Northern Monkey

Yes, having the loudest fans is defiatley enough to make us a great side.

You don't watch, never mind go to, the games, do you.

All those who did the "shit performance against Bolton; firts game, doesn't count.....can't count Arsenal, cup game.......can't count Arsenal, big club.....judge us against Boro, and Villa etc" thing - hmmmm. We aren't a big club, we aren't a top 4 club, but now it looks like we aren't a top 6 club either. Too many of the players ("Barton he's class"...."you don't get to be Lyon's captain by being shit") are not good enough, the managerial appointment was a mistake, and the fella in charge of new talent is a very very average lower league manager. We are not going to be troubling the big boys for a while, i fear.

Defensively no but I thought we passed it quite well at points today. Bartons vision was only beaten in the race to be the shittest thing by his passing.

Based on what evidence, exactly?

I don't agree, he's looked shit at best I was being kind, for the "he's class, Barton" idiots.

Vastly over rated. Has looked medicore at best, for us, ever.

Roy Keane has done little to boost performance on the pitch, in comparisonto the money he has wasted.

Milner is - in my opinion - good enough to play in a top 6/7 team. As this is the level to which we should be aspiring, i think we should keep him. i find it interesting that many NUFC fans (some who only seem to watch games on the TV, often only highlights) seem to feel it appropriate to slate a player, whilst "bigging up" others who have hardly even played yet as definately brilliant.

Ya...voted twice on the pfas team of the year [2002+2006]with such a s*** defence in front of him as well!!I think thats our fans mentality...dying for a chance to shoot the players down..needs to stop!Name the keeper you would prefer to have here who we could sign n place of Given? name the keeper we could sign? what the f*** does that have to do with whether or not Given is a brilliant keeper? Well...you said Givens only an average keeper so I presume you would prefer a different keeper? of course i would i'd also prefer a different striker to Owen and a different DM to Butt In fairness, we have only one player who i'd REALLY want to keep, and only a handful i'd keep if we were a top 6 club. As for tomorrows game: i think we might scrape a 1-1 draw, as Villa seem slightly subdued recently. This woudl be a good result for us, i reckon.

I think that's what he'll do too. Especially since I saw an article recently where he was saying he loves living in the countryside in the north west, doesn't miss London at all and has family in Lancashire. I reckon he will wait for United or Liverpool to make a move. He could live in Surrey if he signed for Chelsea or Hertfordshire if he re-joined Arsenal. Both them countys are where the training grounds are & have great countryside. I would bet the mortgage on him not going to Arsenal. Wenger won't spend £12-15m on a player he developed and let go for buttons. I don't think he'd want to go back either. He said recently how he didn't like the atmosphere at the club and didn't enjoy going to training etc Don't see a place for him at Chelsea really. Unless they sell SWP just as he's starting to perform consistently for them. I dont see him joining Man Utd or Liverpool because of the Lancashire countryside. I'm not convinced that what someone is supposed to have said in an article should REALLY be taken as gospel.

so it must be true?

It's actually the opposite. Many people overrate him because he's a Geordie (albeit a Cockney one). One of the blocks he made he shouldn't have had to, if he was awake and marking like he should've done in the first place. And yet Faye, who has doen that sort of thing at least as much as Taylor this season, if not more, is lauded as a "beast", and a top player. Odd.

Yes if KK would play our best player in their best positions and that they would stay fit, and pot a good system in play. Keegan is the Messiah, but even his powers aren't enough to get this group of players into the top 6. Truth.

Smith creates very very little, though. If we are happy pretending that our second striker doesn't have to score goals (although this puts a fucking ridiculous amount of pressure on the other striker, as you'd want 25 goals from the front pair, ideally), then he MUST create chances for the main striker. But although Smith wins some headers, etc, he's shit at actually directing them anywhere. I don't know why we persist withthe myth that Smith is a good enough player, just waiting to be given his "right" position. He's been crap in every position he's played for us, with three (from memory) decent halves in total so far.

9 league starts, and Faye is "class". But Beye, who has started more than half as many games again, you have not seen enough of. Weird.

So is Alves tbh. Not as much as Viduka.

Did you like the way he jumped like a fat leprechaun's grandmother for Boro's goal? He is an old, useless player who has no business in this league. We are the only ones daft enough to employee him. I have my doubts about whether he'd even end up at a Championship club if we cut him loose. whats he done wrong that other players have done better? hes been our best defender in the past few games just people hate him from the past so much they dont realise, a bit like shola, before hes even started to play everyone libs the fucker Like Shola, people just know he's shit.

i cant complain about people complaining? the difference is i'm trying to do something constructive that will HELP the club, you know, support? dont mention ticket prices to me, if you consider it too expensive dont pay and dont go, its not like paying to see a band, you're not guaranteed anything in sport and people need to remember this, you're exactly the sort of person i'm fighting against. I don't personally boo, but how do you suggest fans, who go to the game and - rightly - feel let down, get across the point to the manager and players that some players simply should not be playing for us, and that certain performances are not acceptable? thats a very good point, i've often wondered that myself, we seem to have a group of people in charge of the club now who are more open to discussion, with mort meeting various fans and people from message boards etc. there could and maybe should be a way to do that, but the fact of the matter is i dont imagine kevin keegans gonna start taking tips from us, do you? there was obviously the episode with him explaining about selling cole and he does seem a manager who's more open to talking with fans than others, but i feel pretty sure he knows more about managing newcastle than any of us, with maybe the exception of having not seen our current players play as much as we have. this is where faith comes in, i think for various reasons a lot of us have lost faith in our club, having been continually let down, its understandable. but if we're gonna put our faith in anyone then surely keegan's as good as anyone? dont we even trust HIM anymore? i dont expect everyone to applaud every single thing we do, or pretend nicky butt isnt shit, i just think booing is pointless negativity, totally pointless, dont you think keegan knows who's not been on top of their game and who needs to improve? it all just comes back to having faith in him, or anyone, to do the job. the booing under allardyce, as much as i hated it, wasnt surprising, thats why i didnt make this thread until now, i just really dont want to see us go to the point of no return where its acceptable to boo at half time and the end if we're not winning, never mind losing, thats not support, doesnt matter how anyone dresses it up. Not saying you're wrong, but i would hate for us to be a club where the fans applauded mediocrity, and didn't put pressure on players to perform. If we are to buy the stuff about the "twelth man" and how our support is important, and be given that responsibility, then we shoudl also be able to vent our frustration in some way, should we feel it.I don't believe for one second that the club would benefit from us, as fans, smling inanely and furiously applauding the likes of Geremi and Ameobi for being crap. yeah i know i agree with you mate neither do i, do you consider booing to be constructive? not spoiling for an argument btw, genuinely interested as you seem like an intelligent enough guy I don't think booing is constructive per se - but in context, i understand it. When there has been a rank performance (Derby, for example), I completely support the right of any of our fans to boo. I don't think that solely playing for us shoudl make a player immune from criticism, or that the team as a whole shoudl be utouchable just because its NUFC. HOWEVER, i do believe it has a time and place, even in these circumstances - after a game, not during. Although i reserve my right to shout during the game, be it positive or negative, because its still about passion and feeling.

Yeah, I can see how being a great player would make you think he'd be a decent scout. Well I didn't say that. Learn to read man, ain't you english? Oh, sorry. What were you basing your statement that you thought he would be a decent scout on? Do you have soem other experience or knowledge of him, other than that you used to like him as a player when you watched him on TV?

Carr hasn't been class. He's been acceptbale - i.e. less utter wank than normal. Jesus, we have to take our heads out of our arses, we look fucking stupid when we big players up just cos they play for us, when its shit like Carr.

i cant complain about people complaining? the difference is i'm trying to do something constructive that will HELP the club, you know, support? dont mention ticket prices to me, if you consider it too expensive dont pay and dont go, its not like paying to see a band, you're not guaranteed anything in sport and people need to remember this, you're exactly the sort of person i'm fighting against. I don't personally boo, but how do you suggest fans, who go to the game and - rightly - feel let down, get across the point to the manager and players that some players simply should not be playing for us, and that certain performances are not acceptable? thats a very good point, i've often wondered that myself, we seem to have a group of people in charge of the club now who are more open to discussion, with mort meeting various fans and people from message boards etc. there could and maybe should be a way to do that, but the fact of the matter is i dont imagine kevin keegans gonna start taking tips from us, do you? there was obviously the episode with him explaining about selling cole and he does seem a manager who's more open to talking with fans than others, but i feel pretty sure he knows more about managing newcastle than any of us, with maybe the exception of having not seen our current players play as much as we have. this is where faith comes in, i think for various reasons a lot of us have lost faith in our club, having been continually let down, its understandable. but if we're gonna put our faith in anyone then surely keegan's as good as anyone? dont we even trust HIM anymore? i dont expect everyone to applaud every single thing we do, or pretend nicky butt isnt shit, i just think booing is pointless negativity, totally pointless, dont you think keegan knows who's not been on top of their game and who needs to improve? it all just comes back to having faith in him, or anyone, to do the job. the booing under allardyce, as much as i hated it, wasnt surprising, thats why i didnt make this thread until now, i just really dont want to see us go to the point of no return where its acceptable to boo at half time and the end if we're not winning, never mind losing, thats not support, doesnt matter how anyone dresses it up. Not saying you're wrong, but i would hate for us to be a club where the fans applauded mediocrity, and didn't put pressure on players to perform. If we are to buy the stuff about the "twelth man" and how our support is important, and be given that responsibility, then we shoudl also be able to vent our frustration in some way, should we feel it.I don't believe for one second that the club would benefit from us, as fans, smling inanely and furiously applauding the likes of Geremi and Ameobi for being crap.

Yeah, I can see how being a great player would make you think he'd be a decent scout.

I hope he works out, but ts far too early to have him down as a world class-type defender. Yes, he's been good for us, but he's gotten himself into some trouble that really good centre backs really shouldn't, although granted he has normally good enough to recover the situation - but he can't rely on that, and shouldn't be making the errors in the first place. I'm not saying he's not good enough, just that he isn't necessarily brilliant yet.

Depends what level you think NUFC should be at - if its lower mid table, our while first team is good enough. If its top 6/7, half of them will have to be fucked off, and others will have to prove themselves* * Anyone saying Enrique is "good enough" based on a couple of games is takling outof their soopafan arse. The likes of Faye might well be, but again, he's not poven it really yet.