Steve McClaren

[mrmojorisin75]

I agree. My wording wasn't the best.

I was thinking purely in the context of this season.

I'm p*ssed at him because my overriding thought when he was appointed was 'Pretty s***, but at least we won't be in a relegation scrap again'.

I gave him far too much credit, clearly.

 

why i'll always (now) despise mcclaren is that when it was very clear he had no answers to the situation he hung on and on and on, <b>had he had the integrity to walk earlier</b> then it would have forced the hand of a f***ing incompetent like charnley and we might have got rafa earlier

 

as it was he sat week in week out with his stupid f***ing grinning face telling us things were magnificent

 

everything comes down to ashley and charnley but he's got a lot to answer for

 

That expression always makes me smile. As if anyone, in any walk of life, would quit a job (well paid or not) because they weren't making a good job of it. I am yet to see anyone with "integrity" in any walk of life it seems.

 

That being said, McClaren is, and always will be, a mediocre manager. He came in, attempted to stir things up (whether the signings were his or not - I suspect not in most cases), and failed miserably. I still put most of the blame for our current predicament down to Ashley, Charnley, Carr and co before McClaren however.

 

has he not himself walked from at least one job because it wasn't working out?  i agree it's the exception but we've had one manager in our past who did it, because all of the shite we've had since then have clung onto the job to dredge every last penny out of it doesn't mean i should consider that acceptable

[magpie1892]

I agree. My wording wasn't the best.

I was thinking purely in the context of this season.

I'm p*ssed at him because my overriding thought when he was appointed was 'Pretty s***, but at least we won't be in a relegation scrap again'.

I gave him far too much credit, clearly.

 

why i'll always (now) despise mcclaren is that when it was very clear he had no answers to the situation he hung on and on and on, <b>had he had the integrity to walk earlier</b> then it would have forced the hand of a f***ing incompetent like charnley and we might have got rafa earlier

 

as it was he sat week in week out with his stupid f***ing grinning face telling us things were magnificent

 

everything comes down to ashley and charnley but he's got a lot to answer for

 

That expression always makes me smile. As if anyone, in any walk of life, would quit a job (well paid or not) because they weren't making a good job of it. I am yet to see anyone with "integrity" in any walk of life it seems.

 

That being said, McClaren is, and always will be, a mediocre manager. He came in, attempted to stir things up (whether the signings were his or not - I suspect not in most cases), and failed miserably. I still put most of the blame for our current predicament down to Ashley, Charnley, Carr and co before McClaren however.

 

Gullit walked and didn't seek any sort of pay-off. Unlike that c*** Dalglish who got the push and then took us to court for his pay-off having destroyed the team utterly and left the share price at well under half of what it had been when he slunk into town.

 

He should have been paying us, the c***.

[mrmojorisin75]

I agree. My wording wasn't the best.

I was thinking purely in the context of this season.

I'm p*ssed at him because my overriding thought when he was appointed was 'Pretty s***, but at least we won't be in a relegation scrap again'.

I gave him far too much credit, clearly.

 

why i'll always (now) despise mcclaren is that when it was very clear he had no answers to the situation he hung on and on and on, <b>had he had the integrity to walk earlier</b> then it would have forced the hand of a f***ing incompetent like charnley and we might have got rafa earlier

 

as it was he sat week in week out with his stupid f***ing grinning face telling us things were magnificent

 

everything comes down to ashley and charnley but he's got a lot to answer for

 

That expression always makes me smile. As if anyone, in any walk of life, would quit a job (well paid or not) because they weren't making a good job of it. I am yet to see anyone with "integrity" in any walk of life it seems.

 

That being said, McClaren is, and always will be, a mediocre manager. He came in, attempted to stir things up (whether the signings were his or not - I suspect not in most cases), and failed miserably. I still put most of the blame for our current predicament down to Ashley, Charnley, Carr and co before McClaren however.

 

Gullit walked and didn't seek any sort of pay-off. Unlike that cunt Dalglish who got the and then took us to court for his pay-off having destroyed the team utterly and left the share price at well under half of what it was when he slunk into town.

 

He should have been paying us, the cunt.

 

Dalglish took us to court?  Never knew that.

[magpie1892]

I agree. My wording wasn't the best.

I was thinking purely in the context of this season.

I'm p*ssed at him because my overriding thought when he was appointed was 'Pretty s***, but at least we won't be in a relegation scrap again'.

I gave him far too much credit, clearly.

 

why i'll always (now) despise mcclaren is that when it was very clear he had no answers to the situation he hung on and on and on, <b>had he had the integrity to walk earlier</b> then it would have forced the hand of a f***ing incompetent like charnley and we might have got rafa earlier

 

as it was he sat week in week out with his stupid f***ing grinning face telling us things were magnificent

 

everything comes down to ashley and charnley but he's got a lot to answer for

 

That expression always makes me smile. As if anyone, in any walk of life, would quit a job (well paid or not) because they weren't making a good job of it. I am yet to see anyone with "integrity" in any walk of life it seems.

 

That being said, McClaren is, and always will be, a mediocre manager. He came in, attempted to stir things up (whether the signings were his or not - I suspect not in most cases), and failed miserably. I still put most of the blame for our current predicament down to Ashley, Charnley, Carr and co before McClaren however.

 

Gullit walked and didn't seek any sort of pay-off. Unlike that c*** Dalglish who got the and then took us to court for his pay-off having destroyed the team utterly and left the share price at well under half of what it was when he slunk into town.

 

He should have been paying us, the c***.

 

Dalglish took us to court?  Never knew that.

 

I think we coughed up before it got that far but 'lawyers had been instructed' and a hearing arranged. FS' rationale was as above - he figured that Dalglish owed us money for his gross imcompetence but a contract is a contract, and we settled. He did the same after his hilarious stint as Celtic boss.

[mrmojorisin75]

I agree. My wording wasn't the best.

I was thinking purely in the context of this season.

I'm p*ssed at him because my overriding thought when he was appointed was 'Pretty s***, but at least we won't be in a relegation scrap again'.

I gave him far too much credit, clearly.

 

why i'll always (now) despise mcclaren is that when it was very clear he had no answers to the situation he hung on and on and on, <b>had he had the integrity to walk earlier</b> then it would have forced the hand of a f***ing incompetent like charnley and we might have got rafa earlier

 

as it was he sat week in week out with his stupid f***ing grinning face telling us things were magnificent

 

everything comes down to ashley and charnley but he's got a lot to answer for

 

That expression always makes me smile. As if anyone, in any walk of life, would quit a job (well paid or not) because they weren't making a good job of it. I am yet to see anyone with "integrity" in any walk of life it seems.

 

That being said, McClaren is, and always will be, a mediocre manager. He came in, attempted to stir things up (whether the signings were his or not - I suspect not in most cases), and failed miserably. I still put most of the blame for our current predicament down to Ashley, Charnley, Carr and co before McClaren however.

 

Gullit walked and didn't seek any sort of pay-off. Unlike that c*** Dalglish who got the and then took us to court for his pay-off having destroyed the team utterly and left the share price at well under half of what it was when he slunk into town.

 

He should have been paying us, the c***.

 

Dalglish took us to court?  Never knew that.

 

I think we coughed up before it got that far but 'lawyers had been instructed' and a hearing arranged. FS' rationale was as above - he owed us money for his gross imcompetence but a contract is a contract, and we settled. He did the same after his hilarious stint as Celtic boss.

Sake man.

[magpie1892]

I agree. My wording wasn't the best.

I was thinking purely in the context of this season.

I'm p*ssed at him because my overriding thought when he was appointed was 'Pretty s***, but at least we won't be in a relegation scrap again'.

I gave him far too much credit, clearly.

 

why i'll always (now) despise mcclaren is that when it was very clear he had no answers to the situation he hung on and on and on, <b>had he had the integrity to walk earlier</b> then it would have forced the hand of a f***ing incompetent like charnley and we might have got rafa earlier

 

as it was he sat week in week out with his stupid f***ing grinning face telling us things were magnificent

 

everything comes down to ashley and charnley but he's got a lot to answer for

 

That expression always makes me smile. As if anyone, in any walk of life, would quit a job (well paid or not) because they weren't making a good job of it. I am yet to see anyone with "integrity" in any walk of life it seems.

 

That being said, McClaren is, and always will be, a mediocre manager. He came in, attempted to stir things up (whether the signings were his or not - I suspect not in most cases), and failed miserably. I still put most of the blame for our current predicament down to Ashley, Charnley, Carr and co before McClaren however.

 

Gullit walked and didn't seek any sort of pay-off. Unlike that c*** Dalglish who got the and then took us to court for his pay-off having destroyed the team utterly and left the share price at well under half of what it was when he slunk into town.

 

He should have been paying us, the c***.

 

Dalglish took us to court?  Never knew that.

 

I think we coughed up before it got that far but 'lawyers had been instructed' and a hearing arranged. FS' rationale was as above - he owed us money for his gross imcompetence but a contract is a contract, and we settled. He did the same after his hilarious stint as Celtic boss.

Sake man.

 

Very 'him' sort of behaviour. He did it again after stinking the place out in his 2nd stint at  Liverpool, then returned to the club a a NED. A nasty piece of work by many accounts as borne out by his performance re: Suarez. I also hear that there are significant differences between his reported post-Hillsborough behaviour, and the reality.

 

Oh, and the blatant cowardice needs a mention as well. I could have managed the LFC side he inherited in 1985 to the double, and its subsequent successes but the very instant (4-4 v. EFC in the cup in 1991) it became obvious that his side was ageing and needed a complete overhal, he didn't see him for dust - citing unspecified 'health problems' (which had cleared up by October, he pitched up at Ewood Park.

 

Throughout his (managerial) career, he's been very well rewarded (and very litigious) for very little return.

 

 

[Wullie]

And next year we'll have to watch his irritating talentless daughter presenting our highlights.

[Dom2]

 

 

Very 'him' sort of behaviour. He did it again after stinking the place out in his 2nd stint at  Liverpool, then returned to the club a a NED. A nasty piece of work by many accounts as borne out by his performance re: Suarez. I also hear that there are significant differences between his reported post-Hillsborough behaviour, and the reality.

 

Oh, and the blatant cowardice needs a mention as well. I could have managed the LFC side he inherited in 1985 to the double, and its subsequent successes but the very instant (4-4 v. EFC in the cup in 1991) it became obvious that his side was ageing and needed a complete overhal, he didn't see him for dust - citing unspecified 'health problems' (which had cleared up by October, he pitched up at Ewood Park.

 

Throughout his (managerial) career, he's been very well rewarded (and very litigious) for very little return.

 

Whatever he did or didn't do at NUFC I can't comment about, but don't speak for Liverpool.  Kenny was magnificent after Hillsborough, if you don't want to believe that then fine. You'll find very few Scousers who agree with you, including Evertonians.  In the words of Margaret Aspinall only a few weeks ago...“Kenny’s always been there for the families and he didn’t in any way shape or form let us down.”

 

As for his 'inherited' team (always makes me laugh), that he built (Barnes Beardsley, Aldridge, McMahon etc.......They were the best English side I've ever seen play in this country. 

What you call inheritance, we at Liverpool used to call continuity.  It worked for us because each manager took the team forward and Kenny more than carried on that tradition.

 

[Incognito]

Yeah, that 87-88 team is without doubt, the best side I've ever seen. And OK, anybody would sign Barnes and Beardsley, but the style they played in. I saw them totally crush a very good Coventry side at Highfield Road. Barnes and Beardsley were superb but star of the show was Steve Nicol, constantly marauding the right flank. He also had to replace the best finisher in the game so to say he didn't build anything is nonsense, I agree.

[Disco]

@lee_ryder  32m32 minutes ago

Steve McClaren will be talking about #nufc on Sky's Goals on Sunday for the first time since leaving St James' Park.

 

That'll be some nice piss and salt in the massive gaping wounds of relegation.

[steve_69]

@lee_ryder  32m32 minutes ago

Steve McClaren will be talking about #nufc on Sky's Goals on Sunday for the first time since leaving St James' Park.

 

That'll be some nice p*ss and salt in the massive gaping wounds of relegation.

 

Why would he bother?

What pearls of wisdom could that fucking shitehawk possibly offer?

[LoveItIfWeBeatU]

@lee_ryder  32m32 minutes ago

Steve McClaren will be talking about #nufc on Sky's Goals on Sunday for the first time since leaving St James' Park.

 

That'll be some nice p*ss and salt in the massive gaping wounds of relegation.

 

Why would he bother?

What pearls of wisdom could that fucking shitehawk possibly offer?

Maybe he'll say "Newcastle wouldn't have been relegated if they'd kept me in charge".

[Kanj]

moron; Steve you were let go on the back of a thumping at Chelsea, a 2 week training camp that ended in an injury to your captain, and then you lost to Stoke and Bournemouth...

[magpie1892]

 

 

Very 'him' sort of behaviour. He did it again after stinking the place out in his 2nd stint at  Liverpool, then returned to the club a a NED. A nasty piece of work by many accounts as borne out by his performance re: Suarez. I also hear that there are significant differences between his reported post-Hillsborough behaviour, and the reality.

 

Oh, and the blatant cowardice needs a mention as well. I could have managed the LFC side he inherited in 1985 to the double, and its subsequent successes but the very instant (4-4 v. EFC in the cup in 1991) it became obvious that his side was ageing and needed a complete overhal, he didn't see him for dust - citing unspecified 'health problems' (which had cleared up by October, he pitched up at Ewood Park.

 

Throughout his (managerial) career, he's been very well rewarded (and very litigious) for very little return.

 

Whatever he did or didn't do at NUFC I can't comment about, but don't speak for Liverpool.  Kenny was magnificent after Hillsborough, if you don't want to believe that then fine. You'll find very few Scousers who agree with you, including Evertonians.  In the words of Margaret Aspinall only a few weeks ago...“Kenny’s always been there for the families and he didn’t in any way shape or form let us down.”

 

As for his 'inherited' team (always makes me laugh), that he built (Barnes Beardsley, Aldridge, McMahon etc.......They were the best English side I've ever seen play in this country. 

What you call inheritance, we at Liverpool used to call continuity.  It worked for us because each manager took the team forward and Kenny more than carried on that tradition.

 

Carried on that tradition, did he? You've not won the league since. He had another crack, of course, please tell us what tradition was the legacy of his 2nd stint..? The only things I can think of were spunking £35m on Carroll, and the t-shirts for the racist biter. If that's progress, what you at Liverpool call 'continuity', then you're welcome to it.

[steve_69]

@lee_ryder  32m32 minutes ago

Steve McClaren will be talking about #nufc on Sky's Goals on Sunday for the first time since leaving St James' Park.

 

That'll be some nice p*ss and salt in the massive gaping wounds of relegation.

 

Why would he bother?

What pearls of wisdom could that f***ing shitehawk possibly offer?

Maybe he'll say "Newcastle wouldn't have been relegated if they'd kept me in charge".

 

Of course he'll say that. He'd do better to keep his head down and shut the fuck up because anyone with eyes knows it's complete bullshit.

 

[TRon]

@lee_ryder  32m32 minutes ago

Steve McClaren will be talking about #nufc on Sky's Goals on Sunday for the first time since leaving St James' Park.

 

That'll be some nice p*ss and salt in the massive gaping wounds of relegation.

 

Why would he bother?

What pearls of wisdom could that fucking shitehawk possibly offer?

 

He's got a nerve showing his face in public while this car crash of a season is still in progress. The relegation this season is down to him, no bones about it.

[DJ_NUFC]

Had a full preseason, the summer and winter transfer windows, and close to 100M to spend. Is there a worse manager in all 4 tiers of English football? Would anyone actually do as badly as he did? Fucking shambles, man.

[BONTEMPI]

Telling us how he's been spending his millions after masterminding the worst side I've seen in a long time.

[DJ_NUFC]

I hope someone leaks a sextape of him and Carr in a sweaty, droopy embrace.

[Darth Crooks]

Had a full preseason, the summer and winter transfer windows, and close to 100M to spend. Is there a worse manager in all 4 tiers of English football? Would anyone actually do as badly as he did? Fucking shambles, man.

 

He was fucking crap and still is but he never had that money to spend.

[Foluwashola]

@lee_ryder  32m32 minutes ago

Steve McClaren will be talking about #nufc on Sky's Goals on Sunday for the first time since leaving St James' Park.

 

That'll be some nice p*ss and salt in the massive gaping wounds of relegation.

 

Why would he bother?

What pearls of wisdom could that fucking shitehawk possibly offer?

 

He's got a nerve showing his face in public while this car crash of a season is still in progress. The relegation this season is down to him, no bones about it.

 

Partly down to him, mainly down to the fat cunt sailing the ship.

 

In the end he did an awful job, but can't summon the energy to have any bad feelings towards him tbh.

[DJ_NUFC]

Had a full preseason, the summer and winter transfer windows, and close to 100M to spend. Is there a worse manager in all 4 tiers of English football? Would anyone actually do as badly as he did? Fucking shambles, man.

 

He was fucking crap and still is but he never had that money to spend.

 

So he had no backbone or spine, and that's also not down to him? He allowed Colo go be retrieved and played him as his captain and CB. He allowed crapheads to be signed on his watch. Which other decent manager would allow those things to happen? And lets not forget the hour-long wank sessions from his mate Steve Black.

[Dom2]

 

 

Very 'him' sort of behaviour. He did it again after stinking the place out in his 2nd stint at  Liverpool, then returned to the club a a NED. A nasty piece of work by many accounts as borne out by his performance re: Suarez. I also hear that there are significant differences between his reported post-Hillsborough behaviour, and the reality.

 

Oh, and the blatant cowardice needs a mention as well. I could have managed the LFC side he inherited in 1985 to the double, and its subsequent successes but the very instant (4-4 v. EFC in the cup in 1991) it became obvious that his side was ageing and needed a complete overhal, he didn't see him for dust - citing unspecified 'health problems' (which had cleared up by October, he pitched up at Ewood Park.

 

Throughout his (managerial) career, he's been very well rewarded (and very litigious) for very little return.

 

Whatever he did or didn't do at NUFC I can't comment about, but don't speak for Liverpool.  Kenny was magnificent after Hillsborough, if you don't want to believe that then fine. You'll find very few Scousers who agree with you, including Evertonians.  In the words of Margaret Aspinall only a few weeks ago...“Kenny’s always been there for the families and he didn’t in any way shape or form let us down.”

 

As for his 'inherited' team (always makes me laugh), that he built (Barnes Beardsley, Aldridge, McMahon etc.......They were the best English side I've ever seen play in this country. 

What you call inheritance, we at Liverpool used to call continuity.  It worked for us because each manager took the team forward and Kenny more than carried on that tradition.

 

Carried on that tradition, did he? You've not won the league since. He had another crack, of course, please tell us what tradition was the legacy of his 2nd stint..? The only things I can think of were spunking £35m on Carroll, and the t-shirts for the racist biter. If that's progress, what you at Liverpool call 'continuity', then you're welcome to it.

 

Your quote refers to the team he 'inherited' in 1985, the one I referred to as continuity. 

You didn't mention his second stint in your post, but  for the record  he got us to two finals and won us a trophy in his second stint. 

 

I wouldn't say his second time as manager was successful as far as the league goes, but he did bring Luis Suarez in whose sell on fee of 75 million more than makes up for Carrolls fee.  Oh hang on Carroll was bought from Torres's 50 million move to Chelsea.

His last league title was 1990 and nobody here expected him to do the same when he came back, we were just grateful to get rid of Hodgson.

The continuity was broken when Souness was appointed after Kenny left in 1990.

[magpie1892]

 

 

Very 'him' sort of behaviour. He did it again after stinking the place out in his 2nd stint at  Liverpool, then returned to the club a a NED. A nasty piece of work by many accounts as borne out by his performance re: Suarez. I also hear that there are significant differences between his reported post-Hillsborough behaviour, and the reality.

 

Oh, and the blatant cowardice needs a mention as well. I could have managed the LFC side he inherited in 1985 to the double, and its subsequent successes but the very instant (4-4 v. EFC in the cup in 1991) it became obvious that his side was ageing and needed a complete overhal, he didn't see him for dust - citing unspecified 'health problems' (which had cleared up by October, he pitched up at Ewood Park.

 

Throughout his (managerial) career, he's been very well rewarded (and very litigious) for very little return.

 

Whatever he did or didn't do at NUFC I can't comment about, but don't speak for Liverpool.  Kenny was magnificent after Hillsborough, if you don't want to believe that then fine. You'll find very few Scousers who agree with you, including Evertonians.  In the words of Margaret Aspinall only a few weeks ago...“Kenny’s always been there for the families and he didn’t in any way shape or form let us down.”

 

As for his 'inherited' team (always makes me laugh), that he built (Barnes Beardsley, Aldridge, McMahon etc.......They were the best English side I've ever seen play in this country. 

What you call inheritance, we at Liverpool used to call continuity.  It worked for us because each manager took the team forward and Kenny more than carried on that tradition.

 

Carried on that tradition, did he? You've not won the league since. He had another crack, of course, please tell us what tradition was the legacy of his 2nd stint..? The only things I can think of were spunking £35m on Carroll, and the t-shirts for the racist biter. If that's progress, what you at Liverpool call 'continuity', then you're welcome to it.

 

Your quote refers to the team he 'inherited' in 1985, the one I referred to as continuity. 

You didn't mention his second stint in your post, but  for the record  he got us to two finals and won us a trophy in his second stint. 

 

I wouldn't say his second time as manager was successful as far as the league goes, but he did bring Luis Suarez in whose sell on fee of 75 million more than makes up for Carrolls fee.  Oh hang on Carroll was bought from Torres's 50 million move to Chelsea.

His last league title was 1990 and nobody here expected him to do the same when he came back, we were just grateful to get rid of Hodgson.

The continuity was broken when Souness was appointed after Kenny left in 1990.

 

***

 

'Your quote refers to the team he 'inherited' in 1985, the one I referred to as continuity.' it does, and extensively comments on his second stab as well. You've already claimed that Kenny 'more than carried on' the 'tradition' of 'taking the team forward' only now you've actually decided he didn't...

 

Anyway, you've picked the wrong place to argue that black is white. By all means cling onto the fantasy that Dalglish provided 'continuity' in his two managerial stints if it pleases you but we're way off topic. Maybe start a separate 'Hail! Dalglish!' thread here to see if anyone else is interested?

 

He certainly made a c*** of managing my club and your little caveats, weasel words and downright fantasy won't change that. I mean, you seem to think that Dalglish first left LFC in 1990; that you can't get the basics right it makes it even harder to take you seriously.

[Dom2]

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Your quote refers to the team he 'inherited' in 1985, the one I referred to as continuity. 

You didn't mention his second stint in your post, but  for the record  he got us to two finals and won us a trophy in his second stint. 

 

I wouldn't say his second time as manager was successful as far as the league goes, but he did bring Luis Suarez in whose sell on fee of 75 million more than makes up for Carrolls fee.  Oh hang on Carroll was bought from Torres's 50 million move to Chelsea.

His last league title was 1990 and nobody here expected him to do the same when he came back, we were just grateful to get rid of Hodgson.

The continuity was broken when Souness was appointed after Kenny left in 1990.

 

***

 

'Your quote refers to the team he 'inherited' in 1985, the one I referred to as continuity.' it does, and extensively comments on his second stab as well. You've already claimed that Kenny 'more than carried on' the 'tradition' of 'taking the team forward' only now you've actually decided he didn't...

 

Anyway, you've picked the wrong place to argue that black is white. By all means cling onto the fantasy that Dalglish provided 'continuity' in his two managerial stints if it pleases you but we're way off topic. Maybe start a separate 'Hail! Dalglish!' thread here to see if anyone else is interested?

 

He certainly made a c*** of managing my club and your little caveats, weasel words and downright fantasy won't change that. I mean, you seem to think that Dalglish first left LFC in 1990; that you can't get the basics right it makes it even harder to take you seriously.

 

More than happy to leave it now. I didn't extensively comment on his second stint at all until you brought it up.  You seriously need to look up what continuity means.  The Souness appointment ended the LFC continuity.

 

Yours is the fantasy, you don't like Kenny that's fine, but don't try to re-write his history.

 

My apologies for joining in taking the thread off topic.

 

He left in February '91, you're right, sorry I was a few weeks early........