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Was kind of hoping everything would crash and burn, and we could all enjoy some post apocalyptic footy. Ho hum.

This is the one. I had dragged a few mates from my Uni to watch this and I had to apologise to them after the game

This is such a punch to the gut. It's the feeling of powerlessness that get's you. The premier league is the premier league, it's not like people will stop watching football. What a shit way for this all to end.

If this happens I can finally get a season ticket again I was beginning to lose hope of ever seeing the back of Ashley.

happy enough to ignore his total shithousery to sheff wed then? and his previous record for fucking clubs over to further his own ambition nice guy steve Shithousery? All I've read is speculation. I’m not sure I agree. Pretty much everyone I have spoken too about NUFC are angry, some won’t even talk about it anymore because the anger is that bad. I’m even coming across fans of other clubs who are starting to agree with us, I thinks it’s the case that allowing Rafa to leave has made fans of other clubs sit up and take notice. My stepdad worked with Bruce’s brother, and you are right, he’s a Newcastle fan. However any self respecting fan should have looked at the bigger picture, Keegan, Shearer, and Rafa all told him not to take the job on. He ignored the advice of what are now 3 legends of the club. Let's see how angry everyone is once we've made a few more signings and the season is upon us. Rightly or wrongly, I can almost guarantee you that the anger will have simmered and there'll be at least 45k at the Arsenal game. People just want to watch their team... it's a simple as that. You've got to remember that at least 75% of that stadium on a match day will leave the ground and barely give NUFC another thought until the next match. They're not all "die hard", "read everything on the internet" kinds of fans. Sure, some are. But most, and certainly those I've spoken to, are just too busy in their day to day lives to really get angry enough. Rightly or wrongly, at lot of people's attitudes are simply "life's too short" to worry too much about it. I can see it from both sides. Too busy in their lives to consider whether they are being robbed blind. I can believe that. Yeah, 100%. Most match day customers are relatively casual fans in comparison to people on this forum. Most just want to go to the football. It's an emotional, communal thing for them. They enjoy it, regardless of the ownership. Depressing and true. I don't know the reasons why, though I'm sure it revolves around wider social/societal factors (maybe ticket prices/wealth), but the matchgoing percentage of the fanbase doesn't have the mentality to protest en masse like people have done in Italy and Germany. That's an interesting point. I've been wondering why our fans are willing to take so much while other clubs actually manage to have united organised protests. Wonder if the location of the stadium is a factor as well.

But if that "less revenue" is enough to mean the club makes him a loss rather than a profit, his whole reason for owning us disappears. It doesn't have to reduce his income to zero. Just enough to make us a millstone around his neck rather than a cash cow for him. Saying "but other revenue is more" is completely missing the point. Ticket revenue wouldn't be the difference between profit and loss How can you type that with a straight face? According to the latest released figures for 2017/18, we made an operating profit of £17.6m Ticket revenues were £24m So yes, on its own and without looking at anything else, ticket revenue absolutely is the difference between profit and loss for Mike Ashley. A further £28m was brought in through sponsorship, and trust me if you've got an empty stadium and nobody buying shirts then that takes a hit too. Add in further that if we go down, he looses the TV money and we'd all agree that a full stadium decreases the likelihood of relegation but to be honest to get shot of him it's a price I'd accept in a heartbeat to have my club back. In summary: Don't talk utter rot. I didn't look at the accounts Is that total profit of the club in the 2017-2018 season then? £17.6m? If we do make a loss, then the debt goes up by the way, which means the price goes up which means its even more difficult for a potential buyer. Not going wouldn't work. But even if it would work it wouldn't work.

And this is where I and it looks like the majority of people on this thread are completely different then. I'm sorry but you sound completely deluded. You don't support a football cub because it's successful or not! Why do you think that fans all over the country go to games, they don't have success, they support their football because they love it. This is why we get called deluded You missed my point, which was if you love the club you want what's best for it. I don't think you particularly care as long as you can keep going to the games. What was the banner we made? We don't demand a team that wins, we demand a club that tries. A big difference there. And apparently what's best for it, is just to boycott it, stop supporting it and for some fans actively wish it loses football games... Thats not what supporting your club is about. I want my club to be successful ofcourse but sometimes you have to live in the real world, not every football club is successful Boycotting to try and enact a positive change for the club that we love, so we can change the decline that we've all seen. Trying rather than sitting back and just taking this shit from Ashley. I just don't get your point that it's ok to be scrape by, it's like you're missing the entire point of sport. The point is to get excited and to dream for the best. You work so you can achieve something. Imagine telling any professional football player with any dignity that the club they've just joined isn't bothered about competing. Every club has a target it aims for, it want's to build on what it has achieved. Newly promoted clubs aim to avoid relegation and in doing so they win, but then they will seek to build and progress. You don't seem to care that we're in a terrible decline.

And this is where I and it looks like the majority of people on this thread are completely different then. I'm sorry but you sound completely deluded. You don't support a football cub because it's successful or not! Why do you think that fans all over the country go to games, they don't have success, they support their football because they love it. This is why we get called deluded You missed my point, which was if you love the club you want what's best for it. I don't think you particularly care as long as you can keep going to the games. What was the banner we made? We don't demand a team that wins, we demand a club that tries. A big difference there.

What frustrates me most about this schism between the fans is that those that keep going see themselves as the true fans who are willing to keep going because they care for THEIR club. It’s not about being successful it’s about supporting your club through thick and thin. I disagree with that totally. I think it boils down to one thing, if you love your club you want what is best for it. I don’t think many people can argue at this point that Mike Ashley is good for Newcastle United. After twelve years we’ve regressed to this point, yet so many are still content to keep going while whining about wanting a change, but not willing to do anything about it. These people don’t love the club, the like going to see a football match every other weekend. Something needs to be done to save Newcastle, a boycott is not going to significantly hurt Ashley’s pockets in a pure monetary sense. But if we have an empty stadium for a few games or a season it’s going to hurt his brand. He’s here for his cheap advertising, so if his brand, sport direct, can be hurt it will impact him more than the money lost from gate receipts. If you want what is best for this club it wouldn’t hurt you to miss games, sometimes a sacrifice is necessary. The fact that people are unwilling to even entertain it is just depressing. Fuck man, we’re probably going down one way or another this season. We might as well make it mean something.

Look at the insults I've taken for having the absolute temerity to go to football games, football games played by my football club Nobody is insulting you for going to the game, that's 100% your choice. You're getting insults because you're unable to grasp the importance of not going. Because I have a different opinion to you regarding what will not going do? I've listened to what's been said regarding the importance of not going, but just because you've said it, it doesn't mean it's true? We have completely different views on the best way to help the club, that's fine. It's all about opinions, there's a hell of a lot off people out there who disagree with you. Out of curiosity, what are you doing to help the club?

I don't understand why Steve Wraith is seen as one of the champions of our fan base. What is it about him that's given him this platform among our fans? He's never done anything remotely deserving of his status, every time I hear anything about him he seems to do more harm than good.

Finished at about 11.20

Am actually most concerned about CM tbh. We can shift around at the back and put square pegs in round holes if need be, but in CM we’re fucked if Shelvey or Diame are crocked/drop form. Yeah, I can't imagine Diame keeping his form from the end of last season, either. Guy was class from late December onwards and has looked good in pre-season, still being put down as a "purple patch". I'd scared to feel hope

Am actually most concerned about CM tbh. We can shift around at the back and put square pegs in round holes if need be, but in CM we’re fucked if Shelvey or Diame are crocked/drop form. Yeah, I can't imagine Diame keeping his form from the end of last season, either.

Our strength in CM is so poor

Cacapa Fucking hell forgot about him. Holy shit we've watched some shite. That Portsmouth game I have zero recollection. Was he too shit to comprehend, because I feel like that's what it has to be. I bet some of the teamsheets from those years would reduce me to tears. We lost the game 4-1 with Portsmouth scoring 3 in the first 10 minutes, Cacapa got absolutely destroyed by Benjani. Bad times

Cacapa Fucking hell forgot about him. Holy shit we've watched some shite. That Portsmouth game

Cacapa

I know it's been mentioned but I absolutely loved the Martins goal against Spurs. He absolutely smashed that ball in from no where

Proper annoyed at that commentator, I hope we absolutely batter Leicester as he must be a former player of theirs.

That was painful to watch.

I've just been trying to get tickets to the Swansea game and I've noticed that the level 7 block F is on sale on our website but is designated visitors, does this mean it's selling tickets for visiting fans or it's normally for visitors but Swansea didn't sell enough tickets so now it's on sale for us?

They played better than us for decent stretches of the game. They didn't have a shot on target in 96 minutes of football. I'm not saying they were incredible but there wasn't much between out teams today.

They played better than us for decent stretches of the game.

Reminds me more of the early reports that Rafa may be joining.