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Fuckin hell Villa!

Get in there

We are walking around stanley park like idiots. Any good pubs for toon fans.

Pubs?

Think that was for financial reasons. They were one of the best teams in the league before then. I went to see them in the Hungarian Cup Final in 2005. Got beat 5-1 off Matav Sopron and had two men sent off which was funny. Sopron dont even exist anymore. The Ferencvaros fans were monkey chanting their own black player. http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v3354/38/124/666997914/n666997914_2519675_7478034.jpg

smith trying to do the essien shadow job? he'd be off the pitch within minutes Probably! Think somebody needs to try though as thats about the only way to stop him short of busting the cunt.

Get Smith to follow Gerrard around all day and make his life hell. Get Bassong to crunch Torres early doors. And someone else to stop Alonso.

Pre-match pubs?

have you had a look round this place for that sort of delusion. do your own thinking, don't let the sun do it for you. He's probably one of those plastic Liverpool fans from up here who still buys The Sun.

Where abouts on the A1? Probably try and avoid it if possible.

Ive heard of loads of mackems that will be in the away end tonight. Sad cunts!

I can't wait for this game now. Make or break. I think we will either demolish them or get beat 2-0 with a shocking performance.

To be fair, this kind of shit is everywhere. People are desperate for us to go down and people that have nothing to do with us or any of our rivals totally hate us. I quite like it to be fair. The "everyones second team" shite was a bit annoying. Heres an example from tonight: http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=105640

When you go to Anfield, you go in the Everton pubs near Goodison and vice versa. Ah right. Good stuff. Cheers

Martins against Villa was good. Great run and assist from Jonas.

I was going to start a similar thread about Liverpool next weekend. Havent been to Liverpool atall before so don't really know where away fans go. My mate has suggested parking at Goodison then walking to pubs around Anfield. I would assume they were all home pubs though? And is the city centre better?

now then toonlass........are you aware that Allardyce was touted as an England manager when we appointed him ? Is that ambitious enough for you ? Or are you a hindsight person, or even a Keegan bandwagon jumper that thinks mediocrity is halfway in the premiership ? Which asks the question. If the previous board were so s****, how come the people before and after them got nowhere near matching them, despite the Halls and Shepherd having so little ambition in comparison ? The last few years of Shepherd we were running along the same sort of positions we were getting in the mid to late 1980s.

examples ? Remember, Toonlass, Blefescu made up something about me the other day ..... hot on the heels of accusing me of doing precisely the same thing when I hadn't. My last post is still correct, and how I see it Dave. None of the quotes in my sig are made up either BTW That is wrong and you know it. You have continually made insinuations about me and how long I have been going to the games. You could also attempt to spell my user name right too. For your information I have enclosed a link which explains what being a troll on the internet is. This makes no insinuation that anyone is one on here, its just to clear up any misunderstandings on what a troll may be. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trolling As I asked further down, please point out where I said "the last year of the Shepherd and Hall era was brilliant". Or admit that its a lie, or an untruth at best. Precisely the point I'm making. I hope nobody asks us to settle this by pm when you blocked me for attempting to do it already ........ http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,60869.msg1772415.html#msg1772415 It is the assumption you give. Shepherd and Hall could do no wrong. I apologise if I misconstrued you. And you know I didn't block you for attempting to explain anything at all typical woman. You know you did. As I've said on numerous occasions they made mistakes, particularly when I was one of the minority on here who refused to give Souness time [just like Ashley in fact].....this point you make is mistaken too. I'll take it as an unintentional untruth and won't hold it against you. I know I did what? Blocked you? Of course I know I blocked you. As you were sending me pm's that were telling me to "bugger off". Did you think that Shepherd and Hall appointing Roeder and Allardyce was ambitious? I told you to bugger off because you denied you were lying, when I quoted the exact phrase above. You have stated that "no, I don't think the performance was average at all in the bigger scheme of things" when asked about the final years of Sir John Hall and Shepherd's tenure. I have already apologised for using the phrase "brilliant" but how can you not see that part of the reason we are in the situation we are in now is because SJH and Shepherd overspent buying players who were not up to the standard we required to keep qualifying for Europe? it wasn't up to them to make the judgement on the players. They backed their manager, a lot better than not. The result of that is to look at the league table. Sooooo did you think that Shepherd and Hall appointing Roeder and Allardyce was ambitious? As ambitious as Chelsea appointing Grant ? Or is it just us who don't appoint the 2 or 3 winning managers ? Didn't Grant get them to the Champions League final? eerr.......didn't Roeder get us to 7th and qualify for europe ? Slight difference between us getting into Europe via the Intertoto Cup and getting beat by AZ, and getting to the Champions League final though, no? I tried to pm you, rather than go off topic. How is that off topic? Was it ambitious, a yes or no will do? so thats why you think the Halls and Shepherd are s*** ? Because they didn't get to the Champions League Final ? No, that's another bad assumption on your part. Care to answer my question, its not that hard you know. no it isn't. I think its a totally realistic and correct perspective. What do you think of a board who qualifies for europe more than any club bar 4 ? Does it mean you think only 4 clubs have good boards ? Thats a fairly simple enough question. Great, as long as its not living beyond a clubs means. i.e. Leeds got further in Europe than anyone outside the top 4 in Europe during the last 20 years, but they couldn't afford it when the inevitable happened and they failed to qualify one year. Thats off topic though. Remember the words, LOST THE PLOT. I'm not really interested in Leeds. I'd rather keep trying to emulate the likes of Liverpool and Arsenal. After all, if you don't do that, whats the point ? Settling for mediocrity ? We are heading the way of Leeds now though. Thats what Leeds were trying to do as well, keep up with Arsenal and Liverpool. I wouldnt settle for mediocrity, I would have picked a manager who was good enough to take a team who had just finished 5th forward. Picking Souness, then Roeder was settling for mediocrity. We are heading the same way as Leeds, you're right.

Looks nice. Not bothered about the back either.

5 or 6 more please Man Utd.

examples ? Remember, Toonlass, Blefescu made up something about me the other day ..... hot on the heels of accusing me of doing precisely the same thing when I hadn't. My last post is still correct, and how I see it Dave. None of the quotes in my sig are made up either BTW That is wrong and you know it. You have continually made insinuations about me and how long I have been going to the games. You could also attempt to spell my user name right too. For your information I have enclosed a link which explains what being a troll on the internet is. This makes no insinuation that anyone is one on here, its just to clear up any misunderstandings on what a troll may be. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trolling As I asked further down, please point out where I said "the last year of the Shepherd and Hall era was brilliant". Or admit that its a lie, or an untruth at best. Precisely the point I'm making. I hope nobody asks us to settle this by pm when you blocked me for attempting to do it already ........ http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,60869.msg1772415.html#msg1772415 It is the assumption you give. Shepherd and Hall could do no wrong. I apologise if I misconstrued you. And you know I didn't block you for attempting to explain anything at all typical woman. You know you did. As I've said on numerous occasions they made mistakes, particularly when I was one of the minority on here who refused to give Souness time [just like Ashley in fact].....this point you make is mistaken too. I'll take it as an unintentional untruth and won't hold it against you. I know I did what? Blocked you? Of course I know I blocked you. As you were sending me pm's that were telling me to "bugger off". Did you think that Shepherd and Hall appointing Roeder and Allardyce was ambitious? I told you to bugger off because you denied you were lying, when I quoted the exact phrase above. You have stated that "no, I don't think the performance was average at all in the bigger scheme of things" when asked about the final years of Sir John Hall and Shepherd's tenure. I have already apologised for using the phrase "brilliant" but how can you not see that part of the reason we are in the situation we are in now is because SJH and Shepherd overspent buying players who were not up to the standard we required to keep qualifying for Europe? it wasn't up to them to make the judgement on the players. They backed their manager, a lot better than not. The result of that is to look at the league table. Sooooo did you think that Shepherd and Hall appointing Roeder and Allardyce was ambitious? As ambitious as Chelsea appointing Grant ? Or is it just us who don't appoint the 2 or 3 winning managers ? Didn't Grant get them to the Champions League final? eerr.......didn't Roeder get us to 7th and qualify for europe ? Slight difference between us getting into Europe via the Intertoto Cup and getting beat by AZ, and getting to the Champions League final though, no? I tried to pm you, rather than go off topic. How is that off topic? Was it ambitious, a yes or no will do? so thats why you think the Halls and Shepherd are s*** ? Because they didn't get to the Champions League Final ? No, that's another bad assumption on your part. Care to answer my question, its not that hard you know. no it isn't. I think its a totally realistic and correct perspective. What do you think of a board who qualifies for europe more than any club bar 4 ? Does it mean you think only 4 clubs have good boards ? Thats a fairly simple enough question. Great, as long as its not living beyond a clubs means. i.e. Leeds got further in Europe than anyone outside the top 4 in Europe during the last 20 years, but they couldn't afford it when the inevitable happened and they failed to qualify one year. Thats off topic though. Remember the words, LOST THE PLOT.

When someone mentions Shepherds last few years you ask questions about Ashley as if the people critisising Shepherd are in turn sticking up for Ashley. That's a perfect example amoung many.

I know some Man Utd glory hunters who got tickets through Berwick Rangers once. Berwick arent even in the FA of England but still managed to get some. Not sure if it was because they're also members of the Northumberland FA, but they certainly don't enter the FA Cup. Joke to be fair.

I take it you mean me, because I disagree with you ? Who is right and who is wrong then ? doh To me, the trolls are those who still defend Ashley and are still convinced the Halls and Shepherd were s****, surely the penny ought to have dropped by now. Anyway, tell you what mate, ignore me and I won't reply to you ? Do you just deliberatly ignore people and read what you want to read? I can't see anyone defending Ashley. You like to set this arguement up as Ashley v Shepherd, when it isnt that. Critisism of Shepherd is not automatically support for Ashley. If being a good chairman was as easy as spending the clubs money and borrowing to back your manager who is in charge purely because of luck, then most people would be able to do it. Theres alot more to it than that. You know this but you're too far along the line now to admit it. People say I'm a troll, just because I disagree with them, right ? If people now accept that Ashley has been s****, and worse than the Halls and Shepherd, why not say so instead of continuing to attack the Halls and Shepherd for giving us our best league positions in 50 years, achieved because they backed their managers . If Ashley had backed Keegan, he would still be here and I have no doubt at all we would be pushing for a place in europe. Instead, he has gone and we are in the s***, because he didn't back his manager. Get some perspective. I don't want to patronise, but this is really so simple. Ive actually said that Shepherd was better than Ashley, even in Shepherds last few terrible years, but that doesnt get away from the fact he had lost the plot post 2004. they made a terrible appointment in Souness [which again, numerous people backed to succeed, and spend the money that he did], but it doesn't change the fact that their basic idea of how success is gained was correct. The basic idea in my opinion is appointing a good manager to spend that money. Whereas you think managerial success is down to luck. Liverpool ended up with Benitez, Villa with O'Neill, and we got Souness and Roeder. That isnt luck in my opinion. Well, it isn't you or me who chooses the managers. What do you think of Chelsea appointing Grant and Scolari and sacking them both after short periods ? Unlucky ? And what do you think of all the clubs who haven't qualified for europe as often as we did ? Unlucky ? Get real mate. Get some perspective. I'm not taking the piss, this is perspective. Nobody appoints winning managers all the time, its impossible, and I bet that when Wenger and Ferguson leave their respective clubs, mistakes will be made at those clubs too. so you were ok with appointing kinnear ? not my decision. But he didn't back him, just like Keegan. He can appoint anybody he likes, but if he doesn't give him the tools to do the job properly, then it won't get done properly. It won't get done properly if you appoint a s*** manager either. Who is spending the money is as important giving them money. aye sure. Abramovic must be a right tit appointing someone like Scolari, how did they not get it right every time, just like everybody else does ? Have you thought about sending an email to the owners of all the 87 clubs that didn't qualify for europe as oftern as we did telling them that they shouldn't be appointing the wrong manager so often ? Sorry like, but there isn't any other way to get this message across. He wasn't a 'right tit', but he made a mistake. He then sorted it out and appointed someone brilliant to replace him. Lets not kid ourselves though, Scolari was a far far better manager for Chelsea than Souness ever was for us. He still kept them in the top four when he was there. Souness destroyed us. People don't always get it right, but they don't get it much more wrong than Shepherd did. Not once, but twice with Roeder as well. There are more than 4 clubs who have appeared more than us in Europe since 2004 by the way. And most of the 80 other odd didnt start off that period of time as the 5th best club in England. you mean Abramovic made 2 mistakes, and didn't settle for mediocrity. Unlike Mike Ashley, who will gladly take mid table mediocrity as a success ? I'm not talking about 2004, if you do, you are cherry picking. Its like you saying that Shearer was s*** for missing a couple of penalties. Clearly bollocks. Would you have replaced him with Ameobi on that basis ? Having said that, plenty of people said they would His mistakes were no where near as bad as Shepherds though and Chelsea still sit in roughly the same place. Im not defending Ashley so no idea why you brought him up. Its not cherry picking atall. Ive stated over and over that Shepherd lost the plot. You don't seem to understand the simple concept of someone losing the plot. People can be good, then lose the plot. You just can't seem to understand this. Its ridiculous. I fully expect a reply which mentions something from before Shepherd lost the plot, or something about Ashley both of which are totally irrelevant to my points.