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Was listening to Century tonight and Slaven was reluctantly talking about the qualities of Frank Quedrue again. For me this is sounding like a decent fall back option if we don't sign top tier players like Heinze, which we won't.

you're expecting him to be grateful NOW, after all this time getting paid shedloads for mediocrity? take what we can get, and f*** the skanky little tosspot off. Like I said to you or other cockney wankers...pay up or fuck off. Preferably both.

The absence of a brain?

What would be the point of a transfer on terms anything like that? We'd be far better off keeping him and using him as part of our already paper thin squad. I hope this is the last we hear of it, and I hope Dyer realises how lucky he is that we have supported him while southern clubs have failed to provide him with the move he wants.

Dyer better be prepared to get his head down and earn his corn for Newcastle I'd say. His chances of a move south look like they have been shat on by the cockney spivs trying to act hardball.

Maybe if Bramble and Heskey swapped positions it might help? :idea1:

In that case kindly fuck off then.

Just goes to emphasise what Dyer was capable of at his best though. Integral part of a side which finished 3rd in the Prem.

Said everything that basically needs to be said right there. I wonder whether Sam's panorama episode might have made the new board a bit more cautious about fast-tracking deals which is probably what Allardyce is more used to?

SWP has probably better end product but is nowhere near as quick IMO, and has far less drive or running power. You would gain some and lose some.

Age: 28 is hardly over the hill Injuries: fair point, but he does seem to be over the worst now following a change to his fitness regime. Hamstrings are hardly the same as having major surgery. Astronomical wages: par for the course for England players these days as to what he delivers, everyone has a different opion, from fans to managers don't they? Yours is probably different to mine, but I would be looking for at least £5m and the figure mentioned by Allardyce was £6m. He seems to be over them but his history of relapses is likely to be at the forefront of people's minds. Also, wasn't there something about there being some likely difficulty in getting insurance for him, due to his injury history, should he move clubs? I would imagine this would be a reason for wanting to pay less for him. Do you think we would be talking about £6m if he had never had injury problems? It would be a lot more given the current market as has just been pointed out. Bear in mind he would be valued according to how successive England managers rate him as opposed to the "Dyer's a fucking little waster" camp.

Age: 28 is hardly over the hill Injuries: fair point, but he does seem to be over the worst now following a change to his fitness regime. Hamstrings are hardly the same as having major surgery. Astronomical wages: par for the course for England players these days as to what he delivers, everyone has a different opion, from fans to managers don't they? Yours is probably different to mine, but I would be looking for at least £5m and the figure mentioned by Allardyce was £6m.

He does have a point though, we do tend to buy high and sell low. There are plenty of tits on this board who would happily blow their load at getting 500k - would probably agonise their tortured souls to see Dyer valued at anything like £6m tbh.

The "moving for family reasons" line is only part of it. For me, using this excuse would be unforgiveable in most cases and I'd want him out of the club ASAP. In Dyer's case though, I think he has been subjected to far more abuse and hatred than warranted which has been reflected on these boards over the last couple of years ( see post above for prime example) so I don't blame him for wanting to leave. Even so, Allardyce is right. We WON'T allow other clubs to nick our players on the cheap, and anything less than £5m would be a travesty. If we don't get the right money then Dyer will have to stay and get on with his job which he is well paid for.

that can be looked at in oh so many ways! Have any of those clubs bar Spurs, bought anyone who would really have wanted though? Portsmouth got Distin but he was past the post by the time Allardyce got here. The reason he isn't here has more to do with past failings than present. That's not really the point though is it? I don't think anyone is expecting Sunderland and Fulham to bring in the sort of players we have in the past. In the past we were playing in Europe not struggling in mid-table. It's a bit unrealistic to expect us to compete with Liverpool or even Spurs right now. Remind me again where we came in the league the season before we signed Owen, Luque, Emre, Solano and Parker. Only Owen out of that lot is a top tier player. He came because there were no better options available. Don't think it would be different for any of the others mentioned there either. We were competing with Everton for Emre and Parker, no one for Solano and Luque far as I'm aware. all of them came because there were no better options available,that includes practically every player before and since. Fine. But then people need to factor this into their expectations. No we won't get Heinze ahead of Liverpool for example. No we won't rush to sign Baines just in case Sunderland get him instead. If Allardyce considered Baines good enough he'd be here already. And if he was that good Liverpool would have snapped him up instead of pursuing Heinze IMO.

that can be looked at in oh so many ways! Have any of those clubs bar Spurs, bought anyone who would really have wanted though? Portsmouth got Distin but he was past the post by the time Allardyce got here. The reason he isn't here has more to do with past failings than present. That's not really the point though is it? I don't think anyone is expecting Sunderland and Fulham to bring in the sort of players we have in the past. In the past we were playing in Europe not struggling in mid-table. It's a bit unrealistic to expect us to compete with Liverpool or even Spurs right now. Remind me again where we came in the league the season before we signed Owen, Luque, Emre, Solano and Parker. Only Owen out of that lot is a top tier player. He came because there were no better options available. Don't think it would be different for any of the others mentioned there either. We were competing with Everton for Emre and Parker, no one for Solano and Luque far as I'm aware.

that can be looked at in oh so many ways! Have any of those clubs bar Spurs, bought anyone who would really have wanted though? Portsmouth got Distin but he was past the post by the time Allardyce got here. The reason he isn't here has more to do with past failings than present. That's not really the point though is it? I don't think anyone is expecting Sunderland and Fulham to bring in the sort of players we have in the past. In the past we were playing in Europe not struggling in mid-table. It's a bit unrealistic to expect us to compete with Liverpool or even Spurs right now.

Pigs are fat but apparently quite clever. So I don't want to insult any intelligent party by making comparisons between said mamals and Freddie Shepherd. Let's just hope this is an end to jobs for the boys and future employment decisions are based on merit above all else.

that can be looked at in oh so many ways! Have any of those clubs bar Spurs, bought anyone who would really have wanted though? Portsmouth got Distin but he was past the post by the time Allardyce got here. The reason he isn't here has more to do with past failings than present.

Except Dyer doesn't have a release clause, so happy or unhappy, I see no reason to allow other clubs to take our players on the cheap, especially when we need them. Like I said earlier...cough up or fuck off. It's that simple.

Yes, except so many attacking LB's don't do this. Warren Barton didn't, Beresford didn't, Carr doesn't, Babayaro and Bernard were usually more concerned with events further up the pitch - so personally, I'm not really intersted in full backs who look great going forward only.

Don't know where people are getting this idea that Zog is lightweight. He's filled out a lot in the last two years and is physically bigger than many LB's in the Prem. And twice as hard.

Wouldn't be keen on playing N'Zogbia at LB anyway, but too lightweight for the position? Reckon he'd be a lot more powerful than the majority of LB's in the Premiership. I am pretty sure Zog has all the attributes to be a terrific LB but I don't think he'd put his heart into it. Considering he's unsettled as it is, might not work out, although I agree he's a far better bet than some of the names being bandied about. Would far rather see a real LB brought in and Zog given the left mid role.

looks like another non-story which Oliver pulled out of his arse hat

A tad harsh, I feel. So now we know. Bellamy is posting undercover using the Norwegian-Geordie alias...