Steve McClaren

[sempuki]

Apologies if already posted!

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3377795/Newcastle-manager-Steve-McClaren-deluded-deceptive-s-dreamland-thinks-not-heading-drop.html

Good to see he's being pulled up on his ridiculous comments.

[Darth Crooks]

Disgusting Pardew never did for doing exactly the same.

[Unbelievable]

Newcastle only escaped relegation on the final day of last season. This time 12 months ago, however, they were NINE points better off and in 10th position.

The Magpies were relegated in 2009 but, at this juncture, Joe Kinnear’s side had five points more. They had scored 25 goals – McClaren’s lot have 19 – and conceded 27, as opposed to the 34 shipped by the current vintage.

 

Ouch

[relámpago blanco]

I had a dream last night that Mourinho took over. It was so vivid. Even half thought it was true when I woke up this morning. Very odd.

[The College Dropout]

I can understand the current midfield setup but it's not working. They're not good enough but he's going for solidity and discipline and fairly reliable sideways passing at CM the best he can. IN the hopes that gives Gini & Sissoko the platform to attack and win us matches. The system in particular allows Wijnaldum to do whatever he wants.

 

Any other system gives Sissoko/Gini our most creative and best finisher more defensive responsibility in favour of more attacking from an "inferior" player. Wijnaldum seems to be more favoured at CM on occasion and he's been poor whenever deployed there.

[Wallsendmag]

The fact that he believes we're playing well worries me. We've stunk the place out for 15/16 of his 20 games in charge.

[Yorkie]

Take out the Norwich game and we've scored 13 in 18.

[Unbelievable]

I can understand the current midfield setup but it's not working. They're not good enough but he's going for solidity and discipline and fairly reliable sideways passing at CM the best he can. IN the hopes that gives Gini & Sissoko the platform to attack and win us matches. The system in particular allows Wijnaldum to do whatever he wants.

 

Any other system gives Sissoko/Gini our most creative and best finisher more defensive responsibility in favour of more attacking from an "inferior" player. Wijnaldum seems to be more favoured at CM on occasion and he's been poor whenever deployed there.

 

Let's say at best it was worth a try to see if it could work. It doesn't, so why persevere with it? Regarding your comment about Wijnaldum how many times has he actually played in the centre of midfield for us with a dependable defensive midfield player behind him? I've seen him play in central midfield for Holland in the World Cup and whilst not the strongest link in that side, he didn't look out of place. At PSV he also had to balance offensive and defensive duties. He has the physical attributes to be successful in that position in this league. If the alternative is to keep doing what we have been doing for the past few months it's a no brainer imo, as it keeps one of Colback/Anita out of the side and allows us to bring a winger on in their place.

[cp40]

I had a dream last night that Mourinho took over. It was so vivid. Even half thought it was true when I woke up this morning. Very odd.

 

weird I was in that semi wake stage this morning when you've got no work and no rush to get up and half dreaming sort of thing- and Steve Mc comes along, was proper fking hating him, woke up in a shitty mood, the cunt- minds made up now- the universe has spoken.

[TRon]

I can understand the current midfield setup but it's not working. They're not good enough but he's going for solidity and discipline and fairly reliable sideways passing at CM the best he can. IN the hopes that gives Gini & Sissoko the platform to attack and win us matches. The system in particular allows Wijnaldum to do whatever he wants.

 

Any other system gives Sissoko/Gini our most creative and best finisher more defensive responsibility in favour of more attacking from an "inferior" player. Wijnaldum seems to be more favoured at CM on occasion and he's been poor whenever deployed there.

 

Let's say at best it was worth a try to see if it could work. It doesn't, so why persevere with it? Regarding your comment about Wijnaldum how many times has he actually played in the centre of midfield for us with a dependable defensive midfield player behind him? I've seen him play in central midfield for Holland in the World Cup and whilst not the strongest link in that side, he didn't look out of place. At PSV he also had to balance offensive and defensive duties. He has the physical attributes to be successful in that position in this league. If the alternative is to keep doing what we have been doing for the past few months it's a no brainer imo, as it keeps one of Colback/Anita out of the side and allows us to bring a winger on in their place.

 

Basically what I was saying earlier. We've got three defensive midfielders in the squad yet McClaren doesn't seem to trust any of them to do the job alone. I know times have changed but we used to have Lee Clark as our only defensive midfielder under Keegan and he wasn't by nature a defensive player.

[Guest neesy111]

What's our comparative points at this stage to the season we went down?

 

We are 5 points worse off now.

[George Bailey]

What's our comparative points at this stage to the season we went down?

 

Newcastle only escaped relegation on the final day of last season. This time 12 months ago, however, they were NINE points better off and in 10th position.

The Magpies were relegated in 2009 but, at this juncture, Joe Kinnear’s side had five points more. They had scored 25 goals – McClaren’s lot have 19 – and conceded 27, as opposed to the 34 shipped by the current vintage.

 

Ouch

 

 

if this utter deluded, incompetent fuckwit is seriously trying to sell the 'Riviere' is like a new signing line then that is it for me.

I thought the one thing he had was some honesty and decency...

Hound the cunt out till he crumbles and crawls away bleeding from every orifice.

[ujpest doza]

I had a dream last night that Mourinho took over. It was so vivid. Even half thought it was true when I woke up this morning. Very odd.

So do I !!! Spooky.

 

I think he'd struggle as well mind.

 

[The College Dropout]

I can understand the current midfield setup but it's not working. They're not good enough but he's going for solidity and discipline and fairly reliable sideways passing at CM the best he can. IN the hopes that gives Gini & Sissoko the platform to attack and win us matches. The system in particular allows Wijnaldum to do whatever he wants.

 

Any other system gives Sissoko/Gini our most creative and best finisher more defensive responsibility in favour of more attacking from an "inferior" player. Wijnaldum seems to be more favoured at CM on occasion and he's been poor whenever deployed there.

 

Let's say at best it was worth a try to see if it could work. It doesn't, so why persevere with it? Regarding your comment about Wijnaldum how many times has he actually played in the centre of midfield for us with a dependable defensive midfield player behind him? I've seen him play in central midfield for Holland in the World Cup and whilst not the strongest link in that side, he didn't look out of place. At PSV he also had to balance offensive and defensive duties. He has the physical attributes to be successful in that position in this league. If the alternative is to keep doing what we have been doing for the past few months it's a no brainer imo, as it keeps one of Colback/Anita out of the side and allows us to bring a winger on in their place.

 

I agree it's worth a try. I just dn't have much hope for it.

 

Gini - we don't have a dependable DM. If he's dependant on that to succeed at CM - it isn't going to happen now.

How much attacking did he do in that Holland set up? From memory - not a lot. They left it to Robben, Sneijder and RVP. I don't think it makes sense to give Gini more defensive responsibility so we can play Thauvin.

CM in Eredivisie is much different than PL.

 

People moan about Sissoko's defensive work rate and getting "stuck in" at RM now. He's not going to suddenly care about his defensive duties at CM.

 

 

But in any case. I agree it's worth a try. I just don't see it working unless the players show me something they never have.

 

[Dave]

What's our comparative points at this stage to the season we went down?

 

Halfway the lads:

 

(NUFC last ten PL seasons after nineteen games):

 

2015/16: 17 points, 18th (scored 19, conceded 34)

2014/15: 26 points, 9th (scored 22, conceded 28)

2013/14: 33 points, 8th (scored 29, conceded 24)

2012/13: 20 points, 15th (scored 23, conceded 30)

2011/12: 30 points, 7th (scored 26, conceded 25)

2010/11: 22 points, 13th (scored 28, conceded 29)

2008/09: 22 points, 12th (scored 25, conceded 27)

2007/08: 26 points, 11th (scored 26, conceded 29)

2006/07: 25 points, 11th (scored 20, conceded 21)

2005/06: 25 points, 11th (scored 18, conceded 21)

[Unbelievable]

I can understand the current midfield setup but it's not working. They're not good enough but he's going for solidity and discipline and fairly reliable sideways passing at CM the best he can. IN the hopes that gives Gini & Sissoko the platform to attack and win us matches. The system in particular allows Wijnaldum to do whatever he wants.

 

Any other system gives Sissoko/Gini our most creative and best finisher more defensive responsibility in favour of more attacking from an "inferior" player. Wijnaldum seems to be more favoured at CM on occasion and he's been poor whenever deployed there.

 

Let's say at best it was worth a try to see if it could work. It doesn't, so why persevere with it? Regarding your comment about Wijnaldum how many times has he actually played in the centre of midfield for us with a dependable defensive midfield player behind him? I've seen him play in central midfield for Holland in the World Cup and whilst not the strongest link in that side, he didn't look out of place. At PSV he also had to balance offensive and defensive duties. He has the physical attributes to be successful in that position in this league. If the alternative is to keep doing what we have been doing for the past few months it's a no brainer imo, as it keeps one of Colback/Anita out of the side and allows us to bring a winger on in their place.

 

I agree it's worth a try. I just dn't have much hope for it.

 

Gini - we don't have a dependable DM. If he's dependant on that to succeed at CM - it isn't going to happen now.

How much attacking did he do in that Holland set up? From memory - not a lot. They left it to Robben, Sneijder and RVP. I don't think it makes sense to give Gini more defensive responsibility so we can play Thauvin.

CM in Eredivisie is much different than PL.

 

 

But in any case. I agree it's worth a try. I just don't see it working unless the players show me somethnig they never have,

 

Again, you appear to have written off Thauvin based on very little evidence. He's another case of "worth a try" out wide surely in our current predicament?

 

Wijnaldum played as a box to box midfielder for Holland at the 2014 World Cup. He did a fair bit of attacking although as you say it was mainly the front three providing the danger. You say playing CM in Eredivisie is different to the PL and I won't contest that, but looking beyond that the point is that bringing back Wijnaldum may take something away from his own team which would be more than compensated in theory by what it does for the team, i.e. effectively replace one of our hopeless DM's by a winger who could provide Mitrovic with the service he so desperately needs. It's all about balance in the team, and with four central midfielders scattered across the pitch there simply is none. The midfield does not protect the back four nor does it provide the front two with anything to work with. It's been an unmitigated disaster and it's about time McClaren shook things up a little.

[Unbelievable]

What's our comparative points at this stage to the season we went down?

 

Halfway the lads:

 

(NUFC last ten PL seasons after nineteen games):

 

2015/16: 17 points, 18th (scored 19, conceded 34)

2014/15: 26 points, 9th (scored 22, conceded 28)

2013/14: 33 points, 8th (scored 29, conceded 24)

2012/13: 20 points, 15th (scored 23, conceded 30)

2011/12: 30 points, 7th (scored 26, conceded 25)

2010/11: 22 points, 13th (scored 28, conceded 29)

2008/09: 22 points, 12th (scored 25, conceded 27)

2007/08: 26 points, 11th (scored 26, conceded 29)

2006/07: 25 points, 11th (scored 20, conceded 21)

2005/06: 25 points, 11th (scored 18, conceded 21)

 

Holy shit

[sempuki]

What's our comparative points at this stage to the season we went down?

 

Halfway the lads:

 

(NUFC last ten PL seasons after nineteen games):

 

2015/16: 17 points, 18th (scored 19, conceded 34)

2014/15: 26 points, 9th (scored 22, conceded 28)

2013/14: 33 points, 8th (scored 29, conceded 24)

2012/13: 20 points, 15th (scored 23, conceded 30)

2011/12: 30 points, 7th (scored 26, conceded 25)

2010/11: 22 points, 13th (scored 28, conceded 29)

2008/09: 22 points, 12th (scored 25, conceded 27)

2007/08: 26 points, 11th (scored 26, conceded 29)

2006/07: 25 points, 11th (scored 20, conceded 21)

2005/06: 25 points, 11th (scored 18, conceded 21)

I thought we were magnificent? Those figures really show how deep we are in the shit this season.

[Zero]

I honestly can't see any defence for McClaren based on that. It's a disgraceful return.

 

This. No excuse after so many games.  We are really going down.

[The College Dropout]

Aye you're right. I don't particularly rate Thauvin. He doesn't have a good reputation in France in the media and a few people i've spoken too. Hasn't impressed me too much with what i've seen. And clearly hasn't impressed SMC either.

 

We are at a stage where we need to try something else. But i'm not hopeful at the proposition of Thauvin LM and Wijnaldum CM with Colback or Anita. But it's worth trying aye.

 

Also with Wijnaldum. When we have possession I think he wants to be ahead of play. I don't think he's that CM passer we need. He's shown little interest in that from what i've seen.

[BrettNUFC]

I honestly can't see any defence for McClaren based on that. It's a disgraceful return.

 

Aye, even the best defence lawyer in the world would struggle to muster a good looking case for him. Frightening stats those.

 

HTT's post earlier is decent but i don't think it gives enough credit to the actual talent a fair few of our players have. I've no doubt that if we had a better manager, we would be nowhere near this position. They would have tried different players, different formations/systems and found a solution to play our best football.

 

McClaren is trying to buy more and more time without actually looking to change anything but hoping he gets luck on the way. His delusion and blindness is taking us down.

[lovejoy]

those stats are damning, had no idea things were worse than ever. we're going down unless there's a change.

 

Cant defend Mcclaren anymore, especially after reading that return.

[Unbelievable]

I would personally go with Tiote in midfield and see if he can regain his old form. I know a lot of people have given up on him but I've always found that he needs a few games under his belt when he comes back from injury/absence before he gets back to something resembling his old self. Might even dangle captaincy in front of him if he performs, as he always seem to be more composed when he plays with the captaincy and our current captain offers very little in terms of on the pitch encouragement. We all know at his best Cheick pisses all over Colback and Anita in that position. As long as he is instructed to only sit back and protect the defence and is paired with someone like Wijnaldum in a two or preferably Wijnaldum and Sissoko in a three that should five us a fairly physical midfield that wouldn't get walked over by every other midfield in the country. We could then go diamond with a 10 and two forwards or play two wide players and the one forward.

 

Edit: that said, ideally we would go for a new DM who is capable of providing what Tiote once did on a consistent basis and without giving away as many fouls. It would make a world of difference.

[Unbelievable]

I honestly can't see any defence for McClaren based on that. It's a disgraceful return.

 

Aye, even the best defence lawyer in the world would struggle to muster a good looking case for him. Frightening stats those.

 

HTT's post earlier is decent but i don't think it gives enough credit to the actual talent a fair few of our players have. I've no doubt that if we had a better manager, we would be nowhere near this position. They would have tried different players, different formations/systems and found a solution to play our best football.

 

McClaren is trying to buy more and more time without actually looking to change anything but hoping he gets luck on the way. His delusion and blindness is taking us down.

 

[The College Dropout]

Fair enough. Think it would help Dummett more than anyone else.