Tiresias

christ I don't want to read that, see he's gone missing, I hope he is found ok. No idea who he is but working with someone who is recovering from an attempted suicide at work currently and its horrible.

I would agree that's an issue but it's not like var now doesn't interrupt flow of the game this should less...

I think he regretted not giving a penalty for the gordon 'push' which wasn't a pen either but it would have been a slightly reasonable call, realised time was running out and psg weren't going to score and thought oh hell that pen not given is going to haunt me, and that playing on the mind i suspect... regardless, I am more in favour of just ditching VAR. Never going to happen but it was meant to stop howlers and yet what it is doing is pedantically rechecking every goal for millimetre offside calls and then still making howlers. I am sure there are fewer howlers but also before, at least sometimes it was just that the ref didn't see it right? I remember that being infuriating a lot at the time, and if VAR is ditched (which it won't be) it will be forgotten quickly how bad it was, but there is a difference between a ref just not seeing something and them seeing it on a big screen in slow mo and still getting it wrong. If it is to be used, and it will be, I think like cricket, each team gets 2 or 3 challenges per half made by captain and has to be within 5 seconds of the incident (can't be someone on bench with video equipment and has to be before they could reasonably signal to a player) can ask ref to look at VAR to check a decision. If they get it wrong they lose that challenge, not if right. The only exception when VAR could intervene on it's own would be if the referee had missed an extremely violent tackle they could say that should be a red. I hate the pedantry too. I don't actually believe some of these super narrow offside calls, because when exactly does the pass from a player start? Is it when one player makes contact with the ball to kick it to make an offside pass or is it the moment the ball loses contact with the kicking foot? And if it's the latter how many millimetres does it travel before that is visably lost the foot? Now you may say that is ludicrous but if you are putting down milimetre perfect lines and adjudging offside on that then a millisecond difference in when you place the line could make a difference. Einstein discovered time is relative anyway. It's rubbish.

If people in the media are serious about being critical of intimidation of refs and them being slagged off by managers could more be written or said about how spectacularly Klopp and Arteta lost the run of themselves, and a bit more praise for Howe who has expressed disappointment but has not gone screaming injustice to the hills (and he has more right too than Klopp and Arteta), when asked in press conference if he was seeking anything from UEFA he just say it has happened the moment is gone not worth dwelling on too much. The unsaid thing is that the league secretly wants these over the top dramas, wants managers to act like pantomime villains cos it's exciting.

Good on steve crossman lol I knew him growing up good guy, though still weirds me out hearing him on radio so much

in it he makes fun of Trippier for being old lol

By boss is it definitely a manager or could it be a chief exec or some sort?

He is one of the most heart on sleeve players I've seen. I do think he is probably struggling to motivate himself away at Nottingham forest in the league and plays at half speed, which is still better than most. Magnificent last night.

Liverpool stuff really bothered me but weirdly I'm calmer on this even though lots more riding on this game. Maybe it's because just very happy with how the squad have dealt with horrendous injury we have no right to be even drawing away at psg. Maybe it's because the real damage to our qualifying campaign were the games against Dortmund particularly the home one. That's where any regrets should lie.

Christ man that's awful, hope you're getting support and help

Contrast Eddie here compared to that twat Arteta.

The whole point of VAR was to stop mistakes and it isn't. It just isn't.

If we go out (and i think dortmund already through are unlikely to try too hard vs psg tbh) it was due to the dortmund at home game, as frustrating as that robbery was 1-1 away in paris is objectively a good result. We should not have lost at home. Oh well, was always going to be really hard even before our injuries

So proud of them. Let's go win the Europa league.

disgraceful.

never a fucking pen bent ref

Christ this is the longest half of football in my fucking life

Get in!

Murphy isn't a Milner type he can do right wing pretty well as it turned out and right back adequately but not great. If we signed a new star RW player and kept Miggy (may be cashed in for FFP I guess which would make me sad but may be time) I don't imagine there would be great need to keep Murphy. He would be more likely to be useful RB cover for if Trippier and Tino both were unavailable than to get another sniff at right wing. I imagine he will be sold if right offer comes in and if he ends up playing in defensive midfield I will jump in the Tyne shouting Rishi Sunak is an excellent prime minister

Ummmm, I hate to break it to you all but if you are watching along the match and commenting on here continually that is exactly the same sort of communal watching experience really just this is a little more old fashioned

Blimey don't remember him winning the golden Boot, did that surprisingly under the radar!

If he wants to stay should let him, would respect him wanting to go and play. I imagine the club will be looking at a 3rd top class CB to compete with Schar so he may not get minutes but he is a big voice in dressing room and could see him moving into the coaching setup or something.

What is the point of VAR for decisions that are clearly right, just by eye clearly onside ffs why wait for the line

Timothy Chalomet scores for Villa

There we go lol