Joe Kinnear

[La Parka]

He sounds like he has his head screwed on in the interview on 5 live.

[midds]

Sky were waiting for him at the airport tonight and, true to form, shoved a mic in his face straight away. 

 

He did ok though and I'd forgotten how much I actually liked the bloke. Seems very genuine and straight. He's not the answer but he's in charge of NUFC and he deserves a bit of respect.

 

An early goal would be magic. Too often we've fallen behind and gone on to lose it. Score first and battle like fuck to stay ahead.

 

Hit them hard, hit them early.   

[Kaizero]

http://cards.littleoak.com.au/197071_abc_orangebacks/tot_211_joe_kinnear.JPG

[OzzieMandias]

Strangely, not one but two quite good articles in the Guardian.

 

First up... Russell Brand:

 

Have a go, Joe - it's a Mel Brooks comedy

By appointing Joe Kinnear as Newcastle manager, Mike Ashley could be employing a ruse to rival The Producers

 

All comments (5)

Well, firstly, obviously, let's do the pun - "Joke-in-'Ere". Joe Kinnear, so "Joke in here". Obviously. Here being St James' Park, the joke being that a lovely gent who hasn't managed since a dim period at Nottingham Forest in 2004 has been made Prince regent of the Geordie nation until a clumsy coronation for a new king can be hastily slung together.

 

I'm writing this moments after the press release confirming Joe "Crazy Gang" Kinnear's appointment as Newcastle United manager so I'm prepared to accept that my perfect pun at the start of the piece will have been whored around the red tops and will now be so heavily lacquered with the jism of weary disdain as to be barely visible to your bleary eyes, but perfect puns, like perfect bums, are almost impossible to resist.

 

Many of us thought that the Keegan resurrection was loopy. After his inevitable re-crucifixion the suggestion of a temporary Venables reign was mooted and the people labelled it daft. Terry sagely spurned the opportunity to be the focus of seething resentment so the spotlight fell on Glenn "instant karma's gonna get ya" Hoddle - "Wow. Now that's really silly," we all thought.

 

It turns out that all these seemingly bizarre events were, in fact, relatively rational junctions on a road trip to utter idiocy. WheEeeEEeeeee!!!!! Let's give the job to Joe Kinnear. Is this a Mel Brooks comedy? Are we to learn that, actually, Mike Ashley has devised some kind of so bad it's good, Max Bialystock-style con to balls up Newcastle so badly that somehow he can cash in the insurance? Wimbledon under Kinnear may have been the "Crazy Gang" but what we are now confronted with is the "Quite Simply Mentally Ill Gang" where instead of Vinnie Jones cheekily tipping champagne over Dennis Wise's head you get the board of Newcastle United urinating over the hopes and dreams of hundreds of thousands of devoted fans. If it wasn't so sad it'd be porn.

 

The connection between Toon technical director Wise and Kinnear, whilst not literal, as he had already left the Dons before JK's tenure began, is unlikely to be well received by the already exhausted United faithful who reportedly already consider Dennis's surname to be sarcastic. I am no expert, I willingly confess, and I admire what Wise achieved at Leeds. Furthermore I wouldn't seek to condemn any individual for this institutionalised fiasco. But I will say this; when my mate said to me "Guess who Newcastle have just appointed as manager?" sensing some cynical glee in his tone I responded thus: guess 1, Glenn Hoddle; guess 2, Avram Grant - at which point my mate intervened to tell me my guessing style was too conventional and contemporary; so guess 3, was John Toshack - he said I was in the right era but my guess needed to be more stupid; I rattled out Phil Thompson, Ron Atkinson and Brian Clough before the game was abandoned and the actual name of "Joe Kinnear" revealed. For me this has no real consequences or physical relevance but my genuine reaction was to initially force my mind to remember what the words "Joe Kinnear" semantically represent, then to laugh - hence "Joke in 'Ere".

 

I'm not having a go at Joe who himself admits that "fans will be disappointed" - that must be a bloody tricky way to start a new job - knowing that the only people cheered by the news will be fans of Sunderland and Boro. The truth is I hope he does well during his surely brief period as Newcastle manager. From the broader perspective of a human being who happens to be alive at the same time as Mike Ashley I have nothing but love for him and all other members of our species, everywhere on our planet. But as a football fan, fucking hell chaps, come on.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2008/sep/27/premierleague.newcastleunited

[OzzieMandias]

And some other bloke...

 

In the space of a few moments Joe Kinnear went from being a bizarre choice as caretaker manager of Newcastle United to looking the ideal candidate. A microphone had no sooner been put before him than he showed an aptitude for mayhem that will suit him perfectly to the endless turmoil of Tyneside. Others simply endure the maelstrom but Kinnear ramped up the volatility. Where else would a temporary employee announce an imminent takeover and then declare that Kevin Keegan, possibly accompanied by Alan Shearer, would be in charge under the new regime?

 

No journalist can deplore indiscretions with a straight face and it must be conceded that newspapers are now in Kinnear's debt. However, his selection was a shock because, if anything, it compounded the sense of risk at Newcastle. There must be a few overseas newcomers on the books who have never heard of him and who will be dumbfounded when they realise that his last stint in management was with Nottingham Forest in 2004.

 

If the owner, Mike Ashley, instructed Kinnear to put information about Keegan and Shearer into the public domain, it is a perplexing strategy. Indeed, there was general bafflement about such declarations, with associates of Shearer not only nonplussed but convinced that he would refuse to be part of such a structure. And the prospective purchasers of Newcastle, who may be a Nigerian consortium, cannot be on the verge of completing the formalities if we must wait until the end of next month before they are installed.

 

At least there was a thread of logic to be followed in the advent of Kinnear. The inevitable reasoning is that he arrives because of his past association at Wimbledon with Dennis Wise, Newcastle's executive director (football). None the less, their alliance at St James' Park must necessarily be brief if Keegan is on his way back. The reappointment of the manager cannot be feasible without the removal of Wise. That, however, begs the question of how the club are to be organised in the long term.

 

Wise, in effect, has been director of football and although such figures are often reviled they are essential now that players are acquired from all parts of the globe. He and Tony Jimenez, the vice-president (player recruitment) at Newcastle, have made useful additions to the squad. Although it was intolerable to Keegan that efforts were reportedly being made to offload people he wanted to retain, the running of clubs can never be simple again. Unless Keegan could acquire a deep knowledge of the global game while also running the first team, he would have to find a way of operating in partnership with others, even if Wise and Jimenez were banished. Ashley, indeed, was culpable in neglecting to hammer out an understanding of how the three individuals would function together.

 

The mooted reinstatement of Keegan, widely anticipated as it has been by bookmakers, will also revive reservations about him. He is a stimulating character and the doubts are really about whether, at heart, he still has a yearning to be a manager. He left Manchester City in the summer of 2005 after explaining that he wanted to retire from professional football. That fatigue did not seem feigned. He was preoccupied thereafter with his Soccer Circus business. Some, indeed, made the link between a return to St James' Park, on a salary put at £3m, and the losses his company had been making.

 

By his own admission, Keegan had not attended a Premier League match since the parting with City. His attachment to Newcastle is real but that in itself did not mean that he would have the drive, day by day, to lead the club. Nor did it show that he was up to date with all the developments in a fast-changing sport.

 

Ashley's populist donning of that replica Keegan jersey might actually have disheartened sceptical elements in the crowd. Newcastle have to do far more than tap into Tyneside nostalgia. In truth it is natural for these fans to respond to emotional appeals. Lacking a major honour since the 1955 FA Cup, the spectators are bound to dream of some transformative power. Indeed, the same phenomenon would develop at any prominent club with passionate followers that had encountered nothing but disappointment for two generations.

 

None the less, it was Ashley's duty to stick to a long-term, reasoned policy. Summoning Keegan was a theatrical coup. The St James' Park crowd deserves far more than an appeal to its emotions, limitless as those appear to be.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2008/sep/27/newcastleunited.premierleague

[Guest Brazilianbob]

Sky were waiting for him at the airport tonight and, true to form, shoved a mic in his face straight away. 

 

He did ok though and I'd forgotten how much I actually liked the bloke. Seems very genuine and straight. He's not the answer but he's in charge of NUFC and he deserves a bit of respect.

 

An early goal would be magic. Too often we've fallen behind and gone on to lose it. Score first and battle like f*** to stay ahead.

 

Hit them hard, hit them early.   

 

Who says he is not the answer?  If he gets a few decent results and the players start coming back from injury and suspension  we may well get a bit of a run going.  Lets not forget that we still have the likes of Viduka, Carroll, Barton, Gutierrez, Beye, Lua LUa, Martins and even Smith who are currently not available.  Most of them will walk into the first team so we are currently a bit hamstrung in terms of player selection if you forgive the play on words 

[La Parka]

And some other bloke...

 

In the space of a few moments Joe Kinnear went from being a bizarre choice as caretaker manager of Newcastle United to looking the ideal candidate. A microphone had no sooner been put before him than he showed an aptitude for mayhem that will suit him perfectly to the endless turmoil of Tyneside. Others simply endure the maelstrom but Kinnear ramped up the volatility. Where else would a temporary employee announce an imminent takeover and then declare that Kevin Keegan, possibly accompanied by Alan Shearer, would be in charge under the new regime?

 

No journalist can deplore indiscretions with a straight face and it must be conceded that newspapers are now in Kinnear's debt. However, his selection was a shock because, if anything, it compounded the sense of risk at Newcastle. There must be a few overseas newcomers on the books who have never heard of him and who will be dumbfounded when they realise that his last stint in management was with Nottingham Forest in 2004.

 

If the owner, Mike Ashley, instructed Kinnear to put information about Keegan and Shearer into the public domain, it is a perplexing strategy. Indeed, there was general bafflement about such declarations, with associates of Shearer not only nonplussed but convinced that he would refuse to be part of such a structure. And the prospective purchasers of Newcastle, who may be a Nigerian consortium, cannot be on the verge of completing the formalities if we must wait until the end of next month before they are installed.

 

At least there was a thread of logic to be followed in the advent of Kinnear. The inevitable reasoning is that he arrives because of his past association at Wimbledon with Dennis Wise, Newcastle's executive director (football). None the less, their alliance at St James' Park must necessarily be brief if Keegan is on his way back. The reappointment of the manager cannot be feasible without the removal of Wise. That, however, begs the question of how the club are to be organised in the long term.

 

Wise, in effect, has been director of football and although such figures are often reviled they are essential now that players are acquired from all parts of the globe. He and Tony Jimenez, the vice-president (player recruitment) at Newcastle, have made useful additions to the squad. Although it was intolerable to Keegan that efforts were reportedly being made to offload people he wanted to retain, the running of clubs can never be simple again. Unless Keegan could acquire a deep knowledge of the global game while also running the first team, he would have to find a way of operating in partnership with others, even if Wise and Jimenez were banished. Ashley, indeed, was culpable in neglecting to hammer out an understanding of how the three individuals would function together.

 

The mooted reinstatement of Keegan, widely anticipated as it has been by bookmakers, will also revive reservations about him. He is a stimulating character and the doubts are really about whether, at heart, he still has a yearning to be a manager. He left Manchester City in the summer of 2005 after explaining that he wanted to retire from professional football. That fatigue did not seem feigned. He was preoccupied thereafter with his Soccer Circus business. Some, indeed, made the link between a return to St James' Park, on a salary put at £3m, and the losses his company had been making.

 

By his own admission, Keegan had not attended a Premier League match since the parting with City. His attachment to Newcastle is real but that in itself did not mean that he would have the drive, day by day, to lead the club. Nor did it show that he was up to date with all the developments in a fast-changing sport.

 

Ashley's populist donning of that replica Keegan jersey might actually have disheartened sceptical elements in the crowd. Newcastle have to do far more than tap into Tyneside nostalgia. In truth it is natural for these fans to respond to emotional appeals. Lacking a major honour since the 1955 FA Cup, the spectators are bound to dream of some transformative power. Indeed, the same phenomenon would develop at any prominent club with passionate followers that had encountered nothing but disappointment for two generations.

 

None the less, it was Ashley's duty to stick to a long-term, reasoned policy. Summoning Keegan was a theatrical coup. The St James' Park crowd deserves far more than an appeal to its emotions, limitless as those appear to be.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2008/sep/27/newcastleunited.premierleague

 

[SUPERTOON]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/article1740781.ece

[La Parka]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/article1740781.ece

 

First thing he could do is punch some of our less professional players light out.

[Guest Edd]

And some other bloke...

 

In the space of a few moments Joe Kinnear went from being a bizarre choice as caretaker manager of Newcastle United to looking the ideal candidate. A microphone had no sooner been put before him than he showed an aptitude for mayhem that will suit him perfectly to the endless turmoil of Tyneside. Others simply endure the maelstrom but Kinnear ramped up the volatility. Where else would a temporary employee announce an imminent takeover and then declare that Kevin Keegan, possibly accompanied by Alan Shearer, would be in charge under the new regime?

 

No journalist can deplore indiscretions with a straight face and it must be conceded that newspapers are now in Kinnear's debt. However, his selection was a shock because, if anything, it compounded the sense of risk at Newcastle. There must be a few overseas newcomers on the books who have never heard of him and who will be dumbfounded when they realise that his last stint in management was with Nottingham Forest in 2004.

 

If the owner, Mike Ashley, instructed Kinnear to put information about Keegan and Shearer into the public domain, it is a perplexing strategy. Indeed, there was general bafflement about such declarations, with associates of Shearer not only nonplussed but convinced that he would refuse to be part of such a structure. And the prospective purchasers of Newcastle, who may be a Nigerian consortium, cannot be on the verge of completing the formalities if we must wait until the end of next month before they are installed.

 

At least there was a thread of logic to be followed in the advent of Kinnear. The inevitable reasoning is that he arrives because of his past association at Wimbledon with Dennis Wise, Newcastle's executive director (football). None the less, their alliance at St James' Park must necessarily be brief if Keegan is on his way back. The reappointment of the manager cannot be feasible without the removal of Wise. That, however, begs the question of how the club are to be organised in the long term.

 

Wise, in effect, has been director of football and although such figures are often reviled they are essential now that players are acquired from all parts of the globe. He and Tony Jimenez, the vice-president (player recruitment) at Newcastle, have made useful additions to the squad. Although it was intolerable to Keegan that efforts were reportedly being made to offload people he wanted to retain, the running of clubs can never be simple again. Unless Keegan could acquire a deep knowledge of the global game while also running the first team, he would have to find a way of operating in partnership with others, even if Wise and Jimenez were banished. Ashley, indeed, was culpable in neglecting to hammer out an understanding of how the three individuals would function together.

 

The mooted reinstatement of Keegan, widely anticipated as it has been by bookmakers, will also revive reservations about him. He is a stimulating character and the doubts are really about whether, at heart, he still has a yearning to be a manager. He left Manchester City in the summer of 2005 after explaining that he wanted to retire from professional football. That fatigue did not seem feigned. He was preoccupied thereafter with his Soccer Circus business. Some, indeed, made the link between a return to St James' Park, on a salary put at £3m, and the losses his company had been making.

 

By his own admission, Keegan had not attended a Premier League match since the parting with City. His attachment to Newcastle is real but that in itself did not mean that he would have the drive, day by day, to lead the club. Nor did it show that he was up to date with all the developments in a fast-changing sport.

 

Ashley's populist donning of that replica Keegan jersey might actually have disheartened sceptical elements in the crowd. Newcastle have to do far more than tap into Tyneside nostalgia. In truth it is natural for these fans to respond to emotional appeals. Lacking a major honour since the 1955 FA Cup, the spectators are bound to dream of some transformative power. Indeed, the same phenomenon would develop at any prominent club with passionate followers that had encountered nothing but disappointment for two generations.

 

None the less, it was Ashley's duty to stick to a long-term, reasoned policy. Summoning Keegan was a theatrical coup. The St James' Park crowd deserves far more than an appeal to its emotions, limitless as those appear to be.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2008/sep/27/newcastleunited.premierleague

 

Excellent piece 

[Guest Geordiesned]

As stunned as I am by the appointment I'll not be getting on his back. After all he's stepped into the breach knowing that it's not the move the fans wanted and knowing the situation and he's the only person seemingly with the guts to.

 

I won't exactly be giving him a standing ovation but I most certainly won't be shouting abuse at him and chanting anything about hating cockneys. As said in another thread I think any further protests (certainly in the stadium) will be detrimental to the team and I'll be giving 100% support to the team.

[Tom_NUFC]

As it's a short term appointment I'm not getting worked up.

 

In a situation like this, we were never going to get a top manager on a short term basis. Fair play to him for coming in I reckon, because it's uncertain.

 

Yeah, he's known for hoofing the ball, but short term I don't mind, if he can improve morale and string some results together. He doesn't need people getting on his back.

[abcdefg]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/article1740781.ece

 

That sounds like a right old barrel o' cockney monkeys.

[Optimistic Nut]

Just a thought, but if this really is only for 6 weeks, and Ashley really is about to sell-up with the new lot bringing Keegan back, two weeks ago when Keegan met Ashley, do you not think Keegan could have came back at that point knowing it'll only be another 2 months working in those circumstances? Or even this week, if it's true, Ashley could have easily met KK and said, look, here's the situation, come back and I'll be gone in 6 weeks and then it's upto the new owner what he wants you to do.

[JH]

He's been in the job less than 24 hours, and he's already been more forward and honest with the press than our previous managers/owners have been in a long time.

 

Good luck to him, I hope he's successful in this next couple of months.

[Guest johnson293]

Given Unsure by Kinnear Appointment...

 

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_4201341,00.html

 

Newcastle goalkeeper Shay Given admits he has been left underwhelmed by the appointment of Joe Kinnear as the club's new manager.

 

Kinnear was named as Newcastle's interim boss until the end of October on Friday in a shock move by the Magpies hierarchy.

 

The former Wimbledon boss concedes his appointment will not go down well the club's supporters and long-serving keeper Given admits he is far from impressed by the appointment of Kinnear.

 

"Am I pleased? No," Given told The Sun. "The club is still up for sale and we haven't got a permanent manager so I wouldn't say pleased.

 

"It's going somewhere I suppose but I don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing.

 

"I don't know the man. I've met him and said hello but that's about it.

 

"The most important thing for the players is to concentrate on Blackburn and on Monday we'll probably meet him.

 

"I don't know what to say but in an ideal world we'd like the club sorted out and a permanent manager.

 

"Joe Kinnear's here just to oversee things until we get one. It is not an ideal situation.

 

"No senior players were asked about this as far as I know. I'd class myself as a senior player and no one has told me anything.

 

"The owner's come out and said he wants to sell the club, so I think the sooner the better so we can move forward.

 

"There's a lot of uncertainty around the club and it's not helping anyone."

 

Asked if he would like to see Kevin Keegan return, Given said: "I didn't want to see him leave, so that answers that.

 

"It doesn't matter if the new manager or owner comes in next week, nothing can be done until January."

 

[BlueStar]

Sounds like they're putting words in his mouth with the headline, they've asked if he's pleased and he's said "Am I pleased? No, The club is still up for sale and we haven't got a permanent manager so I wouldn't say pleased."  That's different from saying he's not pleased at the appointment, he's saying of course he's not 'pleased' with the current situation.

[Cajun]

I think Shay is more unimpressed with the situation than Kinnear himself.

 

Edit: What Bluestar said 

[TRon]

I think Shay is more unimpressed with the situation than Kinnear himself.

 

Edit: What Bluestar said 

 

Don't really know what more can be done to improve the situation. The club is being sold, new owners are hopefully coming in,Keegan might even be returning and we've even found someone willing to take the job for a month.

[Cajun]

I think Shay is more unimpressed with the situation than Kinnear himself.

 

Edit: What Bluestar said 

 

Don't really know what more can be done to improve the situation. The club is being sold, new owners are hopefully coming in,Keegan might even be returning and we've even found someone willing to take the job for a month.

 

Its still not a great situation to be in is it? Obviously we are here now so we have to get on with it but its like knocking someones teeth out then saying "Well I am paying your dentist bills so why are you moaning!?".

[Dave]

Asked if he would like to see Kevin Keegan return, Given said: "I didn't want to see him leave, so that answers that."

 

I wonder if they all would welcome Keegan back.

[Ronaldo]

Asked if he would like to see Kevin Keegan return, Given said: "I didn't want to see him leave, so that answers that."

 

I wonder if they all would welcome Keegan back.

 

all except Ameobi you'd think

[TRon]

I think Shay is more unimpressed with the situation than Kinnear himself.

 

Edit: What Bluestar said 

 

Don't really know what more can be done to improve the situation. The club is being sold, new owners are hopefully coming in,Keegan might even be returning and we've even found someone willing to take the job for a month.

 

Its still not a great situation to be in is it? Obviously we are here now so we have to get on with it but its like knocking someones teeth out then saying "Well I am paying your dentist bills so why are you moaning!?".

 

That's ok but when I hear our players moaning about it, sounds like the excuses are already being prepared. I'd far rather he just said "not in our hands we've got a game of football to play and that's what we are concentrating on."

 

 

[Cajun]

But then people (not you) start moaning that the players are keeping shut and not letting the fans know their opinions.

 

There is never going to be a way to please everyone so they probably don't know what to say half the time.

[Guest Mantis]

I've got no issue with Shay's comments, if they even are his comments.  You can never believe owt these days.  As for JK, he's been open and honest.  We are desperate, he's desperate to get back into football and it is a mutually convenient situation.  If he can motivate an kind of performance in the next few weeks, then that is good.  I'm pretty sure he knows the players need to refocus and play for themselves as they will be the ones left to fight out of this mess when the silent comics on the board have f***ed off with their barrel full of cash out of the club.

 

We need to back him and the team now and I would love the fans to be upbeat and in full voice today.  Move on from the negative chants etc as I think it is safe to assume the club is going to change hands soon enough.  We can then look forward.

 

Howay the Toon!