Pilko

Agree that it's hard to quantify. I don't think it's a co-incidence either fwiw, you're basically weighing up the perceived value of Dubs ability with his feet on our play/form versus the perceived risk of him making a clanger as soon as he's seriously tested. I've never massively rated Dubs and for me the latter outweighs the former, but others may have a different take on it.

He's not playing out of his skin either, he's barely been tested. I agree he's better with the ball at his feet than Pope but I can't shake the risk of Dubs throwing one in soon as we start conceding some meaningful chances, which will happen at some point.

People have short memories. Remember when a returning Pope sat on the bench late last season for several games despite Dubravka looking shit, then away at Man U Dubravka was at fault for two goals that arguably cost us a European place? Then Pope plays at Burnley three days later. I'm glad Dubs has been steady and not made any errors but Pope is the superior keeper by a mile and should come back in soon as he's fit.

Totally understand the logic of keeping him til the summer especially if there's no fee involved but a new contract is a genuinely mental decision. He was absolutely trash last season, cost us numerous points and suddenly because he's managed to not throw in about 6-7 routine shots on target against him in a run when we've defended superbly and he's done a couple of decent passes people think he should be first choice, sell Pope, new contract it's insanity.

Must be a red and white striped thing. Some big factories in Sheffield so presumably they're all on t'backshift.

Dyche would have 0-0'd them to safety, just, I think. Moyes will do it slightly more comfortably if he gets it.

All depends on when Pope is due back and how long we can keep Al Shabab in a holding pattern before they move onto other targets, I suppose. Odysseas will be fine for Sunday, an international with Champions League experience should be trusted to play versus a League 2 side at home. It's whether Pope is available for Wolves or Bournemouth. I'm sure I read he's expected to be available for Bournemouth, so the options are gambling on the Greek for one league game or agreeing with Al Shabab that he can move the day after Wolves.

A 5'7 technical centre mid going to the Championship, however talented, is a flip of a coin. It's a shite league but it's full of massive cloggers and he could just get kicked to fuck.

Expecting a mental Spurs game here. Think they'll take the lead but Liverpool to run out 2-4 winners.

Looked very emotional there, if indeed that's his final bow it's a great way to go out for us.

You'd imagine if Pope is due back for Wolves on 15th Jan we can safely roll the Greek out against Bromley on Sunday.

A new contract

Hudson Odoi did class there tbf. Another for Woodsy.

Did the commentator just say "soaking up the jizz"?

His marking on the corner for West Ham's first goal is genuinely one of the worst bits of individual defending I've seen from someone with more than 10 senior games under their belt. Frightens the life out of me going into the Arsenal game but I'd rather play him than risk losing Botman by overdoing it with him. Got to hope he just had a bad day and he's better than that showing.

I'd go: Dubravka; Trippier, Kelly, Burn, Hall; Longstaff, Tonali, Willock; Murphy, Isak, Gordon Then for Bromley: Odysseas; Livramento, Schar, Botman, Targett; Bruno, Miley, Joelinton; Willock, Osula, Barnes with a strong bench including Isak, Tonali, Murphy, Gordon, Tripps, Hall etc in case we need them to see the tie out.

Joe's hand is by his side though, De Ligt may as well be doing a Shearer celebration

The one time I want these cunts to win at Anfield ffs.

The way I see it Liverpool will win the league anyway, even with the odd comedy Anfield defeat, but I want Man U absolutely buried in misery for as long as possible.

Never a foul or a yellow that. But funny

There's a dingo getting a good kicking on Ramsay Street tonight, mate

Basketball shot that easily a pen

Wasn't de Ligt meant to be good? He's just as much of a carthorse as Maguire.

Get the feeling that when Liverpool get the first the floodgates could open.

Wouldn't he need to be signed in time for the first leg of the EFL cup semi to feature in the second leg? I'm sure there's a rule like that unless it was an old FA Cup rule about replays.