LFEE

Looking frustrated with what is going on around him...

He doesn't... Always find him very positive towards us... What did he say that was wrong?...

Do we think he'll be here next season?... I'm hoping he gets one more season to show something but i don't think the current management fancy him in midfield and it's hard to argue with them after the majority of performances...

Bale... eye catching goals but has had a fair share of average games either side of mid season... Shocking dives... Carrick... doing a very limited job and hasn't looked great against the stronger teams... Hazard... Great opening half dozen games then has tailed off... Another diver... Mata... Consistently been good if not brilliant... Suarez... On the pitch very good with the odd duff game and still diving... Off the pitch not so clever... Van Persie... Great first half to the season... Quiter second... Mata... Suarez... Bale... Don't even think there should be a young players poll these days as football as changed so much but out of that lot Benteke... Glaring omissions... Baines & Michu & Zabaleta & Lambert...

10 years later and I'm still angry at us showing him inside on his left. Not too disimilar to the Johnson debacle at the weekend. Recoba is still playing btw, scored twice from a corner last season. Yes massive pet hate of mine... Add Bale and Lennon to the list... Such basic defending... As for Recoba I saw a little bit of him the other week... Legs have gone but that left foot still looked like a wand...

Inter Milan scored a few good goals against us... Recoba with the 4th perhaps...

Out of contract in the summer also?... Yes. For some reason Real Sociedad fans I know won't give him the time of the day though. He'll fit in well here then...

Keep has to be braver there...

Out of contract in the summer also?...

What was your last quote... £50... Couple of quid each?... I'm a yes if others are...

:lol: Ner, I just think you're coming up with some absolutely f***ing preposterous excuses for why we are currently in a relegation battle. You said something about a middle ground in your other post, maybe you should heed your own advice a little? He isn't as bad a manager as this season has made him out to be, as I've said I don't think he's ever really had it perfect whilst he was here, however the cracks were apparent last season and this season has further highlighted them. He isn't a great manager and we'd do well to get rid. So you agreeing with me That is what i'm saying... He isn't as bad as he's being made to look this season... The players i've mentioned all have performed better than the players mentioned as their supposed superior replacements... (Guthrie+Best vs Anita+No one) ...No manager will have it perfect under how we operate... I've never said he is a great manager... All I've argued (from the very start) is when we get rid who do we get and why... So i ask you... Who would you suggest and why? As has been said before, there's a 33-page thread on this subject. Perhaps you should actually read the f***ing thing. Show a bit of respect eh. LFEE has seen a s*** ton more at this club than 90% of us. Genuinely NSIS. And if so, not sure why that is relevant or should condition my posts in any way. That mean 'not sure if serious'? Even if he isn't, it's advice you'd do well to take on board. Not only was my post not insulting, but I'm hardly one to cast unwarranted insults at other posters. But if people refuse to come to grips with something that's been repeatedly shown to them, they deserve a little nudging. If you can't decipher an Oakie Doke post as being facetious at this point, well... Everyone chill...

:lol: Ner, I just think you're coming up with some absolutely f***ing preposterous excuses for why we are currently in a relegation battle. You said something about a middle ground in your other post, maybe you should heed your own advice a little? He isn't as bad a manager as this season has made him out to be, as I've said I don't think he's ever really had it perfect whilst he was here, however the cracks were apparent last season and this season has further highlighted them. He isn't a great manager and we'd do well to get rid. So you agreeing with me That is what i'm saying... He isn't as bad as he's being made to look this season... The players i've mentioned all have performed better than the players mentioned as their supposed superior replacements... (Guthrie+Best vs Anita+No one) ...No manager will have it perfect under how we operate... I've never said he is a great manager... All I've argued (from the very start) is when we get rid who do we get and why... So i ask you... Who would you suggest and why? As has been said before, there's a 33-page thread on this subject. Perhaps you should actually read the f***ing thing. Show a bit of respect eh. LFEE has seen a s*** ton more at this club than 90% of us. Now you're making me feel old... Thanks though it's appreciated... I can take it... 2nd week stuck in the house with Chickenpox so nowt else doing... The daft thing is as you know I'm not even a AP fan... I just get a little annoyed with the modern day football fan blaming everything on the manager and then not have a viable alternative when asked... People asking for Wenger and Ferguson etc... At least we've give up the high expectations of Jose and Hitzfeld... But it's all part of the fun...

:lol: Ner, I just think you're coming up with some absolutely f***ing preposterous excuses for why we are currently in a relegation battle. You said something about a middle ground in your other post, maybe you should heed your own advice a little? He isn't as bad a manager as this season has made him out to be, as I've said I don't think he's ever really had it perfect whilst he was here, however the cracks were apparent last season and this season has further highlighted them. He isn't a great manager and we'd do well to get rid. So you agreeing with me That is what i'm saying... He isn't as bad as he's being made to look this season... The players i've mentioned all have performed better than the players mentioned as their supposed superior replacements... (Guthrie+Best vs Anita+No one) ...No manager will have it perfect under how we operate... I've never said he is a great manager... All I've argued (from the very start) is when we get rid who do we get and why... So i ask you... Who would you suggest and why? As has been said before, there's a 33-page thread on this subject. Perhaps you should actually read the f***ing thing. Yes and see my response when i did... I looked at the pole and then the thread and after reading the first few pages it was woeful... Also makes much more sense that the thread that is about the manager and wanting to replace him also includes who and why... Then people have to back up their argument up a bit...

:lol: Ner, I just think you're coming up with some absolutely f***ing preposterous excuses for why we are currently in a relegation battle. You said something about a middle ground in your other post, maybe you should heed your own advice a little? He isn't as bad a manager as this season has made him out to be, as I've said I don't think he's ever really had it perfect whilst he was here, however the cracks were apparent last season and this season has further highlighted them. He isn't a great manager and we'd do well to get rid. So you agreeing with me That is what i'm saying... He isn't as bad as he's being made to look this season... The players i've mentioned all have performed better than the players mentioned as their supposed superior replacements... (Guthrie+Best vs Anita+No one) ...No manager will have it perfect under how we operate... I've never said he is a great manager... All I've argued (from the very start) is when we get rid who do we get and why... So i ask you... Who would you suggest and why?

Right fine you're talking about the start of the season only. So we started 2012-2013 with the following players missing/added compared to the start of the previous season: In: Cisse Amalfitano Bigirimana Good Anita Out: Guthrie Lovenkrands Smith Kadar Best Forster Shocking downgrade that like.. Cisse came in the January to replace Carroll so take him out... Guthrie + Best tower above the names you mention coming in... Not only that they actually showed on the pitch when called upon the season we finished 5th... You said you were only talking about the start of the season, Cisse wasn't here at the start of 2011-2012. What exactly do you want to compare here?, because it seems like a mishmash of whatever suits your argument. Start of this season... Hence we already had Cisse Best and Guthrie... We sold the later two and replaced them with Anita+Bigi (for Guthrie which you argued but even 2 put together has proved a downgrade so far in my eyes) and Best which we've not replaced just played Shola more which in my eyes is a downgrade also... Hence me saying we started THIS season with a smaller squad (your outs (6) are more than your ins (5) and thats not for accounting the waste that was Xisco and Ranger)... And in my eyes a poorer squad ... Hope that is clear enough? Just seems like you're narrowing things down to a very specific period here, anything else gets to be ignored. Even then its a pretty weak argument, Bigi's looked a good player to me, but very underutilised, same with Anita. Also while Guthrie and Best played well in a winning team last season neither of them are particularly good players there's no reason to believe those two could carry us. We also haven't improved overall since January despite some more very good players coming in. Pardew consistently bewilders me with his tactics and team selections, I'm not going to blame his failures on transfers. Not really... It's the period from finishing one season and starting the next... In my eyes we started this season with a smaller and weaker squad than last... Smaller i don't think can be argued as we sold/released more than we brought in... Quality can always be argued which is fair enough hence me arguing that Guthrie outperformed last season what Anita+Bigi have done this season... Best simply has not been replaced and i thought he contributed massively until Cisse arrived in the January (belatedly to replace Carroll from the previous January) of last season putting us in a very strong position for Cisse to pick up from which he did brilliantly... Basically all I'm saying is we should've bought who we did in January in the summer... The couple of million saved buying in the Winter transfer window would i'm guessing be easily made up with a higher league position that may of been achieved and they would've been all eligible for the Europe... It would've built nicely on the momentum we'd gathered and not had to play as many players early in the season who at times looked clearly unfit also at the same time give AP a fair chance to be judged... I definitely agree we should have done more in the summer, think everyone would agree with that. Though I think it would probably have cost around £15m extra to sign the same players in the summer as we ended up getting in January. Would only have cost us a couple of extra million to get Debuchy in, which would have made a significant difference. Though its hard to justify caving in to his club asking for one fee and then moving the goal posts late on. You really reckon the difference would be £15m?... I know neither of us know for sure but i would hazard a guess nearer the £5m mark... Yes summer was a missed opportunity... We've seen under KK and SBR what momentum can bring to this club especially... I feel that has been lost and our new players have all been tarnished to an extent already with relegation woes and a heavy derby loss... The end of this season can't come quick enough for me... Hopefully starting the next in the same division...

Right fine you're talking about the start of the season only. So we started 2012-2013 with the following players missing/added compared to the start of the previous season: In: Cisse Amalfitano Bigirimana Good Anita Out: Guthrie Lovenkrands Smith Kadar Best Forster Shocking downgrade that like.. Cisse came in the January to replace Carroll so take him out... Guthrie + Best tower above the names you mention coming in... Not only that they actually showed on the pitch when called upon the season we finished 5th... You said you were only talking about the start of the season, Cisse wasn't here at the start of 2011-2012. What exactly do you want to compare here?, because it seems like a mishmash of whatever suits your argument. Start of this season... Hence we already had Cisse Best and Guthrie... We sold the later two and replaced them with Anita+Bigi (for Guthrie which you argued but even 2 put together has proved a downgrade so far in my eyes) and Best which we've not replaced just played Shola more which in my eyes is a downgrade also... Hence me saying we started THIS season with a smaller squad (your outs (6) are more than your ins (5) and thats not for accounting the waste that was Xisco and Ranger)... And in my eyes a poorer squad ... Hope that is clear enough? Just seems like you're narrowing things down to a very specific period here, anything else gets to be ignored. Even then its a pretty weak argument, Bigi's looked a good player to me, but very underutilised, same with Anita. Also while Guthrie and Best played well in a winning team last season neither of them are particularly good players there's no reason to believe those two could carry us. We also haven't improved overall since January despite some more very good players coming in. Pardew consistently bewilders me with his tactics and team selections, I'm not going to blame his failures on transfers. Not really... It's the period from finishing one season and starting the next... In my eyes we started this season with a smaller and weaker squad than last... Smaller i don't think can be argued as we sold/released more than we brought in... Quality can always be argued which is fair enough hence me arguing that Guthrie outperformed last season what Anita+Bigi have done this season... Best simply has not been replaced and i thought he contributed massively until Cisse arrived in the January (belatedly to replace Carroll from the previous January) of last season putting us in a very strong position for Cisse to pick up from which he did brilliantly... Basically all I'm saying is we should've bought who we did in January in the summer... The couple of million saved buying in the Winter transfer window would i'm guessing be easily made up with a higher league position that may of been achieved and they would've been all eligible for the Europe... It would've built nicely on the momentum we'd gathered and not had to play as many players early in the season who at times looked clearly unfit also at the same time give AP a fair chance to be judged...

When he played last season I personally thought he kept the team ticking over with a better tempo and he actually seemed to play well with YC... Whereas the dream partnership expressed on here last season of CT & YC never quite clicked and hasn't looked like doing so this season... I'm predicting if we stay up that depending on fixtures November is going to be a big month for AP in the eyes of the fans... Poor start and the jungle drums will start beating come December... Only then can i see the board having any appetite if any for change...

Right fine you're talking about the start of the season only. So we started 2012-2013 with the following players missing/added compared to the start of the previous season: In: Cisse Amalfitano Bigirimana Good Anita Out: Guthrie Lovenkrands Smith Kadar Best Forster Shocking downgrade that like.. Cisse came in the January to replace Carroll so take him out... Guthrie + Best tower above the names you mention coming in... Not only that they actually showed on the pitch when called upon the season we finished 5th... You said you were only talking about the start of the season, Cisse wasn't here at the start of 2011-2012. What exactly do you want to compare here?, because it seems like a mishmash of whatever suits your argument. Start of this season... Hence we already had Cisse Best and Guthrie... We sold the later two and replaced them with Anita+Bigi (for Guthrie which you argued but even 2 put together has proved a downgrade so far in my eyes) and Best which we've not replaced just played Shola more which in my eyes is a downgrade also... Hence me saying we started THIS season with a smaller squad (your outs (6) are more than your ins (5) and thats not for accounting the waste that was Xisco and Ranger)... And in my eyes a poorer squad ... Hope that is clear enough? Yes we've added quality come February but by then we are out of 2 cups and in a relegation scrap... So we are judging result from Norwich/Villa away onwards... At home we've won everyone bar the derby... Away we won at Villa... But have been poor at the Champions... Swansea I can't comment on as only game i've not seen this season but by all accounts worth at least a draw which i thought we also were against a high flying Spurs other than Bale... Wigan was going well until Debuchy and then Haidara had to come off... Just trying to give balance to all this...

Right fine you're talking about the start of the season only. So we started 2012-2013 with the following players missing/added compared to the start of the previous season: In: Cisse Amalfitano Bigirimana Good Anita Out: Guthrie Lovenkrands Smith Kadar Best Forster Shocking downgrade that like.. Cisse came in the January to replace Carroll so take him out... Guthrie + Best tower above the names you mention coming in... Not only that they actually showed it on the pitch when called upon the season we finished 5th... AP was sold a short hand in the summer... No one can argue that surely...

I agree with the style of play... I'm just hoping the squad will be more settled next year and therefore no excuses and we see what he can do with a proper squad this time in the league and in 2 domestic cups... Hence my argument he gets one year from me to prove himself...

I think it shows your ignorance to the contribution they both made in us finishing 5th...

He started the season with a smaller squad with less quality than the previous season but with an added competition... I personally don't think it takes a genius to see where some of the problems lie... That's pretty arguable like. Argue it then... We lost Guthrie and Best off the top of my head straight away which we did not replace from a squad everyone agreed was too small to start with the year before... This time we had the Europa league to contend with... We lost Guthrie and brought in Anita and Bigiramana, we lost Best and in the next window replaced him with Cisse. Lost Ba since then and so far haven't replaced him but there's no doubt we've strengthened in the same window by bringing in Yanga-Mbiwa, Debuchy, Gouffran, Haidara and Sissoko. I'm talking about the summer... "Started the season"... By the time the new arrivals had joined we were out of 2 cups and in a relegation battle... Guthrie in my eyes showed in his time here to have more quality and presence than Anita+Bigi combined... Cisse was Carroll's replacement (hence the shirt number) whereas Best has never been replaced... i.e 2/3 tier striker... We've just had to put up with Shola more... I'd take Best over Shola any day of the week... If you are judging the squad post January window then AP is doing an OK job again like previous season considering he's missing 2 captains through injury at various times and hist first choice GK...

He started the season with a smaller squad with less quality than the previous season but with an added competition... I personally don't think it takes a genius to see where some of the problems lie... That's pretty arguable like. Argue it then... We lost Guthrie and Best off the top of my head straight away which we did not replace from a squad everyone agreed was too small to start with the year before... This time we had the Europa league to contend with...

He started the season with a smaller squad with less quality than the previous season but with an added competition... I personally don't think it takes a genius to see where some of the problems lie... I was talking about last season Ba, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Santon, Cisse & Marveaux were all bought for him. Regardless of how much was spent he had a very strong squad assembled for him. As for the last sentence, if the manager not being up to task is one of those problems then I agree. Ben Arfa was already there... And you don't mention all the players we lost... Ba has gone... So that leaves Cabaye who's had as many poor games as good... Same can be said for Santon and Marveaux... Cisse has done well but he has had to replace Carroll+Best in reality... I think some on here massively over-hype our players to compensate the criticism of a manager ... The truth normally lies much closer down the middle...

He started the season with a smaller squad with less quality than the previous season but with an added competition... I personally don't think it takes a genius to see where some of the problems lie...