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https://www.espn.com/soccer/english-premier-league/story/4722849/how-var-decisions-have-affected-every-premier-league-club-in-2022-23 https://github.com/kennethleungty/English-Premier-League-VAR-Analysis https://www.premierleague.com/news/1293321 For starters.
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In my opinion, reading through the rules quoted by @NUFC, it was correct. I'd go as far as saying the examples of goals that have stood in similar cirumstances were the incorrect decisions.
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This misconception is what really bothers me about all this, I think. It's just not the fact. VAR has led to a decreased impact. VAR is continually informing the refs on matters as the game goes on, it's just when they call an official VAR review that it gets "in your face" and people take notice. It's just something new, bright and shiny to blame for decisions not going "your" way. This is just a straight up lie. Correct decisions are up 12% on average across a season, that means VAR is ensuring that the players on the pitch and what they do are what decide who wins the league and who gets relegatated and not a shit referee. "The election was stolen", "Jet fuel can't melt steel beams" ad infinitum. The "top six" have fewer ref decisions go their way after the introduction of VAR, it clearly does the opposite and is removing "top club" bias (unless the "top club" is named Liverpool). Now this post here, this post is the truth of the matter. Give VAR to a better standard of referees and you won't have these issues. VAR is still run by ordinary humans who are absolutely shit at their job. This complaint I can 100% get behind. Our shit league in Norway that nobody cares about have spent three years training all league approved referees on how to use VAR. How much training does the PL referee staff have? I checked the PL's official VAR FAQ... What qualifies as a “clear and obvious error”? There was no unanimity among the referees. Different VARs came up with different outcomes. I concede I mean, what the fuck? There's actually no set rules for how the PL VARs intervene? Alright, fuck PL's version of VAR I'm onboard the hate train now.
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If you read my post you will find that the clear context of me saying that is following stating that it is now being introduced in Norway after fans have pushed for it for years. I was actually saying that, to my knowledge (and I may be wrong as I don't live in those countries and read their press daily), England seems to be the only countries hating on VAR on a regular basis. Which to me makes it feel like it's a referee standard problem, not really a VAR problem.
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The PL is in another league entirely when it comes to VAR being used horribly, tbf. To my knowledge (happy to be proven wrong by any natives of those countries) the English are the only ones really complaining as well. The Norwegian league is introducing VAR this season, everybody is happy as fuck with it and can't wait for it to come into action. Fans have been demanding it being used for years now.
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I mean, every industry, medium and platform are extremely different. It's the basic concept being compared, not the lenght of the overreaction. The comparison is that these people are being contrary for the sake of being contrary whilst not acknowledging the fairly obvious positive aspects of the change, postive aspects that outweigh the negative ones.
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tl;dr, I feel people complaining about VAR are the same people that would compain about UI changes on Facebook and/or Instagram until, after a good while, admitting that the changes made the user experience better after all.
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Happily admit I went a bit OTT with the whinge part I just feel a lot of people on a general basis just oppose "change" no matter what, just because it's not what they've been used to. I can see your point of view on it "not being the same" and all that, but to me, it is. It is essentially just another factor in the game of football that could lead to a disallowed goal or overturned decision. There are other pre-existing factors that could do that as well prior to VAR, like if the ref handed out a red card, the linesman calls the ref over and proceeding to tell him how he saw the incident - then it being changed to a yellow. Same goes for penalties given/not given. VAR is just a lot more visible than those factors were due to the stoppage in game (which on average is only 50 seconds, which is not a lot considering that certain incidents run that average up due to taking a couple of minutes - which in turn increases the negative perception those who already view VAR unfavorably holds). This season we have had 2 goals changed from disallowed to allowed due to VAR. We have had 3 goals disallowed due to VAR. We have scored 39 goals this season, that means we run a current 1 in 13 risk of having a goal overturned due to VAR interference. We have a 1 in 19.5 chance of having a goal changed from disallowed to a goal due to VAR interference. Statistically we have a goal disallowed due to VAR every 8.6 games this season. We score on average 1.5 goals a game. I'm not going to conciously or subconciously withold celebration for something that almost never happens just because it could happen. To me it just feels like being contrary for the sake of being contrary, because looking at the actual numbers and facts, there's absolutely no need to feel that way. As said, goals more often get disallowed due to good old fashioned linesmen flagging for offsides more often than VAR interference. Going back to your first point, you don't know the outcome of VAR checking the goal before you get a VAR review alert. Usually the initial euphoria has already receded by that point, it doesn't remove it. You thought it was a goal, perhaps it turns out it wasn't. Your experience isn't diminished unless you conciously allow it to be diminished by expecting every goal to be overturned, when they quite cleary aren't I, for one, would rather have correct decisions decide the outcome of a game of football rather than the opposite and defending that viewpoint by saying refereeing mistakes "are a part of the game". They shouldn't be if they don't have to be. The fact VAR has had a positive effect on lowering the amount of horrid tackles happening due to players being aware that they'll be penalized by VAR even if the ref doesn't spot the incident is just another positive side effect.
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Clubs change to circular badges to make production costs lower, so I have no doubt we'll be doing that sooner rather than later too as we seem to want to generate as much funds as possible to skirt around FFP rules.
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So far this season there has been 35 disallowed goals due to VAR. 707 goals have been scored so far this season. That means that there's 1 goal disallowed by VAR for every 20.2 goals scored so far this season. 22 goals have been overturned to goals due to VAR this season. That means there's 1 goal that wouldn't have stood without VAR for every 32.1 goals scored so far this season. The chances of VAR overturning a goal are statistically much smaller than the chance of an offside decision ruling out a goal. It's not about an "inherent understanding of the game". It's about a self-inflicted reluctance to change and wanting something to whine about, being perfectly honest. I've never once not celebrated a goal after the introduction of VAR because "the spectre of a VAR-influenced chalking-off was looming over literally every goal", because I have no need to. The statistical chance of VAR ruling out a goal is lower than the chance of the linesman raising his flag. VAR doesn't "loom over" anything. If it's a goal, it's a goal. If it isn't a goal, it isn't a goal. That's how I want things to be. VAR isn't perfect yet, but as mentioned, the amount of correct decisions made is up to 94% from 82% on average over a PL season. I much prefer 6 in 100 decisions being wrong than 18 in 100. Not gonna stop celebrating goals just because they might get ruled out, never did before VAR and never will with VAR.
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If you look at the core numbers for the 19/20 and 20/21 seasons, VAR was unfavorable towards the "Big 6" teams and favorable towards their opponents - by the number of overturned decisions by VAR. In those two seasons, Newcastle placed 5th on favorable overturn decisions. This season so far, Newcastle are placed 4th on favorable overturn decisions. Tottenham are 19th, Man City 18th, Arsenal 13th, Man Utd 11th, Chelsea 10th and Liverpool 3rd. Prior to VAR the average "correct" decisions made by the referees over a PL season was 82%. It's risen to 94% after VAR was introduced. On average, fewer penalties are given with VAR than without VAR. The amount of red cards have decreased on average, theoretically due to players knowing it is harder to get away with obvious fouls with VAR in effect. I can't find it, but I recall from a previous discussion on the matter that on average VAR overturns a lino's wrong offside call more often than the other way around. That stat was globally though, not PL specific.
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I disagree with the concept you "can't celebrate" a goal due to VAR existing. It's the same core principle as saying you couldn't "celebrate" a goal in the past because the linesman might've raised the offside flag and you didn't notice before celebrating, so what is the point of celebrating until you see the linesman keeps his flag down? Or what if the ref blows his whistle a few seconds after you've burst into celebration? Can't celebrate before we know the ref doesn't blow his whistle. It's a self-enforced "punishment" that doesn't need to be there. You knew goals could be disallowed for tons of reasons in the past, yet you wouldn't withold your immediate reaction to the goal because of that. The only downside is it takes longer for a goal to be disallowed or not with VAR, however, if VAR worked as intended the game would be a lot more fair overall. I didn't see any of the NUFC fans not celebrating spontaniously when the disallowed goal went in, if you don't celebrate because of some weird issue with "VAR might disallow it" then that's a personal issue, not an issue with VAR. Just fucking celebrate and enjoy the game and then deal with the disappointment after if the goal is disallowed, just as you would've back in the days before VAR where a late offiside call might've disallowed it.
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Having been to dinner with Pardew when CSKA Sofia played Bodø/Glimt back in 2021, I have very little negative to say about the entertainment value of his patter. Absolutely displays all signs of a full-fledged narcissist however, every subject, no matter how unrelevant, somehow ended up about him And for what it's worth, which is absolutely nothing, he does appear to absolutely loathe Mike Ashley with a passion. Said he got absolutely no support from him whatsoever and they were left to drown on a sinking ship. The guy clearly lacks the self-insight to realise he boarded that ship willingly, knowing it was already leaking, but yeah
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/CpOi74fKlia/ I didn't have anywhere near the footage I for some reason thought I had Ah well, this'll do.
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Interested: Yes People: Let's just say 2 just in case Ticket: If "Yes" as in need, then yes. Hotel: Yes, 1 or 2. Weekend Food: Yes Weekend Activities: Yes Dates you cannot attend: I'll fly out whenever, fuck everything else.
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I found a place that served Skittles. It tasted kinda like Skittles.
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Blaze is indeed a hero, nice family as well the lucky fucker.
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I managed to catch my train. Weirdest fucking night after I left Pata and Brad and went to the hotel I was back in bed at like 4am
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This has easliy been my best "holiday" in life so far. I'm sat in my hotel room and can barely comprehend all the events that've somehow taken place across what's not even three full days.
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That was the plan Couldn't find anyone though
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I think I unashamedly just started pulling my jacket out from under you at some point without even a "I think you're sitting on my jacket, could you move a bit?" and seem to recall you kinda just falling over to the side. If I did, then my apologies I think Branko saw me struggling at one point during the match, seem to recall him going "you okay mate?" and me barely registering the question. That's the fucking danger of alcohol, you keep on drinking because you feel it's barely even registering so why the hell not keep going at the same pace? Then fucking bam it's Goodnight, Vienna
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you were the guy asleep on the sofa with a hoodie over his head? Had no chance seeing your face so sorry for not saying a proper hello. Had a similar scenario to KI last night. I'd downed about 5-6 pints of cider, some various drinks ranging from pornstar martini to frozen pina coladas before the match had started. Left at full time to drop some stuff off at the hotel, felt kinda ill, thought "I'll take a 30 minute nap" - then I open my eyes again and it's midnight
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Went for a hotel as Ameritoon said, didn't want to have the airbnb host not get his place rented out due to me waiting to see if somebody wanted to split, then the first reply was my profile pic and nobody responded
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x 2 Thinking of you and wishing you the best my man! Even if you're a filthy manipulating traitor