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I do hope nobody actually believes that Roeder really thinks that. So Roeder's a liar? That would go down well with your theory that Luque is heartless wouldn't it? Are you saying that you have not been encouraged by his recent performances? Luque is getting better and better every game he has played this season. I hope it continues. I've only seen bits of ONE of his performances. I'm not saying Roeder is a liar. I'm saying that you have to take what managers say with a big pinch of salt, they may have other motives for saying things. You completely believe that Roeder thinks Butt has a future at NUFC, do you? As for his performances, from what i have gathered, as i haven't bothered this pre-season, he's been alright. Unless he can start the season on fire, i'm not interested. His performances last season were pathetic, and he has a lot to make up. If he wants more time to bed in, tough. Either he's good enough now, or he's not. We'll see in the actual season, won't we. I agree that we should really judge the chances of Luque succeeding at SJP on his performances in the premiership. However, i disagree that his last seasons performances were pathetic. I saw alot of lad play and i'm convinced that his failure to live up to his 9.5m expectation was due to alot of things. One of those was injuries but he did also have alot of time to get fit after that. Another one was bad management under Greame Souness, that is a certainty. I also believe that once the crowd got on his back for not scoring he lost alot of confidence and because of this failed to perform for the rest of the season. I think so far this year we have seen a different Luque. He looks sharper and shown quite a few glimpses of his "old self". However, my biggest worry is that Roeder will sign somone and then forget completely about the talented spaniard. What i'd like him to do is keep the rollercoaster going by easing him into games and playing him with other experianced stars such as Emre,Duff and Nobby. These are the players that can bring him into the game and get the best out of him. If they do that then eventually Luque will be the one bringing others into the game.

I do hope nobody actually believes that Roeder really thinks that. So Roeder's a liar? That would go down well with your theory that Luque is heartless wouldn't it? Are you saying that you have not been encouraged by his recent performances? Luque is getting better and better every game he has played this season. I hope it continues.

If the manger spent time trying to adapt Luque's undoubted talent into the premiership maybe we wouln't have to faulk out 10-12m on at best good players such as Bent and Defoe. Luque has talent and can score goals against top european opposition such as PSV, Real Madrid, AC Milan and Juventus. Why can't he do it for us? Not because he's a mercinary or a heartless person but because under the tenur of Greame Souness we played very little "football". Under Roeder he has significantly improved in my honest opinon and so may it continue. We only need one striker in my opinion as we already have Dyer, Luque, Ameobi,Owen and Duff who can all play up front. What we need is an instinctive striker who will pop up in th right place, the answer is Robbie Keane not Defoe.

When he arrived everyone said he was coming here to earn 60/70k a week. Then reports came out saying that he was on pretty poor wages in spain and 40k was the deal he was getting here. It may have been one of the reasons we opted for him. Although, i don't know the facts on how much he's getting paid.He said he wasn't coming here for the money and the fans inpressed him when we played depor in the inter toto last year. Some fucking mercinary,eh?

We might as well stop buying English players. Owen, Butt, Bramble, Ramage, Chopra bla bla bla, to name a few of those English players who have failed in Newcastle United. No foregin players, no English players. Someone setup an academy in Pluto or Mars please Good point. We have had just as many maybe more english flops, yet we keep on buying them at a steeper price. Why not buy one striker and give Luque his chance. So far this season he has had one performance and 1 goal. That's a 100% record as far as i'm concerned. The situations not complicated, the guy had a poor season because of a horrific injury. Not because he's saddam hussiens evil twin and wants to stay on the bench and earn his 40k a week.

where do you get the info regrads the signing on fee? and how do you know what wages he's getting? His imagination. It would be nice to know though, I have to say. People can scoff at the figures being quoted, as no-one would appear to know, but let's not pretend he's on peanuts and that a signing on fee wouldn't have been generous. Although the opposite is quite possible, it's highly doubtful. That's the problem with buying Chelsea's cast offs, they're used to high wages. By the way, Iam in no way agreeing with the figures quoted by terry. you can if you like :winking: as if he ain't on massive wages. he was clearly swung our way by something.. hmmm what could that be that made owen wanna join on 100k a week or parker on 60k a week or luque on 50k a week dyer 70k a week bluelaugh.gif that spurs itk who broke the news on him coming here before any papers even had a wiff of it, said that spurs told duff and his advisors to **** off when he asked for a massive , in region of 3-4 mill signing on fee because, he could hold out for that in 12 months time when contract had run out. now you can all say yeh right corse he did blah balh...but i followed that story and that itk had it bang on before anyone north of watford even got wind of us being in the race. I thought ten million would have been a decent signing but for 5m we have more than made up for that little extra he wanted in wages. Any spurs fan who is under the illusion that Duff's move was a financial decsion needs to watch the press conference again. The man made up his mind long before money was on the agenda. If Spurs fail to compete fiancially with us then that is their too bad. Duff is our player and we are delighted at the price we got him for.

I'd have him back in a flash. Would give us a little creativity that we are missing in our strikerforce.

SWP? sure but not at the expense of a striker. We desperately need at least one striker. If we had the resources to sort out a deal where by we paid chelsea the money at the end of the coming season then that would be good. First priority must be strikers! Unless we plan on selling Milner.

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I'm baffled as to why Roeder continues to ignore Luque. It makes no sense whatsoever.

Yeah, i think 5 or 6 would be about right. As much as i'd love to see him do well, i just can't see it. However, i must protest about Boa Morte. Last season i would have took him but i'm fine with Zoggy and young Patterson. If we are going to get that kind of money we should get somone like Gareth Barry who can play in both positions.

Maybe he will perform better in the inter toto and the uefa cup (Touches wood) due to the slower pace. Then roeder could use this form in the premierleague.

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Yes I feel the same way about Luque he can unleash that brilliance sometimes and be a match winner and I hope we keep him. I think if we can toughen him up a bit without losing his technical skills he'll be a great asset to us, Owen can also be like that many times, quiet as a mouse for most of the game then all of a sudden he pops in two or three goals and wins the match for us If we have say six strikers which is what any good prem team should have. We would be looking at: Owen - Luque Dyer Ameobi Chopra We should be looking to sign one good striker i.e Kuyt,Bellamy or Gudjohnsen, that for me would be sufficiant for next season. The thing is under Roeder we have looked like scoring goals even with Ameobi and Chopra up front which is a positive thing.

Firstly i will point out that i'm a massive Luque fan, i even have his name on the back of my away top. Trying to be as fair as possible, i think Luque had a decent game. No more, no less. He does tend to give the ball away and doesn't close people down like Scotty Parker or Big Al. However, i simply don't think that is the type of player Luque is. He reminds me of Robert in many ways, un-believable talent but a questionable attitude. Luque in my eyes is the type of player who can un-leash a moment of brilliance at a moments notice, sometimes you won't even know he's in a game until he's scored the winner. Yesterday, i think he showed exactly that. People can't use "A lack of fitness" anymore, it's just not realistic. What does baffle me is why Roeder would leave him out of the team week in week out. Personally, i don't know whether i would like Luque to stay or not. We will soon find out.

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I like to think i'm the kind of supporter who would give people a chance, even if i didn't want them a manager. The truth is Souness simply isn't good enough, there is only so much that supporters can take. I honestly like the guy, his attitude and his will to do well for the club. Not to mention his transfer targets. I hate to say it but he has to go! bluesigh.gif