Mick

How sad is this old bastard? http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6199/deadmagpient7.th.png

Mongs.

Those grapes don't taste too good.

I think if any manager lives, yes lives football then Newcastle is the club for them, if they want to walk away af 5pm and switch off then they'll hate it because you can't do it here. Keegan and Sir Bobby loved football so loved the job because they fed the fans but also fed off them, if that makes sense. Having to know the club is bollocks, you just have to be good as a manager and live football. I actually like Allardyce and would love him to become a success here, he seems to have a bit of arrogance about him but that arrogance could be a part of the problem if it stops him adapting to the club. Unlike the last two doing his job, I like listening to him, that helps even though I don't always agree with him.

I also heard that one but heard that he pulled it backwards but the rope was tied around his foreskin.

As back then, I hope you're right, as back then I have my doubts. It's not like Souness anyway, he was shite, I'm not sure about what Allardyce can do here but I do know he's not shite.

He's fat, he's round, he bounces off the ground, Mike Ashley, Mike Ashley. I think it may have been done before.

He f****** drove it back man! LEGEND. ZOMG!!!!!11111!!!!!! He didn't, he pushed it back.

12 games is far too early to judge anything other than the 12 games played, it's enough time though to see something positive in what we're trying to do, I'm still waiting to see it, we might see it in our next game, we'll have to wait and see. Allardyce has a different job today than he had when he took over because what was available to him then and now, or at least what I hope is available to him now. In May we looked like we would be selling to buy, I don't think that's the case now although I don't think he's got anything like unlimited funds, I wouldn't want him to have unlimited funds as I want to see a club built on stone, not sand. I don't think Allardyce will be chopping and changing teams over a three year period because I don't think he'll be here in three years if he does. Nobody would mind if he was changing because of injuries but he's not, most of the team changes have been down to choice.

Dalglish didn't have to rebuild when he came, he had to make adjustments, the rebuild was down to him making wholesale changes which were not needed. I think the sale of Ferdinand was out of his hands and was probably an exercise in balancing the books before the club went to the stock exchange. Dalglish thought Stephen Glass was the man to replace David Ginola, he thought Andreas Anderson and Stephane Guivarc'h were going to score goals for us . He also thought that a team that had twice taken us to 2nd in the league needed George Georgiadis, Carl Serrant and Garry Brady to take us to the next level I think Sir Bobby was actually the one who did have to rebuild, he took over a club which was looking like relegation material and he took over a team which had more star players on the treatment table then on the team sheet. Sir Bobby had to reduce hte wage bill before he could spend so was fed on scraps until he got rid of players like Ferguson and Maric who were basically parasites, took a lot and gave very little.

I agree with that, I don't want to see Allardyce getting sacked because I want him to be a success here but for him to get more time we'll have to see something in him to suggest that he has a vision for taking the club forwards, a vision that will turn into results. For him to do that he needs to start picking a settled side and if he's going to make changes do them on a limited basis instead of changing too much at once and every other game. We all want stability within the club but that also means stability in the playing staff and stability in team selection.

When I said mistakes I wasn't referring to things like what Cacapa did against Portsmouth, I mean the mistakes of his team selection changing so drastically from one game to the next, we need stability in the team and he is the one who is making sure that we don't have that. That has nothing to do with conditioning or drilling and it shouldn't take him 12 months to see that it's not working, if it does then he's way out of his depth. The players are making mistakes but I think quite a lot of them is down to not knowing the players that come in from one game to the next, we don't need wholesale changes every game. The fans are accused of kneejerking, the Allardyce team selection looks more like kneejerking than anything the fans say or do. I've seen enough of our play this season which looks like the Bolton that often came to St James', they were awful when we played them, nothing like the team that was supposed to be able to go to big clubs and grind out a result, when they came here they looked like a team who you had to score against then they'd be lost. Remember the game when Roeder first took over and I think we beat them 3-1, we are a reflection of Bolton that day. I must admit that I didn't really look out for Bolton and can only talk about how they were against us but I can see us in them. I think the idiot who picks our best 11 and drops them into a 4-4-2 will win more games than Allardyce is at the minute. You're right that we wouldn't give a shite if we were winning every week but we're not winning anything like the number of games that we should have won. We're not a very good team, the main problem is that we're not as good as we should be with the players we have at the club, it's the job of the manager to get the best out of the players at his disposal and he's not doing it.

I've seen a photograph of some mackem arse carrying a dead magpie on his back, sad bastards.

So Allardyce is basically a one trick pony who can't adapt?

I wouldn't like to see him sacked and doubt that he'll be sacked but I guess it could happen if things went pear shaped. I'm not too happy with him but I doubt fans are going to be shouting for his head any time soon. Dalglish and Gullit were probably rightly sacked because of what they did to the club, they might have turned things around but we'll never know. Dalglish wrecked the team that Keegan had built instead of tweaking it and Gullit put his ego before the club with his handling of Shearer up to a point and also Rob Lee. I think Shearer probably had an ego to match Gullits but Rob Lee never struck me as being anything other than a perfect professional who just wanted to play for the club. Do you think a league position would justify his sacking?

The problem with Allardyce is that he keeps repeating his mistakes, so far he hasn't learned a thing. If he was as clever as some think we'd have beat Derby, Reading and Sunderland yet we came away with one point. At this stage it looks like he's stuck in a time capsule, he's the same manager who only a few months ago had a certain style of play at Bolton and can't adapt. He's still got time to show that he's capable of adapting, I have seen nothing yet to suggest that he can move forward and work at a higher level than he's done in the past. As for us knowing nowt when compared to Allardyce, I think most of us can see what he's doing wrong, he can't. I don't have a problem with him trying things out, I do have a problem with his repeated negative tactics away from home against lesser opposition and I'm sure those tactics have started to rub off on the players during home games as they've lost confidence in themselves.

Yes he's under pressure but I don't think he'll lose his job unless he gets too close to the bottom, at least not until the end of the season. My guess is that he has to get very close to qualifying for Europe to be here next year.

He's really bought into the club and I don't mean financially, I just hope he does what Chris Mort mentioned last week and avoids the kneejerk.

In your opinion is he genuine or as some think, a PR chasing media whore?

I agree, and to those who say it's just PR. bollocks, he wasn't interested in PR before he came here, he had hardly ever been seen before taking over and now, he's not bothered in the slightest if he's seen.

The other bloke is that fat one who is sometimes seen on Sky during the game, I can't remember his name but he's been mentioned on here before.

Less than 6 months ago this bloke was an unknown recluse (allegedly). http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=40533.msg839613#msg839613

From .com Interesting point, actually. A club owner has tacitly come out in favour of standing in seated areas. Interesting, I wonder if that will help the people who are campaigning for safe standing?

Yes, his ex moved to London.

Ashley looks like he's been wearing the colours all his life, he actually looks like an ordinary genuine fan. He’s clearly enjoying going to the games, it will be interesting to see if he returns to the directors box for home games or tries the Gallowgate.