since the top 4 became so dominant. All with a steady manager. So that kinda goes to prove my point. That despite having limited resources with a consistent manger they were able to break the top 4. Again to reiterate my point - i believe that an astute appointment needs to be stuck by, not sacked when the "cracks" seem to be appearing. Where do you think everton would be today if they sacked Moyes when he finished 11th having finished 4th the previous season? Why was SBR sacked after finishing 5th? Did they make an astute apointment to justify the decision? (your 4th point) Something of a moot point. As i believed at the time that Dalglish was a good appointment, but who is to saythat he wouldnt of been a success. The fact that he destryoed a title challengin squad was too much, so i'd agree with the sacking. It was justifiable. (your final point) I tell you something, which is categoricaly correct. We can keep changing managers for the next 20 years if you like, and if the board match the financial ambitions the top 4 clubs, we still wont join them. We've tried the "back as many managers as possible" routine, now i suggest we start backing the right man for the job and not sack him after the first apparent "decline" under his leadership. a la SBR. how is the FACT that we have qualified for europe more than any team bar 4, and have the 5th highest average league position, and have finished in the top 5 for 3 consecutive seasons for the first time in 50 years, misleading ? Really, if you want to continue your agenda, you are going to have to do better than this [although you won't change my mind unless you can change history] I see your point with the "back the managers" approach, but unfortunately, you are obviously not looking at the top teams and recognising this is how they do it themselves. Dalglish inherited a great team at Liverpool, and improved them. Who is to say that he wouldn't have done the same at Newcastle, unless - like yourself - you use hindsight. If I could use hindsight, I would have won the lottery last Saturday. I agree that we need to keep our manager if we want to build a real dynasty of a football club. However, if someone is the wrong guy, you have to make a change. You appear to be unable to see the fact that football demands a totally different sort of approach to normal business. I will refer you to my previous points, do you think we should have continued backing Dalglish and Gullitt when the confidence in them had gone ? NE5 has a point here re dalglish....brought in given,hamman,thomasson,solano. if it werent for the injuries to shearer and asprilla he'd have had a very good nucleus to build on.

is "a pack" the correct term for a group of hookers ? i belive the correct term for the particular collective noun ia a "suffolk cemetary of cheap hookers"

I'm no fan of London but when it's got up to 30,000 pissed Geordies swelling the numbers then it becomes a different place. i never really enjoy games in london that much i dislike the place that much. gloucester before cardiff was something else.

I fear we will never know. 96 was the best chance i can see us ever having in my lifetime (I am 36) We've had chances, and we'll have more. One day, we'll do it. Think how close we've come to the FA Cup or even the UEFA Cup. We'll get one of those bastards one of these days. Humiliated? Aye...Very close mate. Well, making it to the final is as close as you can get to winning without actually, well, winning. I'd rather go out in the 3rd round than see what i saw in both our recent FA cup finals. i wouldn't..the semi win V spurs was a cracking day out. The two finals were both cracking days out, as were the two semi finals we lost. On all 4 occasions the only thing that put a downer on the day was the 2 and a bit hours in the stadium didn't really enjoy the days out that much. london is horrid and wembley was an ugly old tart. the weekend for the semi debacle V manure was a weekend that will live long in my memory. (sometimes it's not just about the game)

1 team is going to win the league....do you want mid table (hopefully) mediocrity playing the present hoof and percentage stuff or playing pass and go ?

I fear we will never know. 96 was the best chance i can see us ever having in my lifetime (I am 36) We've had chances, and we'll have more. One day, we'll do it. Think how close we've come to the FA Cup or even the UEFA Cup. We'll get one of those bastards one of these days. Humiliated? Aye...Very close mate. Well, making it to the final is as close as you can get to winning without actually, well, winning. I'd rather go out in the 3rd round than see what i saw in both our recent FA cup finals. i wouldn't..the semi win V spurs was a cracking day out.

i'm gonna go off totally left field and wait for evidence before having a go.

I think that describes me quite well, tbh. na change it..too reminiscent of johnny vaughan strongbow ad's

totally different,at least in the case of bellamy as we had no-one to play wide right (where he has played before) and could play shola through the middle instead. What? As far as I can remember we had Bowyer, Ambrose, Dyer and Milner who could all play on the right and allow our best player (which was undoubtedly Bellamy at that time) to play in his proper position. I seem to remember one match when we had Shola, Bellamy, Kluivert, Robert, and Shearer all on the pitch. The fella was a mentalist, man. bowyer was playing centre mid at the time (or going throught one of his s*** spells)...dyer injured (at a guess)ambrose was s*** and i'm gonna check toonstats to see where milner was Look, I know you love Souness, but there can really be no excuse for playing Shola on the left. Even worse than playing Martins on the right. righto.....look i never made an excuse for playing shola on the left. and totally agree re martins

totally different,at least in the case of bellamy as we had no-one to play wide right (where he has played before) and could play shola through the middle instead. What? As far as I can remember we had Bowyer, Ambrose, Dyer and Milner who could all play on the right and allow our best player (which was undoubtedly Bellamy at that time) to play in his proper position. I seem to remember one match when we had Shola, Bellamy, Kluivert, Robert, and Shearer all on the pitch. The fella was a mentalist, man. bowyer was playing centre mid at the time (or going throught one of his shit spells)...dyer injured (at a guess)ambrose was shit and i'm gonna check toonstats to see where milner was

totally different,at least in the case of bellamy as we had no-one to play wide right (where he has played before) and could play shola through the middle instead. What? As far as I can remember we had Bowyer, Ambrose, Dyer and Milner who could all play on the right and allow our best player (which was undoubtedly Bellamy at that time) to play in his proper position. I seem to remember one match when we had Shola, Bellamy, Kluivert, Robert, and Shearer all on the pitch. The fella was a mentalist, man. Fulham at home when we lost 1-4 wasnt it? and was Jenas right back for most the game? due to injury wasn't it ? not a real tactical brainwave but a forced move

yes the players have to take a look at themselves but when the manager sends out teams like allardyce has you have to think someone else could do better with the tools at his disposal (every pun intended). in the same way we can look at two different squads and rate them we all have opinions on certain players (beye can cover a number of positions where as owen i'd only play up front in a two.....milner can play either side but i wouldn't play n'zogbia on the right) so it then falls on the manager if he fucks up. with roeder and souness (who both had horrific injury lists to contebd with....which the latter didn't help himself with)i could see what they were trying until the death throws of their respective terms...........with allardyce i'm at a complete loss.

pass and move when you have the ball organised when the oppo have the ball a simple game made complicated.

totally different,at least in the case of bellamy as we had no-one to play wide right (where he has played before) and could play shola through the middle instead.

I didn't see anything in his body language to suggest that he was expecting the sack, I'm not sure what you could see. Why would he expect the sack when our league campaign was no worse than the couple before and had finished the season in a reasonable league position? there was a massive difference between the season the 2 seasons. yes we finished in a reasonable league position but like the mackems under peter reid you could feel the tide change, they kept him when all the fans knew change was needed,we did the same with robson. he should have gone at the end of the season.

sounds like viz to me. shearer as manager with a 90's pop band as the assistant. (mind you gwen stefani stupid hair will take a back seat to alan smith's)

re libertines success and stability thing. if those managers you quoted had seen no improvement in their teams in half a season they may not have been allowed to stay. there is anargument to be made that success brings stability,not the other way round.