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Of course it matters, one situation is a Football club being able to spend because they generate big money from being am extremely successful Football club. The other is a club who are able to spend simply because some bloke decided he fancied playing Football manager in real life. One is the way it should be, the other will destroy the game completely. I'm not saying I like Man Utd, I think they're a bunch of spoilt cunts and I think there is bias towards them from all corners in the game. However I don't think anyone has a leg to stand on when complaining about them spending the money they make from their own success..

That's my worry - if people like Martins say that they aren't happy, I wouldn't be surprised if Ashley just said okay well off you go then. He'd tell them to stay until the new owner is in, he gains nothing from selling players, it just devalues his asset and risks relegation which would effectively destroy his investment completely.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/football/article43031.ece As if he's going to try to sell players to cut costs when the clubs up for sale News of the world, where logic and sense go to die.

I wouldn't say that's a bargain actually. Considering they're £110 million in debt losing £20 million a season and will soon have to pay out around £30 million because of Tevez.

We certainly don't know exactly what everyone's role was, especially in Wise's case. However we know that Jimenez was not a scout, its just that the Journal and Gazzette haven't got a clue what they're talking about, big news there then.

I know he's good, but can he play on both wings?! He can do it! Maetihs saw him do it in that DVD he had!

Anyone know which paper they're referring too?

Nail on the head. Who do the idiots found us our best signings of the summer? FFS man, Keegans way too loved in these parts. Coloccini was hardly a "find". I'm not saying he's s****, just that he was already well known and often linked with a move to England. Jonas could be a decent legacy of Jimenez, but one decent find doesn't make the guy a transfer guru. He didn't find anyone! For the last time Jimenez was not a scout and has little knowledge of players, he's a deal closer, a negotiator. Fine then he helped secure our best players this summer. So who found us these players? He also helped us miss out on a hell of a lot of players, Jeff Vetere is the person mainly responsible for finding our players. I assume you mean Modric. Who else? I could name specific players like Modric, Aimar, Warnock but I'm sure there were quite a few more. Didn't say it was all his fault BTW, it would be silly to blame him for every player we missed out on. Just saying that if people are going to give him credit for the players we signed then he's also partially responsible for the ones we missed out on.

Where's the evidence that this guy knew what he was doing? The man was brought in to do the job he's been doing for years, to get us contact with clubs around the world for players around the world and get them signed. It was a well known fact before he came to us he had the names of all the important people in football and could call upon most. He was a powerful agent. Yeah he's no scout and wouldn't be able to pick out a player but I've no doubt he could get them to sign and sign for a decent deal. It's what agents do best. I know what he's supposed to do and I've heard all the "big contacts" stuff, which isn't a fact actually but its neither here nor there. To be clear I haven't claimed Jimenez has done a bad job, who knows why we failed to sign certain players, might have been his fault, might have been other issues out of his control. What I am saying is that I see no real evidence to suggest that him going is any real loss. I've been impressed with some of the signings we've made, but I credit Vetere for most of those.

Nail on the head. Who do the idiots found us our best signings of the summer? FFS man, Keegans way too loved in these parts. Coloccini was hardly a "find". I'm not saying he's s****, just that he was already well known and often linked with a move to England. Jonas could be a decent legacy of Jimenez, but one decent find doesn't make the guy a transfer guru. He didn't find anyone! For the last time Jimenez was not a scout and has little knowledge of players, he's a deal closer, a negotiator. Fine then he helped secure our best players this summer. So who found us these players? He also helped us miss out on a hell of a lot of players, Jeff Vetere is the person mainly responsible for finding our players.

I was actually looking for the post regarding the club meeting fans representatives, as I'd been thinking how that had been short-lived and now instead of meeting with fans to hear their points of view and concerns they have a lynch mob masquerading as an official supporters club. How the f*** does all matters relating to the first team not include making the final decision on what first team players to sign though? Wise can assist as much as he likes with recruiting the players but the manager should have been selecting the players to recruit IMO. So you mean to so Keegan had no say whatsoever on player recruitment? He either did or he didnt, theres no grey area in this becasue Keegans principles are so strong, right? Er no I don't mean that, the fact that I didn't say that should have tipped you off. I'm saying that being responsible for all matters relating to the first team means having full control over everything that relates to the first team, including deciding on which first team players to sign. How can you be held responsible for something you're not given full control over?

Nail on the head. Who do the idiots found us our best signings of the summer? FFS man, Keegans way too loved in these parts. Coloccini was hardly a "find". I'm not saying he's shite, just that he was already well known and often linked with a move to England. Jonas could be a decent legacy of Jimenez, but one decent find doesn't make the guy a transfer guru. He didn't find anyone! For the last time Jimenez was not a scout and has little knowledge of players, he's a deal closer, a negotiator.

But nobody's claiming they know exactly what he did on a case by case basis are they? I assumed you must have meant the opinion on his general duties at the club. With some claiming he spotted players, when in fact his job was to complete transfers.

We should offer him a lump sum that comes to a significant portion of the remainder of his contract, hopefully he'll take it and fuck off, and not a moment too soon.

We do know what he did, for the last time he was there as a negotiator to complete transfers.

Like I said before the start of the season, we should have done everything possible to get rid of the fat fuck. It doesn't matter how effective a player is on the pitch if he's never on it, total waste of space.

His role was to complete transfers.

I was actually looking for the post regarding the club meeting fans representatives, as I'd been thinking how that had been short-lived and now instead of meeting with fans to hear their points of view and concerns they have a lynch mob masquerading as an official supporters club. How the fuck does all matters relating to the first team not include making the final decision on what first team players to sign though? Wise can assist as much as he likes with recruiting the players but the manager should have been selecting the players to recruit IMO.

Where's the evidence that this guy knew what he was doing?

Not sure how everyone is getting this so wrong, Jimenez doesn't find players, he's just a negotiator/deal maker. Vetere is the person with the knowledge of players, he's the man who identified the likes of Bassong, Jimenez's job would simply be to try to make the deal happen. Wether he's done a good job or not I'm not so sure, we missed out on quite a few players and ended up short in a lot of positions. Wether that was his fault or Wise's or even someone elses who knows, but I certainly wouldn't say there's much evidence that he's done a good job so I'm not sad to see him go. You almost dared to say "Keegan" there. Nah it was Ashkey who was on the tip of my tongue there not Keegan.

Not sure how everyone is getting this so wrong, Jimenez doesn't find players, he's just a negotiator/deal maker. Vetere is the person with the knowledge of players, he's the man who identified the likes of Bassong, Jimenez's job would simply be to try to make the deal happen. Wether he's done a good job or not I'm not so sure, we missed out on quite a few players and ended up short in a lot of positions. That probably wasn't all his fault as he doesn't make the final decision on who to sign (that would be Wise it seems), but I certainly wouldn't say there's much evidence that he's done a good job so I'm not sad to see him go.

A table based on opinion.. wow how worthwhile

I think the two of them have had the same argument with others and have probably just get sick of repeating themselves, I don't think you're the problem, it's probably just the number of times they've said it. Yeah ok that's probably it, still, wish they could just have discussed it. They could even have changed my mind then as I'm perfectly open to a reasonable argument. Anyway I'm sorry I even brought it up now! I won't continue it anyway, I'm still interested to hear there views on Ashley's time here, but I'm not going to even entertain any more bickering.

I can post exactly what you just posted in reference to your words and we can both go on indefinately discounted what the other person says as just words that mean nothing, sound fun? Or you could get past the childish behaviour and actually enter into a discussion. The point I was making is that I did not say it was impossible for a club to lose value. Just that the risk of something that would drop the value (relegation) was insignificant when Ashley arrived (yes what I said was mainly in reference to NUFC, not all of Football).

Chez and Liam O do know what they are talking about, it's what they are paid to do. I didn't say anything about what they know or don't know about business finance. Unlike them I'm willing to actually argue my point rather then posting such pearls as "you don't know what you're talking about", wow you've changed my mind then My view is that Ashley seems like quite a risk taker at times, but when it came to NUFC he really wasn't willing to take anything but the minimum of risk. You know if someone disagrees with that then I'd really appreciate them posting there views on Ashley's time here. That would be for more constructive and interesting then cheap insults or throw away lines about who does or doesn't know what they're talking about. You seem to be the only person able to discuss something.