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I am sure a similar post would have been made if we were to have won, just more tactful. The Liverpool fans were shite today and there is on denying that. One club was outclassed on the ptich whereas the other was outcassed off it, the only problem was from a NUFC point of view was that off the pitch is where we more successful.

Cracking staring post tbh. The "Singing Section" humiliated them today as did other sections of the crowd such as The Gallowgate. 5-1 and they were still outsung, they certaintly are now better than the "Unaated" fans imo, if anything they are worse...

Toon Ultras were also criticised to be acting as if they were the spokesperson of the people and apparenl they were causing a divide also, the same sort of shite has been spouted about these NUSC lads and lasses and tbh I think it's more because people are frightened of change or anything new rather than what the groups actually stand for.

Instead of being negative, I must say the Phoenix "Bouncers" still appeared to be there today yet the stewarding was perfect imo. Well done to all the staff involved...

I not a member of the NUSC however I thought they did the very best they could today. NUSC is very much like Toon Ultras in the way it is heavily criticised and the way it openly speaks its mind if that makes sense. People should give them a chance imo.

The NUSC did a very decent thing today soting out a fundraiser for SBR. I think they deserve credit for that at least. It was them who made today remotely a SBR day and they even offered us (Toon Ultras) an opportunity which we could not refuse but could not organise either. They seem to have the correct intentions and I think alot of people are stereotyping them to say "they think they speak for all of us" just because it's what someone thye know says....

He needs to back his the Manager whoever he desires it to be, he needs to appoint Mort as Chairman, because he actually communicates with the fans, and he needs to make it clear what his intentions are. I don't think fucing off Wise is a necessity tbh, the players he has picked out seem to be doing alright imo.

I reckon we should actually go at them in this game. Play 3-5-2 like the following: Given Taylor Coloccini Edgar Gutierrez Guthrie Butt N'zogbia Duff Owen Viduka/Carroll Have Colo' playing the spare man at the back to sweep and the other two could mark man for man. Butt to be the holding player providing cover for the back 3 and then you have Guthrie and Charlie who can link up with the front two hen the big man holds the ball up. I reckon with 2 of our full backs knackered and being at home we should just make a go of it and try to beat them instead of trying to settle for less. Anyone can beat anyone in this league....

There's just as many thugs on the doors nowadays tbf, it's just as you get older you recognise them more and you gain a knowledge for what bars they will be on. I think it's a little unfair when it's likely that lads and lasses who disagree with sitting will now begin to be rejected entry to bars basically because the same bouncers are working the stands on a match day. Not that this has definately happened that I know of but I can certaintly see it happening. There was never a problem last season or the season before when 2 blocks stood in Level 7 of the Leazes....or when we have stood in "The Corner" on cup and friendly matches. So to say it is just because people are standing now and not sitting is a little bit rash. No-one is saying people are wrong for stating the rules, we all know the rules, but like previously mentioned people don't agree with them therefore they stand in protest. If people don't like standing they will most likely tell the person in front or behind and i'm sure the majority will at least move to let them see past. I know I have done and will continue to do that. People just want to be able to have the choice, and stand as a protest to being told to sit, perfect example is just last weekend...when say 1,500 were standing there was no problems or anything people just backed the team. Then one bouncer stupidly got stuck into someone causing a mini uproar, then the stewards lined up with the bouncers either side, and as soon as that happened an extra 3,000 rose to their feet. If people were so irritated and annoyed by people standing then surely they wouldn't rise to their defence immediately. I am certain 99% of those who attend matches regularly would all agree that people should be able to choose and not be forced to remain seated all game. By the way I completely agree with someones post earlier when one of you claimed that crowds are self policed. I know by personal experience that when I used to sit in the middle tier of the Leazes I would stand and shout and ball for at least 20minutes of a game (if all added up) and when told to sit down and stop blocking peoples view everyone in my block who were sitted would tell the stewards to fuck off because I was supporting the team and I actually respected that people were sitting so I sat as much as I felt I could without enjoying myself. I moved to the singing section with the view that standing and singing came hand in hand and by going up there I was with like-minded supporters, and I was right, the only time there has been problems is when heavy handed stewarding and policing has came into play. There is a very small minority of people who would actually go up there for trouble, I would say 99.9% go up there to lose their voice supporting a team they love. (not saying people don't sing in other parts of the ground but they certaintly don't sing as much as everyone up there).

Of course I've heard about boycotting, I haven't heard anybody trying to get parts of the ground closed down though. You need to think about what the club have done, they've given you the singing section you wanted and you're now kicking them in the bollocks for it. They went much further than anybody wanted because they knew that younger people don't get paid as much as the older fans. They've done something which was promised by Sir John Hall but never implemented, they've introduced prices to suit every pocket, or at least gone a hell of a way to doing so. Your argument isn’t with the club, it’s with the government and the local council, the club have no option but to enforce the no standing rule and that's not me condoning an arsehole who thinks he can assault people for standing. I was never condoning shutting part of the ground either, why cant you see that, are you too blind or something, I was merely putting it in as a rather poorly thought out suggestion that other members of this forum have double standards. We knows it's not the club we are arguing with, but at the end of the day you have to get on the clubs back to get them on side and other clubs alike, otherwise nowt will ever change. Until clubs get on the fans side about standing then no-one will ever get anywhere...if the club gets on side and other clubs follow suit eventually the governement will have to at leastput an investigation into it to see if it is worh following the efforts of the Germans with safe standing stadia. Anyways, I'm going 'nd wont be back on before Christmas so hope you have a good one lads......

You're the only person that I've ever seen mention it anywhere. Multiply the number of people sitting in that end by the reduction and I'm sure it will be well over £500,000 per season. I sit in the Leazes but not Level 7 although I have done but not since the singing section came about. I mentioned the worst view because somebody else had said it, I agree that it isn't but the reduction in prices has nothing to do with the view. It was to make it easier for younger people to attend games, you've shown the club were right to put some faith in you. All I'm saying is that if the price goes up, remember why. The ticket allocation has nothing to do with the club, it's Middlesbrough Council. Fair enough with most of them, but it would probably be more like £300,000 a year... You can not possibly tell me you never heard anyhting about boycotting games during that whole shite with Keegan though....

Aye I couldn't agree more mate, I never areed with protesting against Ashley and all that tbh, I was just using it to say like some people have double standards on here... I just think people need to remember what the games werelike when they were younger, and need to understand what younger lads enjoy doing...which is actually exactly the same is 20/30 year ago. And nar that's not necessarily The Clash, Rolling Stones ,Doctor Martins and skinheads/hairys.

I'm sure many peoples opinions on that matter were very different when the Keegan saga was ongoing. That's all I'm getting at. People seem to forget where they stood 3 months ago...

I know i'm stubborn, but at least I take peoples opinions on board.... bloody hell man....

I've never condoned or said I would be happy for sections to be closed I merely made a suggestion that if people wanted Ashley out that bad like people originally claimed then a lack of ticket sales would hit him where it hurts. When you think there is only half the police needed to cover the away fans now because of their location next to the glass I bet they are saving from that anyways, so I doubt the cost is that great for a few thousand people. Also, whether it is the worst view in the ground is debateable, I would say its worse being front row than being back row to a certain degree. Can I ask you (not being funny) where do you actually sit, how often and have you ever sat in the singing section? It' just out of curiosity. I wouldn;t moan about ticket prices going to the same as what I paid last year in the Middle Tier of the Leazes behind he goal. I moved to the singing section for the atmosphere not for a view or for the price...but I won't lie...the price was an extra point which lured me away. Also about boro too, didn't we get a 3,000 allocation back this year again? People at the club, especially at clubs like boro where nee fucker turns up, are more bothered about them earning than a few thousand people standing imo. They know how far they can push.

We do though. Because if you don't they'll take your ticket off you. It depends how many are standing really... You're confusing "mob rule" with democracy then. In a way a democracy relies on a mob rule in order to sustain any form of hierarchy. It's alway the majority who win in a democracy....i.e. when we vote for labour or conservative...very different but very similar...if you get me..

We do though. Because if you don't they'll take your ticket off you. It depends how many are standing really...

Okay i'll admit some of my earlier comments were a bit rash and I fell into the traps people set out...but you are all still failing to see my point.... I understand what you are all getting at, but all I am saying is why shouldn't people protest....we don't HAVE to sit back and just do what we are always told, that's why we live in a democracy. So by standing up against the rules people see that as their way of protesting against the current rules so that tey are changed to suit everyone...

People understand the consequences, being lamped isn't one of them though, and i'm sure that's what the uproar is mainly about, (i'm not saying you condone it here either). The thing is, if you tell people in writing to stand up for a game in protest, you could have hundreds of thousands do it on one day up and down the country....but then you run the risk of being arrested for inciting violence/public disorder or something. After doing a united we stand protest we kind of got a bit of a telling off the police, yet if thousands of blacks or a certain other group of people protest they seem to have no repercussions (sp?). I think considering we live in a democracy we shuld all have the right to peacefully protest, which is what we did on the afore mentioned march, yet we sill got told we could be arrested and we were dealt with rather heavy handedly on the day. So despite people understanding the consequences they feel they should have a right to the choice, what other way can you think of which would be affective? As I am sure you wouldn't mind people having the choice to stand if there was an allocated area for like minded fans...

No I have not & the only person online I know is Nixon. Yes the ground getting closed will make Keith Harris find a buyer more easily. Anyone with sense would only buy food or drink in the ground if they really have to, as it is over priced s****. Lets not mix working class up with scummy charva's ay. The bloke got took away by the Police man. Yous were singing "HATE COCKNEYS" at them a few times were was the love then. Yeah well sit down or it may go. People who stand are going to make the work of the Ultra's/Bring Back The Noise end, DO YOU UNDERSTAND? You don't offended me at all, however Liam O has sent me a PM & he is really upset by all this Charvas are part of the working class, or some of them are at least. As for the end I was just trying to display it wasn't a hatred for yous it was a hatred of the opinions you were giving, but you're entitled to them I guess, no matter hwo shite thy are. People who stand are not preventing the BBTN lads from achieving their goal, they are helping because when youlook around hardly anyone who is sitting ever appears to be singing, I'm sure you stand the majority of time you're singing too, even if it is only for 2 or 3 minutes a game. People sing for a good 60minutes in the singing section so they will stand for 60 minutes most likely. If the singing section goes the same people will still sit or stand together, just like they did last season and the one before that. As for the anti-cockney stuff, it's known as banter, when it actually mattered we were all football fans. Anti-opposition chants are part of football, and part of what makes a football match a more unique experience compared to other sporting events. Going back to the whole grudge thing, It was a bit daft of me to say because I was making more of an assumption, however the same names pop up all the time when the BBTN lads are criticised, and its a bit pathetic, thanfully it's the minority these days though, because the majority on here are sound and actually seem to support our aims and goals. Everyone knows the rules and regulations of standing, but pople should have the choice to do either, and that is why people stand up in protest. If you were passionate about something else in your life you would make some sort of protest too, fathers for justice and aal that sorta thing. If people are passionate they will protest against things they find unfair...

Possibly the worst debate attempt I've seen anyone put forward on here. Absolutely pathetic effort. Not really, if you wanted to affect Ashleys bank account then ticket sales was the first solution raised at the top of all this shite with Ashley. Which I didn't agree with, yet plenty people said boycott the games then....

No, I'm saying you're trying to suggest that people think that is the case when clearly no one does, then saying other peoples' arguments are stupid & hilarious. Oh yes, its so 'hilarious', so do you think people would come on here, read through the thread, and genuinly be laughing, because its so so 'hilarous' & 'comedy gold'? Tbf I began with that and it was a daft comment to make. It was ment in a more sarcastic manner though. I just find it ridiculous how narrow minded people are about our support...our own fans...fans who don't aim to cause trouble, just stand up for what they believe in, quite literally....

So you condone a steward hitting a fan?

There's a surprise, more ignorance...

LMFAO The stupidity of some of your arguments are hilarious. Fair enough I'm not going to change any points of view with this ran, because you're probably stubborn old fuckers who have forgot what it was like when you used to go as a young'n but aye, anyways.... The people backing up the stewards on this one are all either employed or have been previously employed by the club as stewards, also they have somehting against the bring back the noise lads. It is NOT law to remain seated in football stadia, however the club can suffer fines and risk getting the ground closed due to losing its safety certificate. Which I must admit I don't wish to happen. However, how many of you whinged about Ashley and wanted him out? If he gets fined, if the ground gets closed and he doesn't get ticket sales, maybe he'll have to fuck off slightly sharper? Double standards if you ask me when half of you probably complained about people buying a fucking pie at half time because you wanted him out. When our away fans stand everywhere else in the country, there is never a problem, similar with other fans I have seen travel away. I used to go into the unofficial singing section last year, where the Toon Ultras sat/stood and there was never any bother, unfortunately some more charvas decided to tag onto this. However, should only middle-class people be able to attend? Should they fuck. Check the history of the game, and you will find it is/was a working class sport for working class people, so why the fuck should less fortunate people not be allowed to support the team they love? These so called scummy people have been going for years, even since you were a kid, when there was even more violence and hooliganism. Since when was attacking someone for not sitting down acceptable? When is anything ever going to change until people rebel, and protest. The singing of "Stand up if you love football" was a stroke of genius from who ever began singing it on the spot, it was veyr basic, caught on quick and it united both sets of fans in their love of the game. It worked, really quickly too. For anyone who has sat in the singing section this year, they can clarify the effect it has made, it's getting stronger and stronger and louder and louder. People who have never sat there seem to have a fear of accepting how good it is/can be. The largest problem about this standing issue is the government and laws about standing at football games. How come you can stand for Rod Stewart in the North West Corner of St James' but not for Newcastle United? At the end of the day I am sure a good 75% of those standing in the singing section would happily admit people have every right to sit and watch if they choose, they just believe they should have the right to stand if they like too. Considering the likes of thespence and Liam Oh were PROBABLY the ones criticising the Toon Ultras for their narrow mindedness and slagging off other fans, I think you need to take a good look at yourselves first. As it would appear the "bring back the noise" lads are the ones creating a unity with not only their on fans but other ses of fans too not causing a divide like you PROBABLY originally, and still do claim. Apologies if I have offended either of the members mentioned, I just think your hatred for these lads who want to make a difference is extremely annoying, ignorant and damn right pathetic. Apart from that have a Merry Christmas and a happy new year.