James Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 When it comes down to the attributes of reflexes and shot stopping, Given is one of the best in the world. His handling, positioning and agility are also good, but not world class, and he has a pretty good jump that compensates for his lack of height. However, when it comes to communication, kicking, decision making, presense, throwing, one-on-ones, command of area and teamwork, Given is one of the worst in the league. And there are Conference players better at saving penalties. Of these substandard attributes, Harper is certainly better at all bar kicking. Fact is that Given is a Hollywood keeper with plenty of style and little substance, who in a prima donna fashion, seems more concerned about his individual performance rather than the performance of the team as a whole. Such a keeper may have been helpful behind a shoddy defensive unit, but our unit has improved, and the importance of shot stopping ability diminishes when compared with other attributes, and he is thus no longer an indispensable player at the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 When it comes down to the attributes of reflexes and shot stopping, Given is one of the best in the world. His handling, positioning and agility are also good, but not world class, and he has a pretty good jump that compensates for his lack of height. However, when it comes to communication, kicking, decision making, presense, throwing, one-on-ones, command of area and teamwork, Given is one of the worst in the league. And there are Conference players better at saving penalties. Of these substandard attributes, Harper is certainly better at all bar kicking. Fact is that Given is a Hollywood keeper with plenty of style and little substance, who in a prima donna fashion, seems more concerned about his individual performance rather than the performance of the team as a whole. Such a keeper may have been helpful behind a shoddy defensive unit, but our unit has improved, and the importance of shot stopping ability diminishes when compared with other attributes, and he is thus no longer an indispensable player at the club. so why has Given been hailed as one of the best keepers in the league for years and linked with the biggests clubs in the league while Harper has sat on the bench for 10 years? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 When it comes down to the attributes of reflexes and shot stopping, Given is one of the best in the world. His handling, positioning and agility are also good, but not world class, and he has a pretty good jump that compensates for his lack of height. However, when it comes to communication, kicking, decision making, presense, throwing, one-on-ones , command of area and teamwork, Given is one of the worst in the league. And there are Conference players better at saving penalties. Of these substandard attributes, Harper is certainly better at all bar kicking. Fact is that Given is a Hollywood keeper with plenty of style and little substance, who in a prima donna fashion, seems more concerned about his individual performance rather than the performance of the team as a whole. Such a keeper may have been helpful behind a shoddy defensive unit, but our unit has improved, and the importance of shot stopping ability diminishes when compared with other attributes, and he is thus no longer an indispensable player at the club. Harper is one of the worst keepers at one on ones I have ever seen tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 james...where do the stats in your sig come from ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 When it comes down to the attributes of reflexes and shot stopping, Given is one of the best in the world. His handling, positioning and agility are also good, but not world class, and he has a pretty good jump that compensates for his lack of height. However, when it comes to communication, kicking, decision making, presense, throwing, one-on-ones, command of area and teamwork, Given is one of the worst in the league. And there are Conference players better at saving penalties. Of these substandard attributes, Harper is certainly better at all bar kicking. Fact is that Given is a Hollywood keeper with plenty of style and little substance, who in a prima donna fashion, seems more concerned about his individual performance rather than the performance of the team as a whole. Such a keeper may have been helpful behind a shoddy defensive unit, but our unit has improved, and the importance of shot stopping ability diminishes when compared with other attributes, and he is thus no longer an indispensable player at the club. so why has Given been hailed as one of the best keepers in the league for years and linked with the biggests clubs in the league while Harper has sat on the bench for 10 years? You might ask WHO made these claims about Given, and in any case, there has been a shortage of really good keepers for a while - esp British ones(yes I know he's Irish). Given is certainly not in the class of Shilton or Banks. As for Harper on the bench, this has been a combination of managerial preference and Harper's own loyalty and patience.Maybe he prefers living in the Nprth East, and he is not badly-paid. All our past managers rated Ameobi, but he has failed to live up to their rating AND failed to convince supporters that he deserves it, so does that mean they were automatically right about Given over Harper ? All of them had to face the fact that they would struggle to get a decent replacement if Given left, but none of them put right the defence in front of either keeper - James has a good point about the defence being crucial to making a keeper look good(or bad)... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 Oh dear, James. mackems.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MaetihS Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 When it comes down to the attributes of reflexes and shot stopping, Given is one of the best in the world. His handling, positioning and agility are also good, but not world class, and he has a pretty good jump that compensates for his lack of height. However, when it comes to communication, kicking, decision making, presense, throwing, one-on-ones, command of area and teamwork, Given is one of the worst in the league. And there are Conference players better at saving penalties. Of these substandard attributes, Harper is certainly better at all bar kicking. Fact is that Given is a Hollywood keeper with plenty of style and little substance, who in a prima donna fashion, seems more concerned about his individual performance rather than the performance of the team as a whole. Such a keeper may have been helpful behind a shoddy defensive unit, but our unit has improved, and the importance of shot stopping ability diminishes when compared with other attributes, and he is thus no longer an indispensable player at the club. Hate to admit it but u are quite right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PM Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 james...where do the stats in your sig come from ? They're a figment of his imagination. Like most things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howaythelads Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 james...where do the stats in your sig come from ? Those aren't stats, mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 even subjective data can be used as statistics providing there is no mixing the subjective and the fact based. my reason for asking was that the ratings in his sig have given as by far the best rated nufc player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 When it comes down to the attributes of reflexes and shot stopping, Given is one of the best in the world. His handling, positioning and agility are also good, but not world class, and he has a pretty good jump that compensates for his lack of height. However, when it comes to communication, kicking, decision making, presense, throwing, one-on-ones, command of area and teamwork, Given is one of the worst in the league. And there are Conference players better at saving penalties. Of these substandard attributes, Harper is certainly better at all bar kicking. Fact is that Given is a Hollywood keeper with plenty of style and little substance, who in a prima donna fashion, seems more concerned about his individual performance rather than the performance of the team as a whole. Such a keeper may have been helpful behind a shoddy defensive unit, but our unit has improved, and the importance of shot stopping ability diminishes when compared with other attributes, and he is thus no longer an indispensable player at the club. Hate to admit it but u are quite right. Hang on, so your trying to say that every manager that has been here, that had the choice between Shay and Harper chose Shay for what reason?! apart from that one litle spell under Guillit i believe. Harper has just been in great form, no doubt, so for Big Sam to then go put Shay back in, doesnt that tell you something. All this, and the fact that Harper is one of the most frustrating Keepers ive ever seen. There is no need for a kepper to take so long to distribute the ball when its 0-0 or 1-0 down! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 Could we have Harper back please?!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 An own goal today. nice one! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 When it comes down to the attributes of reflexes and shot stopping, Given is one of the best in the world. His handling, positioning and agility are also good, but not world class, and he has a pretty good jump that compensates for his lack of height. However, when it comes to communication, kicking, decision making, presense, throwing, one-on-ones, command of area and teamwork, Given is one of the worst in the league. And there are Conference players better at saving penalties. Of these substandard attributes, Harper is certainly better at all bar kicking. Fact is that Given is a Hollywood keeper with plenty of style and little substance, who in a prima donna fashion, seems more concerned about his individual performance rather than the performance of the team as a whole. Such a keeper may have been helpful behind a shoddy defensive unit, but our unit has improved, and the importance of shot stopping ability diminishes when compared with other attributes, and he is thus no longer an indispensable player at the club. oh dear.. c'mon mate stop trying to overthink things. Given's a better keeper, end of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dev Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 Hang on, so your trying to say that every manager that has been here, that had the choice between Shay and Harper chose Shay for what reason?! apart from that one litle spell under Guillit i believe. Harper has just been in great form, no doubt, so for Big Sam to then go put Shay back in, doesnt that tell you something. All this, and the fact that Harper is one of the most frustrating Keepers ive ever seen. There is no need for a kepper to take so long to distribute the ball when its 0-0 or 1-0 down! Well its fairly simple. Shay was the form keeper in the team (and the league!). So he kept his spot. This year its a bit confusing. Harper has clearly been the form keeper. And yet he lost his spot and we have a nervy Shay out there. So some of us are a bit confused. Confidence is probably about 1% importance to keepers when they have it and 90% when they don't. Shay doesn't have it at the moment and at times it looks like he doesn't want to be out there as a result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamesD Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 When it comes down to the attributes of reflexes and shot stopping, Given is one of the best in the world. His handling, positioning and agility are also good, but not world class, and he has a pretty good jump that compensates for his lack of height. However, when it comes to communication, kicking, decision making, presense, throwing, one-on-ones, command of area and teamwork, Given is one of the worst in the league. And there are Conference players better at saving penalties. Of these substandard attributes, Harper is certainly better at all bar kicking. Fact is that Given is a Hollywood keeper with plenty of style and little substance, who in a prima donna fashion, seems more concerned about his individual performance rather than the performance of the team as a whole. Such a keeper may have been helpful behind a shoddy defensive unit, but our unit has improved, and the importance of shot stopping ability diminishes when compared with other attributes, and he is thus no longer an indispensable player at the club. this has to be one of the most misinformed things I've read on here in a long time. The arrogance of it makes it a bit laughable aswell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 When it comes down to the attributes of reflexes and shot stopping, Given is one of the best in the world. His handling, positioning and agility are also good, but not world class, and he has a pretty good jump that compensates for his lack of height. However, when it comes to communication, kicking, decision making, presense, throwing, one-on-ones, command of area and teamwork, Given is one of the worst in the league. And there are Conference players better at saving penalties. Of these substandard attributes, Harper is certainly better at all bar kicking. Fact is that Given is a Hollywood keeper with plenty of style and little substance, who in a prima donna fashion, seems more concerned about his individual performance rather than the performance of the team as a whole. Such a keeper may have been helpful behind a shoddy defensive unit, but our unit has improved, and the importance of shot stopping ability diminishes when compared with other attributes, and he is thus no longer an indispensable player at the club. Seconded. That's also one of the reasons why very few top teams have interest on Given. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sombrero Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 An own goal today. nice one! is it an own goal or shay or alan smith?, the official website speaks of alan smith "accidentally" deflecting it in?, i didint see the game so someone please clarify!, also was the emre goal really that good?, id like to think that turkeys return will spice things up rather than just a lucky goal that wont be followed by much! iv always had great respect for given, and i always lose a bit of confidence when harper comes on. harpers experience doesnt compare to givens imo although it isnt his fault, and i still rate harper. but soon enough givens form will return. id suspect that if SA leaves given out of the team, morale and confidence damage is much higher and that cant be good for the future. players need to know they will get their chances regularly and that they wont just be forgotten if they go through a spell of bad form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 Given's touch put the ball in, either ball he should have done a hell of a lot better with it and yes the Emre goal was great, as was his ball for the third Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 An own goal today. nice one! id suspect that if SA leaves given out of the team, morale and confidence damage is much higher and that cant be good for the future. players need to know they will get their chances regularly and that they wont just be forgotten if they go through a spell of bad form. Johnsons shot hit Smith & Given scored with his hands. What did Harper do to get dropped? What can be worse for marally than playing well and being instantly dropped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 Given was poor today, did he make a save? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliemort Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 Just as I thought........Given makes his first mistake in years when we are 3 1 up in injury time and everyone is on here giving him stick!!!!!FFS!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 first mistake in years? be quiet should have been punished in the first half for his error Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 Given couldn't possibly be surprised or upset if he were to be dropped for the next game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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