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Because the man can select a winning team, is tactically astute, has motivational skills, can actually coach a side and has a game plan to win games? There's so much more to the job than being good at buying players.

But why do you think the solution to that problem is to give 100% control of transfers to a new manager? I mean had we just changed and given full control to Pardew does that fix things? We don't bring in those players he ruined, no instead we bring in utter fucking dross. Surely the better solution is to find a man who is a talented tactician, can motivate players, can coach a good style of play and has a Footballing philosophy that matches Carr.

The point being that a bloke with hardly any influence, with his PR wings completely clipped and an inability to rely on support from those bellends above him means it's a role that cannot work. Can you imagine a Keegan or SBR accepting that they could only talk about x, y or z? Could you imagine either of them having to ask somebody to find them a player please? Accepting whichever player the club thought appropriate? They were the only managers in my lifetime who 'got' the club. Take engagement and influence way from them and they're no better or worse than anyone else. My point is that this whole system, which is designed for and driven by financial return, is bound for failure. Aye that's great if you find a Keegan or Robson, but not if you get a Dalglish, Souness, Allardyce, Roeder, Gullit ect. There's nowt at all wrong with the concept of a head coach as long as you go for a man who's Footballing philosophy is in line with the key people he's working with on transfers. We all know that our transfer policy has problems in that we are too focused on resale value. But you don't need to completely change the setup and bring in a traditional manager to fix that.

What does any on this have to do with a head coach setup vs a traditional manager? I'm honestly not sure what your point really is here. If Ashley and co was bringing in a traditional manager how would that improve our situation?

They overruled Pardew because his players wouldn't appreciate in value. My point is that, of the 3 cogs in the transfer wheel, the coach is the smallest and least influential. 1. Will the signing be cheap/damaged goods.......or have potential for huge upside? 2. Does he tick the box age-wise? There will be no question of do we need him (Colback/Gosling etc) nor whether the coach actually see's a use for him. If the kid can play and have the chance to make the club money, then he'll fucking play, whether the coach likes it or not. Pardews suggested signings had no value to begin with, neither financially or as players. Are you actually saying we should have signed Bent, Sidwell ect? Also your last sentence is quite clearly rubbish. How many of our new players did Pardew sit on the bench/ruin?, he was never forced to field any player we signed. If bringing in a head coach that agrees with/appreciates the kind of player we sign and plays them makes him a yes man then give me a yes man please..

Of course, everyone gets dementia or dies the moment they pass 70

WAT. Koeman has the exact same "constraints" as any incoming head coach would do as did Pochettino did before him, the only difference being as they actually are good coaches so they were able to develop the players they had. This may be foreign to you but not every manager is Redknapp, for example Ancelotti has very little say at Madrid. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2915933/Ronald-Koeman-s-smart-Southampton-signings-help-Saints-fly-says-Jose-Fonte.html Are you suggesting Koeman didn't have a huge influence in many of these signings? How many articles talk about Pardews astute signings, you know Perez, Janmaat ect.. I'm sure Koeman had a say, the new man here is supposed to have a say as well, but he won't make the final decision.

In your opinion the majority of managers/coaches outside of Premier League Football are yes men? I'm not backing Charnley's comments BTW because its just PR and I wouldn't put much stock at all in it. But being prepared to work in a system were you do not have absolute control over everything does not make someone a yes man.

One game played between now and the end of January.

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Aye definitely.

Nah, surely he does more than just record the data, anyone could do that, he must give some kind of evaluation based on that data. I mean no doubt the piece of shit who interprets it (he who must not be named) has a big say in how its used, but I'm sure this bloke did more than just record raw data and pass it on.

Garde's still my first choice, like the sound of everything I've read about him and he could be a real long term solution. As much as Laudrup's a good coach and had Swansea playing nice Football he never stays anywhere for more than a season or two. I'd certainly be happy with him, but not my first choice.

He's just a troll.

To be fair we're the people currently suffering and being told we're deluded, for not wanting to continue that suffering, by a bunch of ignorant twats. Aye some fans on the internet certainly don't represent every fan of that club. But when all you see are a bunch of clueless opinionated pricks trying to tell you they know better and calling you all sorts based purely on their own vile ignorance its pretty hard not to wish them the same fate they claim we should be happy with.

Aye Hull are fucking disgusting.

Pardew would still be here as well.

Heard people claiming West Ham now play better Football and "Big Sam" has adjusted to a new way of playing, not based on today's match so far like, horrendous.

They've already had the likes of Hull, Everton, Swansea and Stoke at home this season and they've won a grand total of 1 game at home so far (out of 11 games). Defoe's going to have to have a huge impact if they're to start winning enough to stay up easily.

2 wins in their last 15 and one of those was their obligatory win over us, think Burnley will beat them personally. Still probably get another 3 points off us if Carver is still here though and manage to escape again.

Sunderland's form is even worse than ours, not a chance they're getting 8 points more than us from the rest of the season. If the Pardew derby curse is broken they may not win another game this season.

At one point be was one of the best I've ever seen at the club. But thats been tarnished somewhat by him wanting to leave and claims that he was one of the senior players behind removing the likes of Ben Arfa from the club. Just from what I've heard he never seems to stand up and be counted (or at least not for the better of the team) despite being the captain. Fair enough some of its only heresay, but its been repeated so often (and to my memory never contradicted in any info I've heard or read) that personally I believe it. At this point I'd be happy if he'd just leave for that Argentine club he wanted to play for in the summer and have nothing more to do with the club. Assuming we actually decide to buy a first team center back..

I would fucking love Pardew to get the England job, see how the rest of the country likes it!

Aye might as well execute the lad, wasn't a world beater this week...

Less hopeless booting it forward from the back.