AyeDubbleYoo

I just get a tea and a kitkat at every game I go to, it's a routine now. Especially cosy in the winter.

Not sure, the main reason I don't get to many home games is where I live. I would go to a lot more if I lived back in toon. I was planning to go to West Brom away but their prices took the piss.

I think I love you Fantastic post.

I'm not sure, I thought the 's' should only be on 'agents', but I can't remember my French that well. This is a better discussion than the actual thread by the way!

One of the only things I can't defend Ashley for is offering Kinnear a long contract - I can't explain it for the life of me.

Or is this a masterpiece of post-modern irony? Complaining about 'agents provocateur' while being one himself? Genius.

What the fuck has 'the consensus in street' got to do with forming your own view anyway? That's the last way you want any of your principles to be decided.

For the record, my viewpoint's a bit biased due to my sexual relationship with Dennis Wise. Worst thread of 2009 contender already?

You're not going to get into any individual arguments eh, just write off anyone who doesn't share your viewpoint? Excellent discussion board that would make. The OP is just so ridiculous I don't know where to start TBH. Why on earth would anyone want to argue against 'the consensus on the street?'. You've got me there, obviously if a lot of other people believe something I have to go along with it even if I disagree! Jesus wept.

That's spot on basically, he looked to be the perfect owner and I still don't want to let go of that. I think he can get things back on track... the principles are all sound. And now he knows about how explosive fan reaction can be!

But what if my belief is that the protests will be harmful and futile? Then surely I would be sticking to my principles much more by not attending? To be honest I'm not bothered if I come across as one of those people that 'boil your piss' or not, my reasons for thinking the protest is a bad idea are clear. Another example, shared by NUSC it seems, of the basic assumption that everyone must want Ashley out. I'm not staying away from protesting because I want Ashley out but think the protest won't work. I'm staying away because I want to give him a chance to make things work. Where are you getting the idea they think EVERYONE wants Ashley out? I don't mean literally every single person, what I mean is a lot of people assume that it's the only sensible viewpoint. I've got this impression from listening to the NUSC meeting and many responses I've read on this forum. I don't think I'm wrong on this one. They have repeatedly asked for dialogue and engagement with Ashley. The reported from the Mirror also commented how the club don't even reply to press e mails. It's no longer an Ashley out one agenda organization. It has to be realistic and open to ideas to work. That is why it is growing. Mistakes are always made and they have owned up to their mistakes which imo is a good sign. Fair enough, we'll have to agree to disagree, don't want to go over the same argument yet again. To me any move towards reconciliation seems to be token at best. Why say you want communication, then get some, then still organise a protest rally?

But what if my belief is that the protests will be harmful and futile? Then surely I would be sticking to my principles much more by not attending? To be honest I'm not bothered if I come across as one of those people that 'boil your piss' or not, my reasons for thinking the protest is a bad idea are clear. Another example, shared by NUSC it seems, of the basic assumption that everyone must want Ashley out. I'm not staying away from protesting because I want Ashley out but think the protest won't work. I'm staying away because I want to give him a chance to make things work. Where are you getting the idea they think EVERYONE wants Ashley out? I don't mean literally every single person, what I mean is a lot of people assume that it's the only sensible viewpoint. I've got this impression from listening to the NUSC meeting and many responses I've read on this forum. I don't think I'm wrong on this one.

But what if my belief is that the protests will be harmful and futile? Then surely I would be sticking to my principles much more by not attending? To be honest I'm not bothered if I come across as one of those people that 'boil your piss' or not, my reasons for thinking the protest is a bad idea are clear. Another example, shared by NUSC it seems, of the basic assumption that everyone must want Ashley out. I'm not staying away from protesting because I want Ashley out but think the protest won't work. I'm staying away because I want to give him a chance to make things work.

Not sure about this, it might worth just giving Hughton and Calderwood a go rather than brining in another outdated, past it manager who will need to be ousted at the end of the season. I don't think Hughton/Calderwood is tangibly worse than Kinnear in terms of keeping us up.

They're suffering from the problem a lot of pressure groups face at the moment. In the heat of a crisis it seems a brilliant idea, but once the initial hysteria dies down most people are prepared to move on, where they just continue to look more and more desperate.

Completely agree. Yes, people have 'the right' to protest, whatever that really means - but that doesn't mean we have to just accept their actions without criticism. IMO this rally is completely idiotic and the timing is horrible. We just got our first win for ages on the board, confidence might be on the up, the manager is in hospital awaiting critical surgery and the best we can do is hang around the monument providing the tabloids with more shit to print about Newcastle. Let's just hope not many people actually turn up.

Aye, it's pretty serious stuff. TBH I feel bad even discussing a 'post-Kinnear' appointment at this point. Think we should lay off it until we know he's OK.

I'm just hoping now that MA has decided that he can't/won't sell that he will pull out the stops for a proper manager. Only worry is he might not know who the proper managers are!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/gossip_and_transfers/7882800.stm What, that can't be right? Mike Ashley is trousering the clubs money and Shepherd was just out to spend his personal wealth on making us a success! Wasn't he?

Does the transfer window not apply to U18s or something then?

Truth. Can't see him coming back, at least not in time to have any meaningful impact on this season. Not sure what the club can do though, can't exactly replace a contracted manager when he's off sick. Suppose they could keep paying him and get someone else in as well.

Jeez, all the best to Joe if he's having serious surgery like that. Can't see him managing again if that is true, to be honest.

Ideal people manager then!