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There's been a few games in the last few years that have been below 35,000.

Actually I agree, title edited.

I think regardless of your views on the other circumstances of this situation we can all agree that Hughton can't continue for much longer as manager. Shocking team selection and tactics in both matches, not an ideal situation to be in but his slections have certainly not helped us at all. I'd take anyone right now other than him, bring on O'Leary, Wise, Venables, anybody.

Do you think many decent mangers would have come and accepted Dennis Wise telling them which players they are getting? No different to last January then. Before the protests, Ashley selling etc. I think we would have easily got a continental manager who'd accept the set up. It may not have been massive name but I don't think we'd be in this situation.

The more important thing is a manager. I'd take O'Leary, Wise, virtually anybody over Hughton.

He's put his principles over the long term benefit of the club. He could have told Ashley to find a manager by Jan 1st because he was leaving on that date, instead he's buggered off and left us fucked.

As the title says really. We've protested and forced Ashley to try and sell but now it seems he won't be selling any time in the next month or so atleast, no decent manager will come here with the instability and Ashley not funding us anymore likely means no major recruits in January. Have we massively overplayed our hand and put ourselves in a situation where we really are in deep, deep trouble.

I'd take O'Leary right now.

Good news for midweek then.

What a joke that team is. Just shows how badly we need a manager as that's Hughton's second shocking team selection. He must be blind if he can't see Bassong is better than Edgar.

Care to explain how paying off £110m of debt, isn't subsidising the club? I've heard about 4 different amounts now The guy paid the debt off to maximise saleability. The debt we had was stable, like most of the other top premier league clubs who are in large amounts of debt (Arsenal, liverpool, manu). That's untrue. Fat Fred himself said that SJH selling up triggered a clause that meant a large sum off money (millions) had to be paid on the SJP mortgage.

I haven't expected European football for years. I don't expect attacking football all of the time. I don't expect big spending on transfers. Any more? Good for you. Sadly the majority of the supporters do expect these things.

By the way why do people think Keegan should have been given control over transfers when up until January he hadn't watched a game of football for 3 years?

List them. Are you fucking kidding me? - Yearly European football - Attacking football all the time - Big spending on transfers

Yep, just saying theoretically though.

Well we can certainly say now he won't get a contract offer until the club has new ownership. So in theory he could sign with another club in January before the club is in a position to offer him a new deal.

- The intense pressure of the job and the fact your in the line of fire, where your more likely to get a fair go at another club. - The huge expectations of the fans - The sheer cost of investing in a football club and the fact the fans will expect you to invest heavily in this club - No real money to be made in the short term and long term that will be depenedent on success The only sort of person in there right mind who'd buy the club would be someone with insanely deep pockets who can afford to lose probobly about half a billion in the next 10 years.

You obviously don't like evidence then. Keegan said he had final say on all transfer matters. Wise said Keegan had final say on all transfer matters. Ashley said Keegan had final say on all transfer matters. The club then issue a statement saying that he knew he wouldn't have control of transfers. Bollocks did he. I really really can't see how people can blame Keegan for this. How are they meant to operate when Keegan was clearly wanting to go after targets who he was clearly told when he got the job would not be pursued as they were not part of the strategy. He had final say as in he could probobly veto a signing but he could not start going out and buying players who did not fit in with the strategy that was agreed. Speculation. Complete and utter speculation. The facts are. Keegan thinks he has final say. Wise says Keegan has final say. Ashley says the transfers must be players that Kevin wants. Something happens towards the end of the transfer window (either attempted sale of players/purchase of players he doesn't want) and Keegan leaves (citing players being bought without his say so). The rest is speculation. I think you can make a calculated guess that he wasn't prepared to go after the stated targets. You have reports going back from May in virtually every newspaper saying Keegan wanted to buy Dunne, Crouch etc. but the board was saying no. Now that may have looked like pure speculation at the time but along with us only having a £20m budget seems to be pretty accurate info right about now. But Ashley has spent a net of £0 so far, in fact if you add it up, he's probably made money. All the targets you list above are names drawn out of a hat in newspaper circles. No-one knows who Keegan wanted. You're just trying to stir up an argument and you're basing it on "calculated guesses". I'm just trying to make the piont that Keegan was by no means an innocent bystander in all this. He even sat down with the board again after the Chelsea game to discuss transfer policy and his comments after that game. You don't think they actually said to him we've brought all these new people in but your still going to do all the work on transfers. I'd be stunned if he hadn't been told about this £20m budget and surely by atleast a month into the window he knew the score, so why didn't he quit then instead of leaving it until the end of the window and leaving us fucked.

You obviously don't like evidence then. Keegan said he had final say on all transfer matters. Wise said Keegan had final say on all transfer matters. Ashley said Keegan had final say on all transfer matters. The club then issue a statement saying that he knew he wouldn't have control of transfers. Bollocks did he. I really really can't see how people can blame Keegan for this. How are they meant to operate when Keegan was clearly wanting to go after targets who he was clearly told when he got the job would not be pursued as they were not part of the strategy. He had final say as in he could probobly veto a signing but he could not start going out and buying players who did not fit in with the strategy that was agreed. Speculation. Complete and utter speculation. The facts are. Keegan thinks he has final say. Wise says Keegan has final say. Ashley says the transfers must be players that Kevin wants. Something happens towards the end of the transfer window (either attempted sale of players/purchase of players he doesn't want) and Keegan leaves (citing players being bought without his say so). The rest is speculation. I think you can make a calculated guess that he wasn't prepared to go after the stated targets. You have reports going back from May in virtually every newspaper saying Keegan wanted to buy Dunne, Crouch etc. but the board was saying no. Now that may have looked like pure speculation at the time but along with us only having a £20m budget seems to be pretty accurate info right about now.

Were gonna need someone who has VERY deep pockets then. If you invest double that per year (which is probobly less than you would like) then over 10 years you are going to be losing £400m. To be throwing that kind of money away you need seriously deep pockets and unless you have that it is clearly unsustainable.

You obviously don't like evidence then. Keegan said he had final say on all transfer matters. Wise said Keegan had final say on all transfer matters. Ashley said Keegan had final say on all transfer matters. The club then issue a statement saying that he knew he wouldn't have control of transfers. Bollocks did he. I really really can't see how people can blame Keegan for this. How are they meant to operate when Keegan was clearly wanting to go after targets who he was clearly told when he got the job would not be pursued as they were not part of the strategy. He had final say as in he could probobly veto a signing but he could not start going out and buying players who did not fit in with the strategy that was agreed.

Don't want keegan back, in my eyes he's as much to blame as anyone else in this situation. I don't believe for one moment that he didn't know the score on transfers.

Think we've made a shocking mistake unless we can get a super rich owner who is prepared to pour hundreds of millons in.

Wise is in charge of youth recruitment as part of his role so goes all over the world to look at young players. One example was the tournament in Houston that he spotted that American kid at a few months ago.

They'll be on a contract so they won't be able to pull out.