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This is correct. He paid off the debt which was owed to the banks and transferred it to the holding company and leverages zero interest.

No, He's just refusing to take a loss on what he paid by setting his asking price accordingly.

No Question for you: is anyone currently involved at NUFC in a management/executive or playing capacity doing a satisfactory job? Where does the buck stop for that? No. On the playing side the buck stops with the manager. On the Non playing side it stops with the Owner. And who appoints the manager/is ultimately responsible for every aspect of the club, be it on or off the pitch? I think Fat Mike is the pits. I hope I'm not portraying anything else here.

No Question for you: is anyone currently involved at NUFC in a management/executive or playing capacity doing a satisfactory job? Where does the buck stop for that? No. On the playing side the buck stops with the manager. On the Non playing side it stops with the Owner.

Is this an art project? No not at all, I'm just gauging this. A lot of people seem to feel Pardew is hard done by, I worded the question in the most objective way i could think of.

I'm not questioning the legality of what he's doing, but from a ethical and moral point of view it's reprehensible. Paying off club debt at a similar rate to that which we'd only be servicing the interest on them if they were from banks is reprehensible? Really? I'd f***ing love for the cash to be splashed on signings. As a supporter, the team we end up with is the most important thing, but as long as we have a decent side at the end of the window, him clearing some of the debt doesn't seem that ethically reprehensible or morally bankrupt in the scheme of things. You're twisting my words sir. If his intention is to pay off the debt and neglect the squad in process I feel that he should inform the fans and not pull the wool over our eyes by having his cronies say we are going to buy 3 strikers etc.

Question for everyone: All factors considered (Injuries, Suspensions, Lack of control over transfer, etc) Is Alan Pardew doing a satisfactory job as Newcastle United Manger?

I'm not questioning the legality of what he's doing, but from a ethical and moral point of view it's reprehensible. Debatable. Firstly the amount that income from gate receipts would drop if he said "I plan on taking debt repayments for the next 10 years" is probably quite small. Also, he paid of debt that was in danger of becoming very damaging to the club. I'm not saying that debt repayments should override any other spending obviously, the balance has to be right. And as i said By Ashley not coming out and saying He's no intentions of spending or stating the budget is this amount is he deceiving the fans. I'd call him an accessory but he's clearly the instigator.

I'm not questioning the legality of what he's doing, but from a ethical and moral point of view it's reprehensible.

Expect? No certainly not. Fat Mike has succeeded in lowering my expectations so much I don't. I'd love to know where the money does go though. Doesn't take much to find out. £1 iirc. I've seen the accounts but that's not the point I'm making. My question was meant to be more along the lines of why don't we have anything to spend this summer? We'll never know of course, If the club came out and said we aren't buying anyone this summer season ticket sales would plummet. Eh? Surely the accounts will give a fair indication whether we actually had decent wedge to spend this summer when they come out? If not, then they'll show the money must have instead gone to pay off debt, wages, or something else. It doesn't just disappear. "The debt" is is owed to Ashley. The Loans are payable on demand but whilst Ashley owns the club it makes no sense for him to "repay" these loans as in order to do so He'd have to take a loan out against the club which would bear interest. If Ashley intends to repay the debt and neglect the team I'm sure we'd all prefer to be told because by not saying he's basically obtaining money by deception. He's not like. It's his company, he owns it (sole shareholder). He would only be deceiving himself. He's taking money from the fans too.

And if/when we don't It'll be another excuse for our failure. An "excuse" or an explanation? I'm getting tired of people pointing to injuries, lack of squad depth, lack of Premiership experience, etc. as ready made "excuses" for Pardew, as if he enjoys being in this situation where he's asking for certain things, and is not given them time after time, as it will presumably let him off the hook somehow. It won't. I'm pretty sure Pardew, or any manager, would prefer to be given the tools required to do the job, rather than having to rely on inferior players in the "eventuality" of injuries, suspensions, etc. We have played one match, and we're already three squad (arguably first team) players down for the upcoming matches, on top of the players that were sold this summer. Our squad is weak in quantity and quality if our aim is to finish in the top 8. Yes, our manager is poor as well, no doubt about it, but by continuously ignoring his requests for investment in the squad, and for specific attributes like Premiership experience, they are hanging him out to dry imho. [/rant] Good. He's useless anyways. he had a 20 million investment in January and in the second half of the season all it earned us was a point. He had his chance to choose players he wasted 2.5million on Obertan and if given the chance this summer he would have bought James Tomkins (West Ham's back up centre back) Darren Bent (Another poacher who contributes little but offsides wasted chances and some goals (sound like anyone?)). I wouldn't give Pardew a penny to spend personally. But then again I wouldn't have Hired him in the first place.

Expect? No certainly not. Fat Mike has succeeded in lowering my expectations so much I don't. I'd love to know where the money does go though. Doesn't take much to find out. £1 iirc. I've seen the accounts but that's not the point I'm making. My question was meant to be more along the lines of why don't we have anything to spend this summer? We'll never know of course, If the club came out and said we aren't buying anyone this summer season ticket sales would plummet. Eh? Surely the accounts will give a fair indication whether we actually had decent wedge to spend this summer when they come out? If not, then they'll show the money must have instead gone to pay off debt, wages, or something else. It doesn't just disappear. "The debt" is is owed to Ashley. The Loans are payable on demand but whilst Ashley owns the club it makes no sense for him to "repay" these loans as in order to do so He'd have to take a loan out against the club which would bear interest. If Ashley intends to repay the debt and neglect the team I'm sure we'd all prefer to be told because by not saying he's basically obtaining money by deception.

And if/when we don't It'll be another excuse for our failure.

Expect? No certainly not. Fat Mike has succeeded in lowering my expectations so much I don't. I'd love to know where the money does go though. Doesn't take much to find out. £1 iirc. I've seen the accounts but that's not the point I'm making. My question was meant to be more along the lines of why don't we have anything to spend this summer? We'll never know of course, If the club came out and said we aren't buying anyone this summer season ticket sales would plummet.

Expect? No certainly not. Fat Mike has succeeded in lowering my expectations so much I don't. I'd love to know where the money does go though.

Which is worrying considering we spent fuck all the last summer.

Don't people see? Cabaye wants to leave yes but the club also wants to cash in. It will be typical nufc a mutual transfer but the fans blame the player. At the end of the day cabaye came under the promise of regular European football, in that time the club has continued to show a lack of ambition. Put yourself in his shoes would you want to stay around?

After hearing what? It's not like fucking relative died.

New bibs. Improving the training ground.

We should start a kickstarter for it.

This is the problem. Pardew will tell the players that they did all right before the sending off. Fuck he's lowered expectations so much what must the players think?

I would then I realise he's spent another Pre season doing fuck all. What a fucking stupid decision it was to keep this man

He is. We weren't prepared at all.

But but stability

Sounds very aggressive too.