Do you really believe this man or trust him?

[Guest optimistic nit]

 

Probably, but all I'm saying is it's unfair that one person is getting criticised for a whole load of things that the other person has done as well, but isn't.

 

I know mate and I am as guilty as the next man for siding with Keegan. I cant help it. I know he has failings but he has earned my favouritism.

 

This thread is about Ashley and what he has done to make us trust him. That one act for me, made me feel really let down. This is the owner that goes to the matches with "King Kev" on his back.  It looks like he decided to turn his back on him when the club was going through the biggest load of shit I have known for a long time.

 

 

 

 

Do you think he's that evil that he'd have worn that shirt if he'd been deliberately trying to undermine Keegan from the start like some people seem to think?

 

He wore the shirt as a cheap ruse to win people over. Transparent.

 

or he could have just wanted to have a good time?

 

 

 

what in Ashley's previous reputation has led you to believe this, as usual you just make up your opinions and then try and pluck facts out of thin air to back them, ignoring the ones that dont, and i am getting bored by it.

[Dinho lad]

I'm sick of people not blaming KK for something.

 

Piss off you twats.

[Guest optimistic nit]

wasn't he on business in the states ?. yes i know he had a party but i doubt business meetings etc take all day every day.. he has a billion pound business of which NUFC isn't the major part and ,within his plans,without the major part of his businesshis plans for NUFC wouldn't happen.

 

Yes he was and personally, I couldnt give a flying fuck if he was socialising while he was out there. I appreciate that he cant just drop everything just because Keving Keegan has walked out.

But we are back to communication again arent we. How hard could it have been for someone at the club to sit in front of Look North or something and just say "the club are working on things and that Mike will be returning from a business trip in the US to talk to Kevin personally in a few days. In the meantime, Derek Llambias will be talking to Kevin".

 

I know that is all superficial and could mean nowt but you know what, it doesnt give the impression that they dont give a fuck about sorting out their differences

 

the club could have communicated a lot better in all this, that is their biggest mistake of all.

[Robster]

I'm sick of people not blaming KK for something.

 

Piss off you twats.

 

Start a thread with the same title but show a picture of Kevin Keegan. You will get your answers in there.

This thread is about Mike Ashley

[madras]

I'm sick of people not blaming KK for something.

 

Piss off you twats.

I'm sick of people blaming KK for things.

 

Piss of you twats.

i'm sick of people blindly believing one side or the other with no fucking evidence.

 

piss off you twats.

[Spider Jerusalem]

I found it strange that a few months back Ashley stated that he paid off the debts so that "today Newcastle United doesn't owe a penny to anyone".  Yet today he says we're still in major debt..

 

Hey - I've tried to point that out on a few occasions! 

 

I'd just like to point out that a lot of the more vociferous people who are pro-Ashley also appear to be people who haven't actually shelled out cash to go and watch the team.

[TRon]

I found it strange that a few months back Ashley stated that he paid off the debts so that "today Newcastle United doesn't owe a penny to anyone".  Yet today he says we're still in major debt..

 

Hey - I've tried to point that out on a few occasions! 

 

I'd just like to point out that a lot of the more vociferous people who are pro-Ashley also appear to be people who haven't actually shelled out cash to go and watch the team.

 

I could respect that opinion a lot more if Shepherd hadn't used that argument to hire Roeder. He was "the fans choice" remember?

 

 

[Spider Jerusalem]

I found it strange that a few months back Ashley stated that he paid off the debts so that "today Newcastle United doesn't owe a penny to anyone".  Yet today he says we're still in major debt..

 

Hey - I've tried to point that out on a few occasions! 

 

I'd just like to point out that a lot of the more vociferous people who are pro-Ashley also appear to be people who haven't actually shelled out cash to go and watch the team.

 

I could respect that opinion a lot more if Shepherd hadn't used that argument to hire Roeder. He was "the fans choice" remember?

 

 

 

Eh?  What has Shepherds lying got to do with that.  Unless I've struck a nerve.

[TRon]

I found it strange that a few months back Ashley stated that he paid off the debts so that "today Newcastle United doesn't owe a penny to anyone".  Yet today he says we're still in major debt..

 

Hey - I've tried to point that out on a few occasions! 

 

I'd just like to point out that a lot of the more vociferous people who are pro-Ashley also appear to be people who haven't actually shelled out cash to go and watch the team.

 

I could respect that opinion a lot more if Shepherd hadn't used that argument to hire Roeder. He was "the fans choice" remember?

 

 

 

Eh?  What has Shepherds lying got to do with that.  Unless I've struck a nerve.

 

Didn't Shepherd justify appointing Roeder on the back of support he got from the fans at the ground? It was the fans appointment remember? Or do you suffer from selective Alzheimer's Disease?

[Guest BooBoo]

I recall the days when HTT was a decent poster.

[Spider Jerusalem]

I found it strange that a few months back Ashley stated that he paid off the debts so that "today Newcastle United doesn't owe a penny to anyone".  Yet today he says we're still in major debt..

 

Hey - I've tried to point that out on a few occasions! 

 

I'd just like to point out that a lot of the more vociferous people who are pro-Ashley also appear to be people who haven't actually shelled out cash to go and watch the team.

 

I could respect that opinion a lot more if Shepherd hadn't used that argument to hire Roeder. He was "the fans choice" remember?

 

 

 

Eh?  What has Shepherds lying got to do with that.  Unless I've struck a nerve.

 

Didn't Shepherd justify appointing Roeder on the back of support he got from the fans at the ground? It was the fans appointment remember? Or do you suffer from selective Alzheimer's Disease?

 

But can you remember the outcry to get Roeder installed as boss or do you suffer from selective Alzheimer's Disease.  I remember Hitzfeld being a firm fan favourite, but the liar telling everyone that Roeder was the fan's choice and Hitzfeld was a betting scam.

[Guest LucaAltieri]

I recall the days when HTT was a decent poster.

 

Better memory than me. 

[Guest dazh]

I 100% agree with the original post.

 

Me too.

 

I find it incredible that just because he produces a few sentences about not being able to take his bairns to the match that everyone suddenly feels sorry for him. That whole statement is just another cynical PR exercise. I 100% believe that his only intention when he bought the club was to run it on a shoestring for a couple of years until he could cash in, whilst at the same time making himself look good to the fans by appointing Keegan and standing in the away end with them. This whole sorry episode has just given him the excuse to do what he already planned whilst claiming that he's only doing it to please the fans. If his intentions were so honourable he would settle for getting back the money he spent plus some interest, but instead it seems clear ("there will be no fire sale") that he'll be looking for a 100million+ profit.

 

Face it, the club has been used by a hard nosed businessman to make a hefty short term profit (admittedly with great risk). Lets just hope the next lot are actually interested in the football side of things rather than the bottom line.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

To be fair, 'interested in the football side' is exactly what Ashley is, that's why I find it so baffling that people have turned against him.

 

He just wasn't prepared to bankrupt himself or the club trying to buy success (which most likely wouldn't work anyway).

[Guest dazh]

To be fair, 'interested in the football side' is exactly what Ashley is, that's why I find it so baffling that people have turned against him.

 

He just wasn't prepared to bankrupt himself or the club trying to buy success (which most likely wouldn't work anyway).

 

Is that why we have a paper-thin squad who may well have a relegation fight on their hands, have made a net profit on transfers, and have attempted to sell players which we can't afford to lose in order to cut costs?

[Benwell Lad]

Ashley wanted to set up a global scouting network and work within a structured budget. Most people agreed it was a better policy than the previous "big buy" strategy which had put the club into massive debt.

Keegan decides he no longer likes the strategy , spits out his dummy and walks (again). Sky Sports television go into frenzy mode and drag various retards out of Tyneside pubs to give them a quote which fits nicely with their agenda.

A lynch mob is mobilised and a boycott of the game is planned. Boycott is really successful (only 50,500 attend out of 52,000 capacity) but not as successful as Sunderland and many other Premiership teams who are already playing in front of 10,000 plus empty seats despite being in the middle of a "love in".

Lynch mob decide that Ashley and Dennis Wise (who has done absolutely nothing wrong but is always a convenient pantomine villain) must suffer abuse and chant for them to leave.

Those chanting abuse are in a minority but of course 10,000 singing fans make a lot more noise than 40,000 quiet ones.

Hull City come to St.James' Park and beat us (quite luckily). Cue more protests.

Ashley decides he's had enough and who can fecking blame him.

 

Why couldn't my father have supported Manchester United ?

[BottledDog]

Ashley wanted to set up a global scouting network and work within a structured budget. Most people agreed it was a better policy than the previous "big buy" strategy which had put the club into massive debt.

Keegan decides he no longer likes the strategy , spits out his dummy and walks (again). Sky Sports television go into frenzy mode and drag various retards out of Tyneside pubs to give them a quote which fits nicely with their agenda.

A lynch mob is mobilised and a boycott of the game is planned. Boycott is really successful (only 50,500 attend out of 52,000 capacity) but not as successful as Sunderland and many other Premiership teams who are already playing in front of 10,000 plus empty seats despite being in the middle of a "love in".

Lynch mob decide that Ashley and Dennis Wise (who has done absolutely nothing wrong but is always a convenient pantomine villain) must suffer abuse and chant for them to leave.

Those chanting abuse are in a minority but of course 10,000 singing fans make a lot more noise than 40,000 quiet ones.

Hull City come to St.James' Park and beat us (quite luckily). Cue more protests.

Ashley decides he's had enough and who can fecking blame him.

 

Not too far off from the way I see it sadly.

[Guest optimistic nit]

To be fair, 'interested in the football side' is exactly what Ashley is, that's why I find it so baffling that people have turned against him.

 

He just wasn't prepared to bankrupt himself or the club trying to buy success (which most likely wouldn't work anyway).

 

Is that why we have a paper-thin squad who may well have a relegation fight on their hands, have made a net profit on transfers, and have attempted to sell players which we can't afford to lose in order to cut costs?

 

you talking about smith and barton?

 

smith can fuck off, barton i'm not sure about, he's a cunt but we may need him. the club has the 5th highest wagebill in the league (possibly 6th now after man citeh). dont you think that is a bit high for a club not in europe? aye we've got big attendances, but the more we lose to wages, the less we can spend on transfers.

 

how do you know we've made a net profit on transfers? show me the figures, and no one knows what jonas cost us. we dont have a relegation fight on our hands, if we get all this sorted and a good manager in in 2 weeks we'll finish top 8.

[Robster]

Ashley wanted to set up a global scouting network and work within a structured budget. Most people agreed it was a better policy than the previous "big buy" strategy which had put the club into massive debt.

Keegan decides he no longer likes the strategy , spits out his dummy and walks (again). Sky Sports television go into frenzy mode and drag various retards out of Tyneside pubs to give them a quote which fits nicely with their agenda.

Ashley talks directly to the fans to alay any fears about disruption and to reassure us the future still looks good

A lynch mob is mobilised and a boycott of the game is planned. Boycott is really successful (only 50,500 attend out of 52,000 capacity) but not as successful as Sunderland and many other Premiership teams who are already playing in front of 10,000 plus empty seats despite being in the middle of a "love in".

Lynch mob decide that Ashley and Dennis Wise (who has done absolutely nothing wrong but is always a convenient pantomine villain) must suffer abuse and chant for them to leave.

Those chanting abuse are in a minority but of course 10,000 singing fans make a lot more noise than 40,000 quiet ones.

Hull City come to St.James' Park and beat us (quite luckily). Cue more protests.

Ashley decides he's had enough and who can fecking blame him.

 

Why couldn't my father have supported Manchester United ?

 

Hey look at that. I solved Mike's problems.

[Guest Gallowgate Mag]

Ashley wanted to set up a global scouting network and work within a structured budget. Most people agreed it was a better policy than the previous "big buy" strategy which had put the club into massive debt.

Keegan decides he no longer likes the strategy , spits out his dummy and walks (again). Sky Sports television go into frenzy mode and drag various retards out of Tyneside pubs to give them a quote which fits nicely with their agenda.

A lynch mob is mobilised and a boycott of the game is planned. Boycott is really successful (only 50,500 attend out of 52,000 capacity) but not as successful as Sunderland and many other Premiership teams who are already playing in front of 10,000 plus empty seats despite being in the middle of a "love in".

Lynch mob decide that Ashley and Dennis Wise (who has done absolutely nothing wrong but is always a convenient pantomine villain) must suffer abuse and chant for them to leave.

Those chanting abuse are in a minority but of course 10,000 singing fans make a lot more noise than 40,000 quiet ones.

Hull City come to St.James' Park and beat us (quite luckily). Cue more protests.

Ashley decides he's had enough and who can fecking blame him.

 

Why couldn't my father have supported Manchester United ?

 

How do you know Wise has done nothing wrong? In all honestly we know fuck all about what's happened internally.

 

And Hull were more than good value for their win imo, 1-2 flattered us a fair bit.

[beardsleymagic]

Whilst i agree that in the long run the club has to be run more efficently, such as improving our scouting system and academy and such. But also in the short term we had to have a sizable investment in the first team.

 

We we're lucky last year not to be dragged into a serious relagation scrap and this year our squad is smaller while a lot of teams have improved.

 

I feel as though all this sustainable club thing is just a convienient excuse for Ashley not to invest in the first team therefore improving his profit margin when he (as he has always intended to) sells up.

 

It IS the right way to go about running a club, but when the first team is in dire need of investment you cannot dice with the threat of relegation hoping that in 4-5 years time our scouting system will have uncovered some players for the first team.

 

Ashley knows this, and also knowing that to make a serious impact (and therefore increase the clubs value) in the league, he will have to invest a LOT of money into the first team squad. So in my opinion he has went for the cheaper option of trying to make the club look more appealing behind the scenes and trying for a quicker sale before we are in serious threat of relegation, and therefore less attractive.

 

This is what he's been planning all along, it's just happened quicker than he expected with all the protests.

 

If he was as traumatised as he says he is then lets see how much he accepts for the club, a small but not to shabby profit or hold out out for a ridiculous amount that has been reported in the papers.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

We were never in danger of relegation this season.

 

We flirted with it through Big Sam's non-football, but the squad stronger and with Keegan's brand of football we would have been fine.

[Teasy]

 

How do you know Wise has done nothing wrong? In all honestly we know fuck all about what's happened internally.

 

And Hull were more than good value for their win imo, 1-2 flattered us a fair bit.

 

We could easily have been 2:0 up before they got there dodgy penalty.  No idea how anyone can say 1:2 flattered us 

[magorific]

I'm sick of people not blaming KK for something.

 

Piss off you twats.

I'm sick of people blaming KK for things.

 

Piss of you twats.

i'm sick of people blindly believing one side or the other with no f***ing evidence.

 

piss off you twats.

Quite.

 

No evidence? FFS, look at the state of our f**ing squad! Not one fit full-back after KK went on for literally months about needing new full-backs in.

 

[Jay Jay Sea]

I don't believe or trust the fella. A shrewd business man, purchased the club to have a laugh, out of his depth, communication skills absolutely pitiful, utter lack of respect for supporters AND players as well as creating angst with figureheads (past & present) at the club. Figureheads who actually know what the club means to its followers.  A man prepared to go to great lengths to stamp his authority on the club and upset anyone and anything that got in his way by doing it HIS way.  All of this without ever having any experience at at being the owner of a club. A club where the cities number one passion, above anything else, is NUFC. An owner who, in his statement yesterday, 'suggested' that his life and his families life was in danger through being assaulted and this is the reason why he has to sell up.  That's a slur on the character on the vast majority Tynesiders/NUFC supporters particularly where a number of PEACEFUL demonstrations took place on Saturday.

The man literally has created a storm on Tyneside and he's sitting in the middle of his own self-created whirlwind. The problem is though, in my opinion, he's only just began to realise the sh*t storm he's created.