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Why does it matter? I just think it's worth establishing that it's not Mike Ashley who Keegan is going to be suing for £2m, it's our football club. Fine if he wins the case he's entitled to it, but everyone should be aware that Ashley personally won't lose a penny so satisfaction at his losses should probably be less jubilant.

In such case I have no doubt whatsoever such a dispute would have been referred immediately to Llambias. It's all speculation, but very good points are being made by the likes of KaKa, Edd, mrmojo et al - and not being adequately refuted. mrmojorisin75 suggests: So can Keegan's supporters please come up with something other than "It's all speculative bollocks" or "It's all Wise's fault"? UV asks Well, yes and no. He said (with some cheekiness I'm sure) "I didn't have a brochure this time. It came like a whirlwind it is like one of those Lastminute.com holidays! There was no brochure I just came." Secondly, Wise had yet to be appointed, though one must assume negotiations with Wise had already commenced. So no, Keegan was not explicitly told that the hierarchy was Ashley -> Llambias -> Wise -> Jimenez -> Keegan. However, if you think Ashley and Mort hired Keegan without telling him about the imminent appointment of an executive director (football), that Ashley and Mort duped Keegan into believing he would be an old-school manager with sweeping powers while secretly planning to go in exactly the opposite direction, well... I'll take Kaka's logic over yours thanks. raconteur, very few people want to hear this, instead they prefer the following word associations: cockney, lies, wise, southerner, season tickets, 3 years, fabrication, conspiracy KK, no wrong, innocent, victim, beyond criticism i'm still astounded that after years of shepherd leasing warehouses to the club, ridiculing the supporters publicly, taking massive dividends despite deteriorating results on the pitch (etc...) was affored so much time and never once was there a talk of a boycott of club products, marches, none of this s***...before anyone starts about balancing the books i'll point you to bobby robsons first 2 seasons for a parrallel on spend and manager...also to the sacking of bobby as well really is anyone gonna look me in the internet eye and tell me this doesn't just boil down to a nice bit of dirty regionalism against a southern owner and nasty dennis? anyone? really? Well said. Hopefully they take Keegan to court so the truth can come out and get the £2 million he owes the club in the process. anyone wanting them to proceed with that legal action does not have the best interests of the club at heart. it'll just cause a shitload of bother for no good reason. even if they get their £2m, total phyrric victory beyond belief. I have the best interests of the club at heart and it's why I want the record set straight, if Keegan wins in court then I'll happily back down and admit the club were in the wrong but if they win then I hope people drop the emotional s**** and admit Keegan is in the wrong. naive or daft (one of them) to think going to court is in the best interests of the club or the fans. even with they win - which wouldnt prove that much anyway, nor would losing, as it deals with legal technicalities which are only of interest to scrounging lawyers - how do you think it would make 90% of fans feel that the club, rich and owned by a billionaire, is stripping one of the greatest men in the club's history for £2m, for no other reason than they can. if they do that they just want to 'win' a legal argument rather than do what is in our best interests. they dont need the money, keegan probably does. do you think it was in the best interests of the club and fans to release that silly statement of theirs, too? No I don't, I think the statement was dropping down to his level exchanging insults, with the quick response from the LMA they were expecting it. The truth coming out is worth more to Ashley than £2 million, how many people do you think will stop this boycott of club products if the truth comes out that they're not to blame? I'd say quite a few. The costs will be immense; Keegan will no doubt have sought advice before resigning and will have acted upon it. This means that an employment lawyer somewhere thinks he has a case whether it's breach of contract or constructive dismissal. The £2m could be dwarved by costs and the outcome uncertain. Who is going to pay these massive costs to Keegan? Will they come out of Ashley's private bank account or will NUFC be footing the bill? The LMA will fund Keegan in all likelihood, like most professional associations would if it were assessed there is a reasonable chance of winning the case; he's probably already had this advice and this would account for his resignation. The most likely outcome is a settlement and a non-disclosure agreement. The truth for either side is unlikely to come out. That's not really answering the question which was asked. I'm not suggesting that massive costs would be paid to Keegan rather simply that massive costs would be incurred in the prosecution or defence of a case concerning Keegan's employment and its subsequent termination. The most likely outcome is a settlement and NDA. What I asked was, who would be paying the costs? Ashley from his own personal bank account, or Newcastle United Football Club?

In such case I have no doubt whatsoever such a dispute would have been referred immediately to Llambias. It's all speculation, but very good points are being made by the likes of KaKa, Edd, mrmojo et al - and not being adequately refuted. mrmojorisin75 suggests: So can Keegan's supporters please come up with something other than "It's all speculative bollocks" or "It's all Wise's fault"? UV asks Well, yes and no. He said (with some cheekiness I'm sure) "I didn't have a brochure this time. It came like a whirlwind it is like one of those Lastminute.com holidays! There was no brochure I just came." Secondly, Wise had yet to be appointed, though one must assume negotiations with Wise had already commenced. So no, Keegan was not explicitly told that the hierarchy was Ashley -> Llambias -> Wise -> Jimenez -> Keegan. However, if you think Ashley and Mort hired Keegan without telling him about the imminent appointment of an executive director (football), that Ashley and Mort duped Keegan into believing he would be an old-school manager with sweeping powers while secretly planning to go in exactly the opposite direction, well... I'll take Kaka's logic over yours thanks. raconteur, very few people want to hear this, instead they prefer the following word associations: cockney, lies, wise, southerner, season tickets, 3 years, fabrication, conspiracy KK, no wrong, innocent, victim, beyond criticism i'm still astounded that after years of shepherd leasing warehouses to the club, ridiculing the supporters publicly, taking massive dividends despite deteriorating results on the pitch (etc...) was affored so much time and never once was there a talk of a boycott of club products, marches, none of this s***...before anyone starts about balancing the books i'll point you to bobby robsons first 2 seasons for a parrallel on spend and manager...also to the sacking of bobby as well really is anyone gonna look me in the internet eye and tell me this doesn't just boil down to a nice bit of dirty regionalism against a southern owner and nasty dennis? anyone? really? Well said. Hopefully they take Keegan to court so the truth can come out and get the £2 million he owes the club in the process. anyone wanting them to proceed with that legal action does not have the best interests of the club at heart. it'll just cause a shitload of bother for no good reason. even if they get their £2m, total phyrric victory beyond belief. I have the best interests of the club at heart and it's why I want the record set straight, if Keegan wins in court then I'll happily back down and admit the club were in the wrong but if they win then I hope people drop the emotional s**** and admit Keegan is in the wrong. naive or daft (one of them) to think going to court is in the best interests of the club or the fans. even with they win - which wouldnt prove that much anyway, nor would losing, as it deals with legal technicalities which are only of interest to scrounging lawyers - how do you think it would make 90% of fans feel that the club, rich and owned by a billionaire, is stripping one of the greatest men in the club's history for £2m, for no other reason than they can. if they do that they just want to 'win' a legal argument rather than do what is in our best interests. they dont need the money, keegan probably does. do you think it was in the best interests of the club and fans to release that silly statement of theirs, too? No I don't, I think the statement was dropping down to his level exchanging insults, with the quick response from the LMA they were expecting it. The truth coming out is worth more to Ashley than £2 million, how many people do you think will stop this boycott of club products if the truth comes out that they're not to blame? I'd say quite a few. The costs will be immense; Keegan will no doubt have sought advice before resigning and will have acted upon it. This means that an employment lawyer somewhere thinks he has a case whether it's breach of contract or constructive dismissal. The £2m could be dwarved by costs and the outcome uncertain. Who is going to pay these massive costs to Keegan? Will they come out of Ashley's private bank account or will NUFC be footing the bill? The LMA will fund Keegan in all likelihood, like most professional associations would if it were assessed there is a reasonable chance of winning the case; he's probably already had this advice and this would account for his resignation. The most likely outcome is a settlement and a non-disclosure agreement. The truth for either side is unlikely to come out. That's not really answering the question which was asked.

That and, No more John Motson Fuck aye. I'm dreading the day he retires, you just know that THAT clip will be shown a million times. Met him in the lift down from the Bamburgh Suite, he was with Graham Taylor. Got talking to them, Motson was a complete tosser, Taylor was a top, top bloke. My experience of Motson is similar. A complete cock. Fucking awful bloke Well he's always sounded like a complete tosser so gratifying to know it's true in reality as well.

In such case I have no doubt whatsoever such a dispute would have been referred immediately to Llambias. It's all speculation, but very good points are being made by the likes of KaKa, Edd, mrmojo et al - and not being adequately refuted. mrmojorisin75 suggests: So can Keegan's supporters please come up with something other than "It's all speculative bollocks" or "It's all Wise's fault"? UV asks Well, yes and no. He said (with some cheekiness I'm sure) "I didn't have a brochure this time. It came like a whirlwind it is like one of those Lastminute.com holidays! There was no brochure I just came." Secondly, Wise had yet to be appointed, though one must assume negotiations with Wise had already commenced. So no, Keegan was not explicitly told that the hierarchy was Ashley -> Llambias -> Wise -> Jimenez -> Keegan. However, if you think Ashley and Mort hired Keegan without telling him about the imminent appointment of an executive director (football), that Ashley and Mort duped Keegan into believing he would be an old-school manager with sweeping powers while secretly planning to go in exactly the opposite direction, well... I'll take Kaka's logic over yours thanks. raconteur, very few people want to hear this, instead they prefer the following word associations: cockney, lies, wise, southerner, season tickets, 3 years, fabrication, conspiracy KK, no wrong, innocent, victim, beyond criticism i'm still astounded that after years of shepherd leasing warehouses to the club, ridiculing the supporters publicly, taking massive dividends despite deteriorating results on the pitch (etc...) was affored so much time and never once was there a talk of a boycott of club products, marches, none of this s***...before anyone starts about balancing the books i'll point you to bobby robsons first 2 seasons for a parrallel on spend and manager...also to the sacking of bobby as well really is anyone gonna look me in the internet eye and tell me this doesn't just boil down to a nice bit of dirty regionalism against a southern owner and nasty dennis? anyone? really? Well said. Hopefully they take Keegan to court so the truth can come out and get the £2 million he owes the club in the process. anyone wanting them to proceed with that legal action does not have the best interests of the club at heart. it'll just cause a shitload of bother for no good reason. even if they get their £2m, total phyrric victory beyond belief. I have the best interests of the club at heart and it's why I want the record set straight, if Keegan wins in court then I'll happily back down and admit the club were in the wrong but if they win then I hope people drop the emotional s**** and admit Keegan is in the wrong. naive or daft (one of them) to think going to court is in the best interests of the club or the fans. even with they win - which wouldnt prove that much anyway, nor would losing, as it deals with legal technicalities which are only of interest to scrounging lawyers - how do you think it would make 90% of fans feel that the club, rich and owned by a billionaire, is stripping one of the greatest men in the club's history for £2m, for no other reason than they can. if they do that they just want to 'win' a legal argument rather than do what is in our best interests. they dont need the money, keegan probably does. do you think it was in the best interests of the club and fans to release that silly statement of theirs, too? No I don't, I think the statement was dropping down to his level exchanging insults, with the quick response from the LMA they were expecting it. The truth coming out is worth more to Ashley than £2 million, how many people do you think will stop this boycott of club products if the truth comes out that they're not to blame? I'd say quite a few. The costs will be immense; Keegan will no doubt have sought advice before resigning and will have acted upon it. This means that an employment lawyer somewhere thinks he has a case whether it's breach of contract or constructive dismissal. The £2m could be dwarved by costs and the outcome uncertain. Who is going to pay these massive costs to Keegan? Will they come out of Ashley's private bank account or will NUFC be footing the bill?

In such case I have no doubt whatsoever such a dispute would have been referred immediately to Llambias. It's all speculation, but very good points are being made by the likes of KaKa, Edd, mrmojo et al - and not being adequately refuted. mrmojorisin75 suggests: So can Keegan's supporters please come up with something other than "It's all speculative bollocks" or "It's all Wise's fault"? UV asks Well, yes and no. He said (with some cheekiness I'm sure) "I didn't have a brochure this time. It came like a whirlwind — it is like one of those Lastminute.com holidays! There was no brochure — I just came." Secondly, Wise had yet to be appointed, though one must assume negotiations with Wise had already commenced. So no, Keegan was not explicitly told that the hierarchy was Ashley -> Llambias -> Wise -> Jimenez -> Keegan. However, if you think Ashley and Mort hired Keegan without telling him about the imminent appointment of an executive director (football), that Ashley and Mort duped Keegan into believing he would be an old-school manager with sweeping powers while secretly planning to go in exactly the opposite direction, well... I'll take Kaka's logic over yours thanks. raconteur, very few people want to hear this, instead they prefer the following word associations: cockney, lies, wise, southerner, season tickets, 3 years, fabrication, conspiracy KK, no wrong, innocent, victim, beyond criticism i'm still astounded that after years of shepherd leasing warehouses to the club, ridiculing the supporters publicly, taking massive dividends despite deteriorating results on the pitch (etc...) was affored so much time and never once was there a talk of a boycott of club products, marches, none of this shit...before anyone starts about balancing the books i'll point you to bobby robsons first 2 seasons for a parrallel on spend and manager...also to the sacking of bobby as well really is anyone gonna look me in the internet eye and tell me this doesn't just boil down to a nice bit of dirty regionalism against a southern owner and nasty dennis? anyone? really? Well said. Hopefully they take Keegan to court so the truth can come out and get the £2 million he owes the club in the process. anyone wanting them to proceed with that legal action does not have the best interests of the club at heart. it'll just cause a shitload of bother for no good reason. even if they get their £2m, total phyrric victory beyond belief. I have the best interests of the club at heart and it's why I want the record set straight, if Keegan wins in court then I'll happily back down and admit the club were in the wrong but if they win then I hope people drop the emotional shite and admit Keegan is in the wrong. naive or daft (one of them) to think going to court is in the best interests of the club or the fans. even with they win - which wouldnt prove that much anyway, nor would losing, as it deals with legal technicalities which are only of interest to scrounging lawyers - how do you think it would make 90% of fans feel that the club, rich and owned by a billionaire, is stripping one of the greatest men in the club's history for £2m, for no other reason than they can. if they do that they just want to 'win' a legal argument rather than do what is in our best interests. they dont need the money, keegan probably does. do you think it was in the best interests of the club and fans to release that silly statement of theirs, too? if he needs the money that much, he wouldn't have walked out of a job.

Spot on, why the hell should fans just accept being shafted by the likes of Ashley and Wise ? Who said you should accept it? The point some people are making is that the last thing the club needs is more drama, protesting will do the club no good at all and it won't make a difference to Ashley selling, only money will. If you don't make a protest then you are just accepting any shi-te Wise and Ashley come out with. If you do make a protest then you're wasting your time and creating more bad publicity for the club. The choice is yours. And you can be docile and accept anything even if its wrong. That is obviously your choice. You can also be hostile, start costing the football club money and watch the transfer kitty shrink while Ashley tries to cover his losses. Then moan and groan even more when instead of signing a Coloccini he signs some Bolivian centre half for £500,000. That is obviously your choice. I have put money into this club for years, season ticket year after year, shopping at the club shop , going to cup games and some away games, the total amount over the years will come to thousands and thats no big deal there are many more like me. But that cunt Ashley will not get another penny out of me, and I go to the match with half a dozen other matess who are all as angry as me - if not more so. And believe me these aren't the "boo boys" just people who are very pissed off. Once Ashley starts to piss off long standing fans like these then it might just be that we have something to moan about, we've earned the right to be unhappy with the behaviour of both our owner and director of football and have the right to express it. I will be at the game on Saturday- already got the season ticket- but I will follow the True Faith and Mag plan and avoid giving one penny to anything connected to Ashley's businesses. You can do what you want mate, it's your money. By the same token, it's Ashley's money that is going to be spent/not spent on hiring staff, buying players and the rest. If the club starts making less money they'll spend less on new players. I just wonder if these plebs from True Faith and The Mag have thought about this? If they know for sure that there's someone out there about to buy Ashley out then fair enough. But I doubt it.

Spot on, why the hell should fans just accept being shafted by the likes of Ashley and Wise ? Who said you should accept it? The point some people are making is that the last thing the club needs is more drama, protesting will do the club no good at all and it won't make a difference to Ashley selling, only money will. If you don't make a protest then you are just accepting any shi-te Wise and Ashley come out with. If you do make a protest then you're wasting your time and creating more bad publicity for the club. The choice is yours. And you can be docile and accept anything even if its wrong. That is obviously your choice. You can also be hostile, start costing the football club money and watch the transfer kitty shrink while Ashley tries to cover his losses. Then moan and groan even more when instead of signing a Coloccini he signs some Bolivian centre half for £500,000. That is obviously your choice.

Wise was following the programme Keegan wasn't. It's hardly surprising Ashley came down on his side, I doubt personality had much to do with it. Ashley is running the club as a business, that much is clear. I'm just not convinced anyone else who comes in won't do any different, unless they put the club into debt. That's what has happened at Liverpool and Man U and they have far bigger income resources than us. What was "the programme" ? that wise was responsible for bringing in young players. Thats what we were told by Ashley when he brought the poison dwarf to the club. Unless Ashey was lying right from the start................. The programme is buying players whose value will go up instead of down. Most club owners will want that unless they've got limitless funds which they are prepared to write off. There are two so far in the Premier league: Abramovich and now the Abhu Dhabi arabs at City.

...and we have a winner!

I've a feeling Ashley will think he's right to stick to his guns anyway, regardless of the boycott. I don't think he could operate his transfer policy if everybody wasn't singing from the same hymn sheet, and Keegan clearly wasn't.

Not sure he's brainless but Poyet doesn't half look like a 40 year old Pinnochio.

yet you knowashley would want to hurt us? is what i'm reading into that... do tell... ...and where did i mention Ashley you didn't, that's why i said i'm reading that into it but by saying keegan is blameless by implication you're saying someone else is not surely? Whoever brought in the player(s) without KK approval is the person responsible for KK walking. Or am i wrong? If KK didn't want the players because he'd never heard of them, but they turned out to be good...who would be wrong?

Then british people are all alcoholics (same as the germans), Belgians are all paedophiles (sp), Dutch people are all Junkies, and not to forget all the islamic ppl are terrorists. "Naturally" of course... :-( No, no, no. You're either being really stupid or else you're using the word "All" to deliberately sensationalise things. Either way, it's just daft. Rebrov hasn't said that all blacks are criminals, and neither have I and neither has that report from the home office. The point is though that black people are statistically more likely to commit crimes that land them in jail, and that's an inescapable fact. If you then say in return "If I go to England then I'm naturally more likely to meet alcoholics" and statistics back you up (I have no idea if they do or not) then that would be fine. Didn't Silvio Maric say something about the women being ugly in Newcastle during his spell here? If we add Fat Fred's comments about Geordie women being dogs does that count as a statistic making it ok to offer the opinion? aye, I remember Barnsley had a player (Hristov) who said similar things about women from Yorkshire "The local girls are far uglier than the ones back in Belgrade or Skopje, the capital of Macedonia, where I come from. Our women are much prettier. Besides they don't drink as much beer as the Barnsley girls which is something I don't like at all."

Then british people are all alcoholics (same as the germans), Belgians are all paedophiles (sp), Dutch people are all Junkies, and not to forget all the islamic ppl are terrorists. "Naturally" of course... :-( No, no, no. You're either being really stupid or else you're using the word "All" to deliberately sensationalise things. Either way, it's just daft. Rebrov hasn't said that all blacks are criminals, and neither have I and neither has that report from the home office. The point is though that black people are statistically more likely to commit crimes that land them in jail, and that's an inescapable fact. If you then say in return "If I go to England then I'm naturally more likely to meet alcoholics" and statistics back you up (I have no idea if they do or not) then that would be fine. Didn't Silvio Maric say something about the women being ugly in Newcastle during his spell here? If we add Fat Fred's comments about Geordie women being dogs does that count as a statistic making it ok to offer the opinion?

Utter bollocks. If he's going to make stuff up, at least Oliver could make it something believable. FWIW, I still think Poyet is the lead contender. There's an article in the Independent today saying he's wanting to be a manager in his own right, but is concerned about the possible hostility from the fans.

In such case I have no doubt whatsoever such a dispute would have been referred immediately to Llambias. It's all speculation, but very good points are being made by the likes of KaKa, Edd, mrmojo et al - and not being adequately refuted. mrmojorisin75 suggests: So can Keegan's supporters please come up with something other than "It's all speculative bollocks" or "It's all Wise's fault"? UV asks Well, yes and no. He said (with some cheekiness I'm sure) "I didn't have a brochure this time. It came like a whirlwind it is like one of those Lastminute.com holidays! There was no brochure I just came." Secondly, Wise had yet to be appointed, though one must assume negotiations with Wise had already commenced. So no, Keegan was not explicitly told that the hierarchy was Ashley -> Llambias -> Wise -> Jimenez -> Keegan. However, if you think Ashley and Mort hired Keegan without telling him about the imminent appointment of an executive director (football), that Ashley and Mort duped Keegan into believing he would be an old-school manager with sweeping powers while secretly planning to go in exactly the opposite direction, well... I'll take Kaka's logic over yours thanks. raconteur, very few people want to hear this, instead they prefer the following word associations: cockney, lies, wise, southerner, season tickets, 3 years, fabrication, conspiracy KK, no wrong, innocent, victim, beyond criticism i'm still astounded that after years of shepherd leasing warehouses to the club, ridiculing the supporters publicly, taking massive dividends despite deteriorating results on the pitch (etc...) was affored so much time and never once was there a talk of a boycott of club products, marches, none of this shit...before anyone starts about balancing the books i'll point you to bobby robsons first 2 seasons for a parrallel on spend and manager...also to the sacking of bobby as well really is anyone gonna look me in the internet eye and tell me this doesn't just boil down to a nice bit of dirty regionalism against a southern owner and nasty dennis? anyone? really? No one's going to admit it are they?

i see your argument, and i raise you asprilla, ginola, albert, hottiger, srnicek and peter beardsley Those were pretty well known players as well though, with the exception of Hottiger possibly. I take your point though, obviously that does disprove the nationality theory. Didn't Hottiger have a strong world cup in 94? I remember thinking who? when Albert signed though! Albert had an outstanding World Cup in '94. I think Keegan saw him then (not sure if he watched him live) and decided to sign him.

i see your argument, and i raise you asprilla, ginola, albert, hottiger, srnicek and peter beardsley Those were pretty well known players as well though, with the exception of Hottiger possibly. I take your point though, obviously that does disprove the nationality theory.

Keegan's a great motivator, maybe he would find it easier to have a connection with British players, just as Ramos or Benitez would find it easier to communicate with Spanish-speaking players. It's a possible factor I suppose, but I think Keegan probably wasn't keen on South Americans because he simply didn't know much about them. He's always been a manager who buys household names rather than unearthing players from far and wide.

If the protest involves an economic boycott, I would think all Ashley will do is reduce the amount of money in the transfer kitty to cover any losses.

Gullitt was a pretty poor manager but it was a good gesture to leave without trying to fleece the club.

Not one who got paid 60k a week.

I remember Freddie Shepherd personally seeing him off with a hug and thanking him publicly for leaving without asking for a penny. That's why I assumed he got sacked.

They might not all want to land at the same place?