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From the highlights could of well got the hat trick if he had of wanted to take the penalty. - 23 minute Martins received a high lofted ball from the right controlled from the inside left cut in to power with his right foot keeper made a great save and tipped it onto the bar. - 32 minute long ball over the right back Martins with one touch burst past him then smashed it in the far top corner with his left foot. - 52 minute Martins sprung the really high offside trap burst away and put it onto his right to slot home under the keeper. - 90 minute Martins set his partner threw with a one touch threw pass his partner got taken down got a penalty and took it instead of Martins fired high. First goal was quite fantastic. Am I allowed to post the highlights link on here???

Its fantastic we have such a good selection of firepower and striker options also judging by the amount of games Viduka misses Alan Smith even at £6 million will prove to be a very good buy. I also hope Big Sam continues with the policy of Viduka or Smith to partner Owen or Martins.

Quite awful news get well Bob

Agree totally. Its vital we don't continue with the centre trio of Butt- Smith - Geremi - with the return to match fitness of Emre, for the reasons above Big Sam must start Emre if we are to see improvements on our lackluster midfield display against Manchester City on Saturday. I know the partnership of Emre and Butt has been tried under previous managers but I would suggest there our best complementary centre two while Joey Barton is injured and it must be a Centre two and not a three if we are to see N'Zogbia thriving down the Left Wing and Martins higher up the pitch alongside Viduka and not wasted deep and wide of a three.

Or defending. The high back line of the back four was as much to blame for the defeat as the lack of adventure of the midfield and forward line up I would agree. Criminal to play such a high line against Elano the first goal highlighted that. I was referring to the defensive capabilities of the midfield 3. They didn't get anywhere near Elano all day...Butt was a complete non-entity apart from a couple of fouls...didn't even manage to give anyone a proper kicking in the time honoured tradition of his former club. That peanut looking thing on the left was obviously scared of a booking, I thought he was supposed to be agressive...fuck knows what else he has going for him. I agree. Parker anyone

Or defending. The high back line of the back four was as much to blame for the defeat as the lack of adventure of the midfield and forward line up I would agree. Criminal to play such a high line against Elano the first goal highlighted that.

My biggest gripe is the teams/formations/tactics he picks not so much his comments. But comments of "We got the goal, and then we were too adventurous. When you become too adventurous away from home, you pay the price" Doesn't help after watching 90 minutes of a isolated Viduka a too deep Martins and a ultra defensive three in central midfield who offer very little creativity or forward running. Just such a waste playing Martins so deep and playing such a good link man in Viduka so isolated and wasting the attacking abilities of N'Zogbia at left back.

I found these comments quite astonishing. The biggest frustration in the defeat on Saturday was not our Adventure but our Ultra defensive centre three (Butt, Smith, Geremi) which gave us nothing in balance going forward nor creativity to the isolated Viduka and the too deep and wide Martins along with the ridiculously high line by our back four. You simply don't play 3 ultra defensive central midfielders if your going to play such a high line because as seen for there first goal its very easy to get threw the ultra defensive midfield three with one ball over/threw the back fours high line it wasn't only for the first goal but after when Shay Given had to pull of a one on one save due to the high defensive line and non productive defensive centre three in there duties. 4-4-2 is a must with the squad and players we have if we are to make the most of our best players, Martins needs to play high up the pitch alongside Viduka and not deep and wide and N'Zogbia now must be given license to go attack teams high up the pitch on the left side with Milner returning to his favored right side role. I realize Big Sam is never going to bring back the Keegan or Robson times in terms of adventure and flowing football but the ultra defensive line ups and not getting the best out of our attacking players by giving them un complementary roles is very frustrating.

Elano was outstanding in the space between the Striker and Midfield today, fantastic finder of space and his creative forward passes were fantastic.

Disappointing result and performance. And another really disappointing team selection by Big Sam, Enrique needed his match fitness so should of played his consecutive game allowing N'Zogbia to play Left Wing also the threat of Martins was wasted by playing so deep and wide he needs to play up top with Viduka with N'Zogbia and Milner as wingers to provide if we are to course teams problems and have balance going forward. Ratings... Given - made some top saves could not of saved the goals (7) Beye - showed his energy and tackling skills but Petrov got in behind him far to many times (5.5) Taylor - poor game by his high standards seemed to struggle not having a Striker close to dominant (5.5) Rozenhal - massively at fault for the first goal in no mans land so high up the pitch, he is so poor at defending the space in behind which is such a important part of defending, Elano was just playing the threw passes behind him so easily (4) N'Zogbia - his lack of defensive positioning is obvious the sooner Big Sam moves him Left Wing the better (5.5) Butt - should of played deeper and picked up Elano more he gave far too many passes away and too many freekicks (5.5) Geremi - neat and tidy performance produced a fantastic delivery pass for Martins over the top (6) Smith - work rate was good as always and won so many 50-50 balls and headers but lacked any sort of forward movement or quality passing (6) Milner - provide some good moments and his work rate helped but seems uncomfortable not wide in a 4-4-2 (6) Martins - fantastic movement touch and finish for the goal but was wasted so deep and wide thanks to Big Sam (6) Viduka - needs a partner to thrive Big Sam prevented that needed delivery from wide Big Sam prevented that (6) Big Sam - playing Martins so deep and wide does not get the best out of him and playing Viduka so isolated does not get the best out of him, playing N'Zogbia left back when Enrique was fit and needed the 2nd consecutive start for his fitness and playing 4-3-3 with the main tactic of containing the opposition does not get the best out of our team and does not get the best out of our attacking talent of Martins, Viduka, N'Zogbia, Milner. 4-4-2 is a must...

Evening Chronicle says Ameobi picked up a groin injury against Arsenal "kids " which apparently doesn’t look good so going by that yes Smith only role in the team should be up top when Viduka is not fit. Hopefully Viduka is fit to play though.

I think its likely Big Sam will revert back to 4-3-3 and ditch 4-4-2 with the loss of Michael Owen, we could see a similar 4-3-3 formation we played away against Bolton, with Viduka up top with two off the sides of him likely to be Martins in a uncomfortable role for him and maybe N'Zogbia instead of Milner this time will be pushed up further with the return of Enrique and Emre to the left side. Its clear Big Sam favors 4-4-2 with Michael Owen in the side but with Martins starting or coming on he seems to either play him off the sides in a 4-3-3 like against Bolton or when coming on against Aston Villa. ----------------------Given----------------- ----------------Taylor----Rozenhal--------- --------Beye----------Butt-----------Enrique ----------------Geremi----Emre--------------- -------------Martins----------N'Zogbia------- ---------------------Viduka------------------ Would prefer to see 4-4-2 though with N'Zogbia and Milner in there favored positions as Wingers and Martins in his best role being played threw the middle off Viduka.

Sounds like Wenger is struggling for Centre backs with Senderos the only real centre half in his Squad for tonight. So he is set to give all round midfielder Alexandre Song a start alongside Senderos at Centre back... http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?thisNav=news&article=482063&cpid=703&title=Wenger+-+Don%27t+misjudge+Alex+Song I hope Big Sam is postive and plays Viduka rather then resting him for this one, Viduka and Martins could really do some damage against Song and Senderos.

I am certain Big Sam will have a particular game plan in mind for Arsenal maybe a 3 in the Centre with Abodalaye Faye holding or a different version of his Bolton sides that were so successful against Wenger team, Big Sam certainly knows what tactics help stop Wenger flowing sides from his Bolton vs Arsenal days I am sure we will see a different formation and tactics then what we saw against West Ham at Home for this one. Maybe... -----------------Given----------------- Beye---Taylor--Rozenhal--Enrique -------Geremi---Faye---Emre--------- -------Martins--Smith--N'Zogbia------- Subs - Viduka, Milner, Butt, Cacapa, Harper Resting for Man City - Owen, Viduka, Milner, Butt, Harper

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_2744624,00.html Well said Rafa. Rafa Very disappointing on Big Sam part

Both Emre and Enrique have been training and are Fit but not "Match fit/Lack of games" means they won't be involved... Quite bizarre as Enrique has been left out of the Reserve squads and has been training for weeks and Emre played two games in a week for Turkey just a week ago... Play em Sam

Agree I thought Roze and Cacapa as a partnership struggled with the Derby number 9 Howard ariel ability... People may critizise Steven Taylor but in the air he is certainly dominant. I also think its important for the progression of Steven Taylor he starts consistently at Centre Back alongside the experience of either Rozenhal or Cacapa.

Fully agree. Midfield was our biggest failure on Monday night, balance mostly was the issue along with alot of other things but with Jose Enrique slotting into Left Back and N'Zogbia playing his favored Left Wing role with Milner on the Right it should certainly help the balance that was lacking against Derby. Hope to see... Given Beye Taylor Rozenhal Enrique Milner Geremi Emre N'Zogbia Martins Viduka Subs- Harper, Cacapa, Faye, Smith, Owen Normally I am confident but West Ham have some good good players Bellamy, Ljungberg and most of all Scott Parker the dreadful performance on Monday night against a woeful Derby side still haunts me so all I am hoping for is a positive performance.

With Manchester United midfield you could play Owen and Martins up top because there Midfield is so strong and you have Ronaldo, Nani and Scholes to make up for Owen and Martins lack of ability outside the box. But for us with our Midfield I think you have to play a Owen and Viduka partnership most games and play threw Viduka with him being your focal point of attacks with Owen playing on the shoulder of the defenders and getting the goals. I know Obafemi Martins is a fantastic player but I think when Mark Viduka is fully fit after a good amount of games this season I think we will see Viduka being quite unstoppable with Owen as a partnership.

Could be... Harper Beye Taylor Rozenhal N'Zogbia Geremi Smith Butt Milner Owen Martins

I can't help being consistently disappointed with Emre. He has given us nothing for months and months consistently injured and on his return to playing for Turkey he gives out quotes saying he would like a move back to Turkey in January before he has even returned for us or given us any sort of commitment or quality on the pitch for a good number of games. Fantastically gifted player but you have to question will we ever see him one playing consistently without getting injured and two showing the form that he made his name for at Inter Milan.

I think a lot of people under value James Milner delivery and productivity he adds to our team. Lets not forget its the same James Milner who got 11 assists last season and 9 assists the season before in all competitions, yes he may not have the pace of a Lennon but in terms of delivery and productivity he has been up there with the best statistically for the last couple of seasons now. I am a big supporter of him and in terms of assists and delivery from wide he is and has been our most important player who lets not forget is still developing as a player. Also as someone pointed out his ability to deliver from either foot from either the Left Wing or Right Wing is very hard to defend against and is a very rare quality which is something he has over most other wingers along with his assists stats. I think certainly its vital for the goals of Viduka, Martins, Owen this season for Milner delivery to be in the team.

Hopefully Defensively should see Jose Enrique debut we can't keep getting away with N'Zogbia there for the good of the team and the player himself and I think it would be a disaster waiting to happen to play Carr up against the pace of Ashley Young so hopefully Geremi goes Right Back as is expected anyway when Joey Barton returns. Attacking wise Solano technique and passing is needed at Home another performance like his one at St James against Celtic in pre season should give Martins and Viduka good service along with Milner good delivery from the Left of late. Harper Geremi Rozehnal Taylor Enrique Solano Smith Butt Milner Martins Viduka Subs: Forster Cacapa N'Zogbia Dyer Owen Owen, Dyer, N'Zogbia three fantastic attacking options off the bench Newcastle 3 v 1 Aston Villa Martins x2 Viduka - Carew

Sounds like West Ham wanted him before they brought Faubert and Ljungberg (both right wingers) Can't see West Ham going back in for him now they have brought others for the Right Wing position.