Froggy

OK Mikel.

There's apparently some weird way for 7th place to get into the CL, involving Liverpool and Villa winning the European Cups but finishing in specific positions. I'm confused by it all now.

What's hilarious is the notion that FFP is ruining football yet spunking a Sheikhs oil money to turn middling clubs into machines is perfectly fine and wouldn't ruin football at all. Everyone on here hated what happened with City and Chelsea and called it soulless. Now that's what you want. Without the regulations every club would be owned by folks from the middle east and the ones that weren't would be clubs bought in leveraged buyouts to be cash cows for American bankers. You compare us to Primark and McDonald's, and act as if PIF using you as a plaything wouldn't rip the heart and soul out of your club. Had you spent billions since the takeover and signed players on £500k a week, a League Cup would have meant fuck all, yet for a lot of you it was one of the best days of your lives.

Can only go by what is reported. Heaps of teams in for Cunha, Mbeumo and Sesko and they're at us with their wages around the £150/160k mark.

Hasn't our summer window shown to you that we still have massive pull? Arsenal were a team who wanted Sesko and Mbeumo as well remember and can offer the same wages we can, not that either of them are on anything extravagant. Worth noting Fernandes was performing to an insane level for four years before getting that current contact. £300k is a bargain by the way. He's the best player in the league.

Aye it's right and really weird. I didn't know about that.

Napoli have an obligation to buy Hojlund for €44m. Barca have an option of €30m for Rashford.

I think all of that is fair enough to be honest. I absolutely adore Bruno Fernandes but not sure I'd recover from seeing him in a City shirt.

We're arguably the biggest team in England though. It's us or Liverpool. Arsenal and City aren't really close. Arsenal certainly haven't won more either. All Arteta has to show for a billion quid and 6-7 years of build is the FA Cup with Emery's team. City's success is fair enough, but I think that's a bit more nuanced because they're our cross-city rivals. It would be bitter disappointment if he wanted to go to City.

It will be a challenge for sure. Think we've maxed that. Big, big wages coming off the books this summer though and good fees incoming for Rashford/Hojlund. We should have some wiggle room.

I've never heard any serious noise about interest from clubs considered to be better than us though. Again, if PSG/Real/Barca etc. showed interested in Fernandes and were able to pay the fee required, I couldn't realistically suggest any reason why he should stay. He's already done his bit for us and is a club legend. The same can be said for Bruno G I'm sure.

Trying to word this carefully so I don't come across as a prat as I've zero intention of doing so. It's all relative to me. Maybe it's arrogant to say, but I feel like we should have had more success that we have had and we probably have a right to blame the Glazers for that, but we're still more successful than most. The argument is that a player wouldn't chose us over another club, in this case Newcastle. We've been more successful than Newcastle and I don't mean any disrespect with that. If Real Madrid came in for Bruno Fernandes, I would never suggest there's a reason for him to stay. (not suggesting the gap between us and yourselves is close to the gap between us and Madrid by the way, but just using it as an example). A lot of the things that I've complained about in the past, such as the roof, the facilities etc. have been addressed by INEOS. I'm just making the point that I wouldn't agree they're valid reasons why a player wouldn't come to us.

If Madrid, Barcelona or PSG had come in for Bruno, I'd have been surprised if he had stayed.

Aye not a bad stat, but you'd swap the points for the FA Cup, I know that for sure.

It's Yorkie who suggested our infrastructure as a potential reason why a player would think twice about leaving Newcastle to come to Man United. Do we think players see Old Trafford as a worse stadium than SJP? I've seen nothing to suggest that.

I don't think I mentioned the Glazers. I can only assume Yorkie is talking about Ratcliffe's comments which I why I mentioned the owners. But what things are you expecting me to compain about? The training facilities. INEOS pumped money in and we now have state of the art facilities. I'm happy about that. The leaks at Old Trafford, but INEOS have put a new stadium plan in motion. I'm a tad on the fence with how it's getting funded, but also happy the plan is in motion. Toxicity aye, but also said it was down to personalities like Sancho, Rashford, Garnacho etc, and I've praised Amorim and INEOS for backing him in getting rid of them. Do you see toxicity in our squad right now? I don't. Time does change things. The Glazers are still parasites and we'd be in a much, much stronger position without them, but I've defended INEOS on here plenty of times. They ultimately made a mistake with Amorim, but a lot of good came from his reign which will set up us better in the future. You're not going to get every managerial appointment bang on.

Cleverly worded Yorkie but ultimately, even since the takeover, we've had more success than you. More trophies, and a European final. In the end, that's all that ever really matters. Even now some of your fans call for Howe's head despite the trophy, so who's going to care in a few years that you managed to finish above us? Crumbling infrastructure is interesting as well. Are you meaning when the roof leaked twice in seven years? There's a new stadium on the way, and we've also just built a state of the art training facility at Carrington. I would argue our "infrastructure" is better than yours. Our training facilities most certainly are. Toxic underbelly also, I wouldn't this mind explained. Amorim removed the toxicity from the dressing room. No more shite stories leaked to the press, no more team leaks. The team was shite under Amorim but they were shite together. Are you meaning Ratcliffe's comments in the press that are nothing to do with the club? We surely don't want to go down the route of digging up dirt on our owners, do we?

I think a player and character like Bruno G would be received incredibly well at us and he'd have every opportunity to become a legend at Old Trafford. I don't get the viewpoint that he be just another player. It's not happening for the money being talked about anyway.

I think he's class but I actually hope we don't sign him. I'd be walking on eggshells on here.

That 8-2 was one of the best days of my life. Ashley Young pearlers.

Without sounding pompous, you don't see a situation where Bruno might want to play for us over Newcastle, especially in a scenario where we're in the Champions League and you're not?

Oi.

I'd say we're more likely to look towards Anderson, Baleba and Wharton and try and sign whoever City don't want.

We've finished 7th, 4th, 5th, 6th, 2nd, 6th, 3rd, 2nd, 6th, 3rd, 8th, 15th () and are currently in 3rd. In that period we've won two FA Cups, two League Cups and the Europa League. Two more Europa League finals as well. Just think it's a bit silly to suggest that's a legacy club that nobody would want to join. But yes, also we aware we pay good money too.