themanupstairs

oh dear, I remember people saying that people like me were talking nonsense when we said Ashley was turning the club into a 2nd rate selling club again, and heading for relegation through selling players and looking for cheap replacements. When exactly do you think we will match the european qualifications that we have seen for the last 15 years, under Ashleys strategy ? stretch the question further and ask if fred would have matched the european qualifications we've seen for the last 15years ? would he have just spent the banks money to try and emulate it ? Lets go back to the appointment of Allardyce, and the point made by HTT, when he said that it was thought to be a good appointment at the time of someone waiting for a big job, coupled with the fact that his track record suggested he could build a pretty good side with little money. Whether he could make the top 4 is arguable, and we won't now know, but it suggested that the Halls and Shepherd were aware of this need, in the short term. All of which I agreed with, and made no secret of the fact that I also was pleased with the appointment of Allardyce for the same reasons, along with a new direction and way of doing things at the club. I'm pretty sure that their ultimate ambitions would have remained as high as they always were, which are much higher than Ashleys, and I'm also pretty sure that at the current moment in time, they wouldn't be sitting back and watching the team heading for relegation and try to reverse it. Mind, the amount of u-turns by people who urged them to keep spending, and backed Souness in his spending spree, but now say how wrong it was, is quite amazing. You make so many good points and then take a giant plop all over your argument when you say such ridiculous things like: "which are much higher than Ashley's". Just what kind of bullshit is that? You really think Ashley would rather own a mid-table club than a club competing for honors and qualifying for Europe? You really think the Halls and Shepherd are the only 2 ambitious fuckers out there in football? ffs!!!

ATT James (the mod): Like you really needed to ask The thread itself is fine as we talk about our GK team. Shay's departure is the end of an era, and it deserves talking about the reshuffle. No need to wield your axe on that one.

We're not talking about business. In this thread we're talking football. Sometimes I wonder if you even watch the football on the pitch, or just wait for James Alexander Gordon to announce our result, then come on here and bitch. sorry, but your mixing me up with mandiarse the hindsight queen. Go on then, I challenge you to give a meaningful football contribution to this thread. Do you even know who Tim Harper, Steve Krul and Nile Forster are?

Tbf Ozzie, he's already answered that question elsewhere

We're not talking about business. In this thread we're talking football. Sometimes I wonder if you even watch the football on the pitch, or just wait for James Alexander Gordon to announce our result, then come on here and bitch.

forget about football ? haha, it IS football. If anything, it nails the daft theory that any old successful businessman can come into football and be a success, something else numerous people said when they were slating the fat b****** for only running a club that qualified regularly for europe, and not splashing cash whenever we lost a game, ironically. football is a business first now, it has to be with the money involved so i ask where was ur darling freddy going to find his 100 million which needed paying back NE5 will NEVER answer that question because a) he has no idea. b) he knows full well that we would have struggled to pay it back, and could have gone into administration had the creditors come calling. Yes NE5, football is about football first, no doubt about that and I agree. But you also have to have some kind of business sense. You can't simply spend more than you have, as then you would be knee-deep in it.

Who is the closer relation to you? Henry Kissinger or Dennis Hopper?

Totally different kind of player. Viana failed due to his physical attributes and not being mentally strong enough. If you knew anything about the player (including positions and styles) you'd understand why your comments show you haven't got the foggiest. yyyyyyyyyup

I would be surprised if this went through, and if he is avaliable for that sum we should dump the M'Bai idea and go for him... Or just sell Given and sign both !! We would have some bloody midfield with those two!!

first I've heard of his injury tbh. if he spends his time here in the physio room, then...well....what can I fucking say!

why t'fuck would it be a loan???

We should really play hardball with City over this one. Now that Cudicini has signed for the spuds, Shay would be their only target left willing to join them. If we don't get what we want by today we should say 15m cash, take it or leave it, and pull out by tomorrow if they fuck about. They won't have a choice but to pay it, and we'll still have 5 days to conclude our deals from there on.

I'm expecting to see a pig fly past my window any second now ... or at the very least a slice of bacon. http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_4853763,00.html The guy really seems like a whining c***. Will fit in well with at Arsenal. The jammy cunts that Arsenal are in the first place, I still don't believe they will be held to ransom over this particular prize cock and his personal demands. These days the world is all about "get rich or die trying", and it's frankly quite sickening.

No, I'm just expecting our dear owner's actions to match his words. "The club is off the market, I'm in it for the long term now" is one thing, offering 6 month contracts to people is another. The Kinnear offer was considered logical, as he was hoping to sell up. Lovenkrands was logical, as we want to see how well he fares. Calderwood could have said, I'll take the contract for 6 months, and if JK buggers off, maybe I'll bugger off with him should he get another job. Not entirely fantasy stuff there me thinks.

You have him. No, you have him. We don't want him. Tough, neither do we.

And yet we are meant to believe the club is no longer up for sale and that we are "Driving the club forward". A wanky summer ahead I think I don't get it. Are people suddenly crying out for Kinnear, Calderwood and Lovenkrands to be signed up on long term contracts? You're all mad. This is madness! this place is a bastard ain't it?

I haven't looked at it. By the way, I've responded to some of your previous posts directed at me, and predictably you have joined the list of those who are unable to reply and prove me wrong, when you would love to if you could. Are you someone else that insisted we would be better off without the fat b****** [for anybody] ? Which questions have you asked me, sorry if I missed them but your perpetual arse kissing of Freddy Shepherd sends me to sleep. Which fat b****** are you on about, Shepherd or Ashley? well, we are certainly not better off since the last ownership change are we, but I thought that soopa Mike was going to be the saviour to end all those embarrassing days of qualifying regularly for europe ? We are financially more stable than we were under Freddy "Lets hoy some more cash at the problem and hope we get somewhere" Shepherd. You should know that from your sneaky peaking at the financial report thread. We will have to see where we are come May to decide how bad Ashley has been. If we finish 13th or so you could say we are on a par with Fat Fred couldn't you? Well you wouldn't cos obviously you are blinkered. While Mike Ashley is not the man to take the club forward, Freddy Shepherd certainly wasn't either. But at least Ashley isn't taking money out of the club to line his own pocket, unlike Fat Freddy. I haven't looked at the thread, because I know it will be full of people like you slating the old board for anything you can think of, such is your cluelessness. You and people like you were told for ages by myself and one or two others that getting rid of the old board wouldn't necessarily lead to more success and a better club, you were wrong. You are being told again that Ashley is taking the club downwards and downwards, his policy is wrong, you are disputing it, but you are wrong again. You and two others told us. Well whoop-dee-doo. You never gave Ashley a chance, and your opinion of him was made simply because he bought out Shepherd. Besides, you're a true NUFC fan, I think you will have definitely looked at the numbers, even if you didn't bother reading the thread, simply because you care about the club and have a desire to know what kind of state we're in.

He is the weakest member of our first team, him and Butt. Bullshit. Absolute unfounded bullshit. Soz like, but it's my opinion. Which bit? Enrique or Butt? Please don't tell me you rate Butt, i might cry. The Enrique bit obviously mate. The boy can play football. Some people will not give him a chance though. Personally, I don't think Enrique is that bad, however if our team is fully fit I would say he was one our weaker first teamers. That's a first team that excludes Nicky Butt of course, say: Given, Beye, Colo, Bassong, Enrique, Jonas, Barton, Guthrie, N'Zogbia, Owen, Martins Fair enough, but he's not so weak that we need to be looking to get rid. IMO he's the best pound for pound left back we've had in a long long time. It's like saying John O'Shea isn't good enough for Man U because he'd be the weakest in their starting line-up.

What abouts that anglo-italian lark?

More European football than the top four? woosh me thinks?

He is the weakest member of our first team, him and Butt. Bullshit. Absolute unfounded bullshit. Soz like, but it's my opinion. Which bit? Enrique or Butt? Please don't tell me you rate Butt, i might cry. The Enrique bit obviously mate. The boy can play football. Some people will not give him a chance though.

He is the weakest member of our first team, him and Butt. Bullshit. Absolute unfounded bullshit. Soz like, but it's my opinion.

Brian Kidd, Sammy Lee, even Steve McClaren et al. Reputedly good coaches. Terrible managers. and Calderwood is coming to manage us? No... Coming in as a coach which he seems to be better at than actually managing. good craic then is it not?