Guest icemanblue Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Small time. Should have used fifties. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maybe_next_year Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Least surprising news this week tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 It was the only way he was ever gonna score. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Can we sack him yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 The bloke thinks he's invincible Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Surprised he managed to spell his second name correctly tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 I doubt there's such a thing as precedent when deciding if someone has committed gross misconduct or something, just depends what his contract says. Innocent until proven guilty and all that, but he does get himself into some f***ed up situations. Not true and I think the club could justifiably sack him now, even if he’s innocent he consistently brings the clubs name into disrepute. The club could probably argue that he's damaging the club brand because of the constant bad headlines which reflect on the club by association. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 I doubt there's such a thing as precedent when deciding if someone has committed gross misconduct or something, just depends what his contract says. Innocent until proven guilty and all that, but he does get himself into some f***ed up situations. Not true and I think the club could justifiably sack him now, even if he’s innocent he consistently brings the clubs name into disrepute. The club could probably argue that he's damaging the club brand because of the constant bad headlines which reflect on the club by association. Yeah I know, what I was saying is that the precedent (what they did with Barton) doesn't really have any bearing on what they can do with Ranger. His contract will include clauses about misconduct that they can decide whether he has or hasn't broken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Slightly off topic, but was the offense that Barton was jailed for committed before he signed for us? i think he was given a suspended sentence when he played for us for a separate incident. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 He wouldn't get an iota of compensation; there's more than enough evidence to justify dismissal on grounds of misconduct. Not in this instance. You can't get sacked on suspicion of a crime. Suspension with or without pay is the most likely outcome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 I doubt there's such a thing as precedent when deciding if someone has committed gross misconduct or something, just depends what his contract says. Innocent until proven guilty and all that, but he does get himself into some f***ed up situations. Not true and I think the club could justifiably sack him now, even if he’s innocent he consistently brings the clubs name into disrepute. The club could probably argue that he's damaging the club brand because of the constant bad headlines which reflect on the club by association. Once again, not true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 He'd sweep up in court if we tried to sack him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Once again, not true. What's not true? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malandro Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 He'd sweep up in court if we tried to sack him. san lorenzo could buy out his contract Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 This is one crime where I'm not quick to rush to judgment. A rape accusation is serious business. Just because Nile is a cunt doesn't mean he's also a rapist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Released on bail... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 He'd sweep up in court if we tried to sack him. san lorenzo could buy out his contract Not really, Gross Misconduct is fairly standardised to include actions in own time that can impact negatively on the club and its image. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 This is one crime where I'm not quick to rush to judgment. A rape accusation is serious business. Just because Nile is a cunt doesn't mean he's also a rapist. True. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Released on bail... Good job he had some cash ready. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebellious Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 He'd sweep up in court if we tried to sack him. san lorenzo could buy out his contract Not really, Gross Misconduct is fairly standardised to include actions in own time that can impact negatively on the club and its image. Bringing the employer into disrepute is taken to mean the situation whereby conduct by an employee outside of the workplace becomes apparent and due to their employment within a particular job, that conduct becomes associated with that employer. One of the hardest to Gross Misconduct for tbh. This was part of a dissmissal I carried out this week. I added in a few others to be safe and cover my self , Serious Insubordination, Serious incapability at work brought on by alcohol or illegal drugs and General conduct, performance and Attitude. I would stay well clear of sacking someone for suspicion of anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Bringing the employer into disrepute is taken to mean the situation whereby conduct by an employee outside of the workplace becomes apparent and due to their employment within a particular job, that conduct becomes associated with that employer. One of the hardest to Gross Misconduct for tbh. This was part of a dissmissal I carried out this week. I added in a few others to be safe and cover my self , Serious Insubordination, Serious incapability at work brought on by alcohol or illegal drugs and General conduct, performance and Attitude. I would stay well clear of sacking someone for suspicion of anything. Apple sacked somebody in Norwich for damaging the Apple brand by saying negative things on Facebook, every time Ranger is mentioned for his run ins with the law we also get mentioned. They could easily sack him if they have a good disciplinary procedure and follow it, they wouldn't even have to wait for a trial as long as they follow procedures and act fairly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Every time this has been reported on the news or radio, today, it has started with "Newcastle striker Nile Ranger..." First word. Every time. Pretty much the same for a lot of online reports, too. The association can't be denied. But the guy, regardless of his huge twatness, hasn't been charged yet...let alone convicted. I'll wait and see before I devote more grey matter to hating him That's not relevant as long as they follow procedures which are in place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Bringing the employer into disrepute is taken to mean the situation whereby conduct by an employee outside of the workplace becomes apparent and due to their employment within a particular job, that conduct becomes associated with that employer. One of the hardest to Gross Misconduct for tbh. This was part of a dissmissal I carried out this week. I added in a few others to be safe and cover my self , Serious Insubordination, Serious incapability at work brought on by alcohol or illegal drugs and General conduct, performance and Attitude. I would stay well clear of sacking someone for suspicion of anything. Apple sacked somebody in Norwich for damaging the Apple brand by saying negative things on Facebook, every time Ranger is mentioned for his run ins with the law we also get mentioned. They could easily sack him if they have a good disciplinary procedure and follow it, they wouldn't even have to wait for a trial as long as they follow procedures and act fairly. The stakes are a lot higher here though, his contract is worth a fortune and he's more likely to fight it. I would just wait and see what happens with the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 I think it is a gamble worth taking. If we end up having to pay his contract then we have to. But the money we would lose is money we'd have to spend anyway, and we would have the value of removing a disruptive influence, whilst at the same time giving a positive message about the class of the club and to teach the young players that you can completely Fuck up a career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 His career is ending sooner or later unless he changes something dramatic. We definitely won't be giving him a new contract, so I'm not too worried. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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