Rebellious

Nicky Butt or Smith. For attitude.

Viduka, Shay, Enrique

Yeah I was saying that to the misses. It seems we only ever luck goals into the net. I cant remember the last goal we scored by individual skill, a run, dodge a couple of defenders, round the keeper and score cleanly.

Dyer had 10 zillion games out and a broken body but everytime he came back he made a difference. Remember the Arsenal game and a few when actually had come back. I dont think the injury can be an excuse. Even the fact Barton has moved teams is no different to Dyer coming back as he spent so long out injured each time he was playing with a completely new team each time as well. I`m not comparing the 2 players but I am saying is Barton hasn`t done much. Some people have different natural fitness levels and I seem to remember many comments from management etc how Dyer was just amazingly naturally fit so its no surprise that he did come back back and make an immediate impact (for about 3 games then went missing for many after). Those who have seen Barton pre-NUFC know he is a lot better than he has shown for us so far and I doubt a broken metathingymajig is going to ruin the lad at 25! Its too early to judge obviously but lets hope it isn`t the case of every player that signs for us becomes half the player over night

Dyer had 10 zillion games out and a broken body but everytime he came back he made a difference. Remember the Arsenal game and a few when actually had come back. I dont think the injury can be an excuse. Even the fact Barton has moved teams is no different to Dyer coming back as he spent so long out injured each time he was playing with a completely new team each time as well. I`m not comparing the 2 players but I am saying is Barton hasn`t done much.

Excellent News. Ipswich being my home town I was looking forward to this anyway.

Enrique. He allows N`zogbia to play in his preffered position which then allows Milner to play in his right position and so on.

A bit harsh that, banning him for stating fact.

That was August though? Haha so it was, fuck where has this month gone lol. Its been a while where we have had so many goals to choose from.

I thought zoggys goal against boro was better than them all.

I would have been pissed off if we lost to the goal at the start of the second half, but we lost to unstoppable free kick so it made it easier to take. Milner should of had a pen. Taylor was shockingly crap today and his lack of pace showed. Zoggy and Smith gave the ball away too much. The one annoying thing was the fact that Man City broke in one flowing move straight to our goal where as everytime we broke foward we stopped about 2 thirds up and let them get back.

http://money.uk.msn.com/consumer/football-finance/article.aspx?cp-documentid=5872436 The richest football clubs By Simon Ward September 24 2007 Money – some football clubs have it, some don’t. The 20 Premier League clubs stand to make a record £1.8 billion this season, yet some still find themselves mired in debt. Despite huge income from TV rights and sponsorship, there’s still one area costing clubs a fortune – players’ wages. A new era of sole owners of Premier League clubs has meant that the days of stock market flotations are over. And while some chairmen have been willing to put their clubs into debt or freely bankroll them, most are now looking to make a return from their investment. The raft of new stadiums being built and on the drawing board, plus projects to increase capacity at existing grounds, means the top clubs are set to generate even more income. Add to that the untapped potential for TV rights and merchandising in parts of Asia, the Middle East, and now the USA (courtesy of one D. Beckham) and the rich are set to get richer. Whether that’s good for the long term future of the game is another matter entirely. Are foreign owners good for the Premier League? Here are the richest clubs in Britain, as featured in accountants Deloitte’s 2007 Football Money League, and how they make their money. Arsenal The Gunners' new stadium, which has proven to be an excellent investment for the team. Latest figures reveal the club's turnover has broken £200 million without coming near the budget for new talent. The move to the Emirate's stadium from Highbury means the Gunners are generating more than £3m a game, although just who is paying £92 for a seat at a game is a mystery. 06/07 revenue: €286.8 million Manchester United United fell to fourth place on the 2007 Football Money League, despite remaining the most profitable football club in the world. Their comparatively lowly position was thanks largely to an indifferent 2005/06 season (they were knocked out of the Champions League at the group stage). However, a successful campaign on the pitch last season, plus the expansion of Old Trafford, a more lucrative sponsorship deal with AIG and increased TV money should see them challenging Real Madrid and Barcelona at the top of the list once again in 2008. 05/06 revenue: €242.6 million Chelsea One man who definitely isn’t in the football business to make a profit is Roman Abramovich. He’s splashed out again this summer on Florent Malouda and Alex, although the activity was to nowhere near the same extent as in previous transfer windows. The Champions League is the holy grail, as is raising their profile elsewhere in the world, hence their summer tours to Asia and the US. 05/06 revenue: €221 million Liverpool The George Gillett/Tom Hicks takeover in March meant Liverpool had money to invest again in the transfer market. Perhaps more crucially for their longer-term prospects, plans have just been unveiled for a new 60,000-capacity stadium. With Anfield currently sold out every game, the extra seats can’t come quick enough. Another great performance in last season’s Champions League also boosted the club’s coffers. 05/06 revenue: €176 million Newcastle The Magpies were another club who seemed to be on the up financially following sportswear mogul Mike Ashley’s takeover. However, higher than expected levels of debt have led to some concerns. Despite this, an extremely loyal set of fans means games are always well attended and there are plans to expand St James’ Park. A Champions League place at the end of the season would reward everyone for their investment in the club. 05/06 revenue: €124.3 million Spurs Tottenham may always miss out on that coveted Champions League place, but that doesn’t stop them having a high turnover. White Hart Lane is always packed with a loyal fan base, but plans to raise capacity to 50,000 are in the pipeline. Although with significantly smaller capacity than Arsenal it may only be a matter of time before another new stadium in North London is on the cards. 05/06 revenue: €107.2 million Manchester City A controversial takeover and a spiralling pile of debts - it’s a good job the team got off to a good start in the Premier League. City announced a £7.1 million loss in the six months to November 2006 and it will be interesting to see if Thaksin Shinawatra plugs the holes. 05/06 revenue: €89.4 million Rangers Despite losing out on the field to Glasgow rivals Celtic for the last two seasons, the Gers have actually made more money off it. Despite this, large debts mean they can’t compete in the transfer market and they are hoping a place in the Champions League group stage will give them a much-needed windfall. 05/06 revenue: €88.5 million West Ham Having endured a summer of headlines about everything but football, the Hammers will be glad the new season is here. The takeover by a consortium headed by Icelander Eggert Magnusson injected some much needed funds into the club. But the biggest boost to the club’s coffers was their last-day survival in the Premier League. 05/06 revenue: €60.1 million

That is one thing in particular I just cannot comprehend with Shola. No matter where the ball goes, where it bounces, how it bounces, whether it takes a deflection or not... he almost always seems to be taken off guard by it. He never expects the ball to do what it actually does. Not only is that a sign of a poor sportsman, it's also the sign of an idiot. mackems.gif Completely agree

It wasn`t the defeat that pissed me off. It was the players sunday league play. It wouldn`t matter what team beat us either. The fact we played as shite as we did has done me right in. Free kicks and corners for fuck sake. They were completely lame. Even if we were in training passing that badly and not getting no set plays anywhere near a player for 90 minutes I would be just as pissed off. Derby has nothing to do with how crap we played or how pissed off I am.

Picked pattison but Ameobi was our poorest tonight.

haha Ferdinand on setanta said he wasnt just holding Rozzy back it was more like GBH for the penalty that wasn`t.

Whats everyone worried about ? If no one is injured and Enrique, Beye and Faye are as good as everyone thinks, we will be fine. I really don`t see Arsenal as a Top team anymore. If it was Man Utd, Chelsea or Liverpool home or away I would be gutted. If it was Everton or Man City I away I would be concerned. The Emirates isn`t like going to Highbury and with no Henry we will be fine.

No way. Forced rotation in our back four has been the major problem for years now. Imo once you have your strongest back four you should only rotate when forced by injury. As for Taylor I think we need to take him out and use him when needed. Saying that we havn`t really seen enough of any of the new CB`s. Its still early days.

Yeah I thought that. He didn`t have too get the refs attention and Boro were in space and could have gone on to score.

They linked up really well about 3 times last night. Wasn`t much more I noticed due to the lack of service into the front 2.

I don't get either 1) The assumption that he won't be coached well under Allardyce or 2) That going to Man Utd will iron out the flaws in his game given he arrived from Italy lacking decent movement or touch. blueyes.gif I think it will be at least 6 months to 1 year until Allardyce gets 100% set up behind the scenes with the exact staff and facilites he wants. I`m no expert so i`m not sure whos coaching staff are better ours or Man Utds ? I would hazard a guess that SAF has some good people in place after the amount of time he has been there. I remember a certain C Ronaldo who was as eratic as Martins. Ronaldo improved greatly after just one year under SAF. He was younger at Inter and wasn`t regarded as a first team player.

Loaning Martins to Man Utd would at least get a good level of coaching into him. Maybe he would come back a better player than if he stays here for a year. As for selling and not loaning I would rather lose Owen. I hate worring about him getting injured everytime he plays. Where as Martins is also alot younger and not made of glass.

They're English, top-flight strikers, not presently injured and willing. That puts them in a fairly small group. This gives me some incentive to watch the match, and it will be great to see England's no. 9 & no. 10 from Newcastle (especially when neither of them are first choice forwards at the moment in Sam's 4-3-3) Just please don't either of them get injured. They may not be Sams first choice Forwards at the moment but Sams first choice strikers are also first choice for their respective countries also.

Owen on loan until January if we can have Brown on loan until January. Brown = Better RB than Carr

All this Jol thing was on Sky Sports 1 Sunday morning, discussing the dof Comolli and Jol not getting on , 4 more games to get it right, Ramos approached etc.