Segun Oluwaniyi Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 I've never really loved Carroll's game outside of being the number 9 and a local boy (which was very fun to experience at the time). I still think he'll always be a bit of a blunt object upfront and that the last two years have shown who he really is. This is a striker with one exceptional skill, who will often enter purple patches of good goalscoring form, but will struggle to be consistent at the top level and should not be put under the pressure of being a team's main/only goal threat. The idea of pressure getting to him is an overrated part of the story, imo. That being said, he would still be a brilliant option for a team in our position, if we can maybe halve his obscene wages. Foluwashola, Demba-Demba, and Ameobi is a Champions League strikeforce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 cp40, all our transfer targets at the moment are technically gifted players who can play several different roles. Carroll, for me, was absolutely perfect in the system of Barton putting in top crosses and having Kevin Nolan beside him whose movement in the final third is excellent. Carroll could probably do a lot of knockdowns for Cisse but it would probably be at the expense of Ba. Ba is a far more natural goalscorer, has better technique and can play in different systems. Whilst Carroll was once perfect for us, he really isn't anymore. That's why I'd be disappointed, nothing to do with him as a person as I've always really liked him and want him to do well, just not at our expense its fair enough comment. but im not convinced they will both be here next season, hope im wrong. Im fairly sure Pardew hinted in his live radio interview he was looking to bring in a target man as an out ball when we were under pressure, as he was using shola for. I also think he is probably the best forward around at this present time who is trying to get a move here, and that in mind we should take the opportunity if it is there. edit- i have a very good feeling about him and cisse. Im rarely wrong about these things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Just seen this, he can fuck right off after his display against us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 I'm starting to think the offer is a pisstake Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 cp40, all our transfer targets at the moment are technically gifted players who can play several different roles. Carroll, for me, was absolutely perfect in the system of Barton putting in top crosses and having Kevin Nolan beside him whose movement in the final third is excellent. Carroll could probably do a lot of knockdowns for Cisse but it would probably be at the expense of Ba. Ba is a far more natural goalscorer, has better technique and can play in different systems. Whilst Carroll was once perfect for us, he really isn't anymore. That's why I'd be disappointed, nothing to do with him as a person as I've always really liked him and want him to do well, just not at our expense Ba showed last season he's very good at playing as a pairing in a 442. Other than that? He was poor in the 433 and showed he can't really play wide. I'm not having that. We had our best run all season with him playing there. It worked, certainly better than it ever would with Carroll there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Just seen this, he can fuck right off after his display against us. Seinfeld gif. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 cp40, all our transfer targets at the moment are technically gifted players who can play several different roles. Carroll, for me, was absolutely perfect in the system of Barton putting in top crosses and having Kevin Nolan beside him whose movement in the final third is excellent. Carroll could probably do a lot of knockdowns for Cisse but it would probably be at the expense of Ba. Ba is a far more natural goalscorer, has better technique and can play in different systems. Whilst Carroll was once perfect for us, he really isn't anymore. That's why I'd be disappointed, nothing to do with him as a person as I've always really liked him and want him to do well, just not at our expense How many goals did Carroll score from Barton crosses? West Ham away and then im struggling. Another myth is how Barton played in that season. He was better than the rest of his nothing years at NUFC but he was hardly regularly creative. He just wasn't as disappointing as prior seasons. I don't know the stats on crosses for goals but there were definitely a number of crosses over from barton with knockdowns from Carroll which led to goals/goalscoring opportunities. I'm not saying Barton was great that season, I don't rate him as a footballer that much but he certainly put in a lot of decent crosses. Ba was dead on his feet for most of the second part of the season so it's difficult to rate how effective he is in a 4-3-3 and out wide. I don't doubt for a minute that if we start this season with him out wide or deeper in a 4-3-3 we'll see a much better Ba than we did from Feb onwards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 I'm starting to think the offer is a pisstake I'll only believe that when we make a bid for Enrique as second choice goalkeeper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Just seen this, he can fuck right off after his display against us. http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt0dzfM2ea1qzy5spo1_500.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Just remembered Shearer when Carroll scored that hat-trick against Villa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 cp40, all our transfer targets at the moment are technically gifted players who can play several different roles. Carroll, for me, was absolutely perfect in the system of Barton putting in top crosses and having Kevin Nolan beside him whose movement in the final third is excellent. Carroll could probably do a lot of knockdowns for Cisse but it would probably be at the expense of Ba. Ba is a far more natural goalscorer, has better technique and can play in different systems. Whilst Carroll was once perfect for us, he really isn't anymore. That's why I'd be disappointed, nothing to do with him as a person as I've always really liked him and want him to do well, just not at our expense How many goals did Carroll score from Barton crosses? West Ham away and then im struggling. Another myth is how Barton played in that season. He was better than the rest of his nothing years at NUFC but he was hardly regularly creative. He just wasn't as disappointing as prior seasons. Barton set up his goal at Wolves, at West Ham, at Arsenal, at home to Blackburn, and at home to Man City. Most of them set-pieces. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 cp40, all our transfer targets at the moment are technically gifted players who can play several different roles. Carroll, for me, was absolutely perfect in the system of Barton putting in top crosses and having Kevin Nolan beside him whose movement in the final third is excellent. Carroll could probably do a lot of knockdowns for Cisse but it would probably be at the expense of Ba. Ba is a far more natural goalscorer, has better technique and can play in different systems. Whilst Carroll was once perfect for us, he really isn't anymore. That's why I'd be disappointed, nothing to do with him as a person as I've always really liked him and want him to do well, just not at our expense Ba showed last season he's very good at playing as a pairing in a 442. Other than that? He was poor in the 433 and showed he can't really play wide. I'm not having that. We had our best run all season with him playing there. It worked, certainly better than it ever would with Carroll there. Yes it worked, agreed. But probably in spite of Ba not because of him. He got a single goal in that time and some of his showings were to be kind, iffy. Cisse's form papered over how mediocre he was from Feb- May. He was blistering in the 442 with Best but we accommodated Cisse and Ba's form dropped. We had Cisse, HBA and Cabye to thnk for the spring run as all three hit a very good run of form. Ba's a great guy to have up top, he's wasted playing wide and his performances and (dare I say it) body language suggested he wasn't overly keen on playing that role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Just remembered Shearer when Carroll scored that hat-trick against Villa. Counting money wasn't he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Other 6 btw were the hattrick against Villa (Williamson x2, Xisco), screamer vs Liverpool, Alex passback vs Chelsea and Bolton away (Shola). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 I hope I'm wrong but I think he'll come here on loan on the last day of the transfer window because I think he'll turn other cluns down, that's a total guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Yes, Ba was less effective as a winger, however the team benefited greatly from the change in formation. I don't think Carroll can play in a front 3, if we accept that Demba is not particularly happy/effective in that position, should we not look for a versatile player who can fit in across the front 3, as opposed to Andy Carroll who cannot fit at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest BooBoo Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Yes, Ba was less effective as a winger, however the team benefited greatly from the change in formation. I don't think Carroll can play in a front 3, if we accept that Demba is not particularly happy/effective in that position, should we not look for a versatile player who can fit in across the front 3, as opposed to Andy Carroll who cannot fit at all. Perhaps we should but it's easier said than done. It's been suggested that we're looking for this ideal striker who can play up top and if required potentially the left side. Who is this player? Luke de Jong? He's too expensive. Who we go for will be determined by cost, keenness to sell and the player wanting to join. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest StellaExpress Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 I can honestly see him coming back and I have read the pros and cons of the move in great detail and this is my stance. Did Andy ask to leave = hmmm not sure Was he forced = no i dont think so however 35m is a hell of a lot of cash. He is a great player and if he came on loan and was half the player he was for NUFC he will be better than Lovenkrands (nearly man) and Best put together So i am for the move. wouldnt pay anywhere near 15m as a future fee however they need to agree a fee before hand as I feel he will do well which will bump up price. This is why I believe its been rejected. They will want to see how he does before agreeing any fee and Newcastle will be trying to insert 10-13m fee agreed in to loan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest andrew Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Just a sidenote formation related, some of our best performances came 442 though and at chelsea we didn't play direct (simpson didn't play) so I don't see why with two new defenders 442's qualities that pardew seems to prefer will be any less pleasing visually than 4231. Not related to your point about versatility Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 This interest in Carroll is almost certainly opportunistic. I'm confident we have targets beyond De Jong and will strive to get those in, once we get the more pressing matter of the Simpson/Debuchy situation sorted out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Yes, Ba was less effective as a winger, however the team benefited greatly from the change in formation. I don't think Carroll can play in a front 3, if we accept that Demba is not particularly happy/effective in that position, should we not look for a versatile player who can fit in across the front 3, as opposed to Andy Carroll who cannot fit at all. Perhaps we should but it's easier said than done. It's been suggested that we're looking for this ideal striker who can play up top and if required potentially the left side. Who is this player? Luke de Jong? He's too expensive. Who we go for will be determined by cost, keenness to sell and the player wanting to join. I have no idea who we should buy, I just know it is definitely not Andy Carroll. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Whoever we buy it'll be similar to last season tactically. Against the top sides we'll see a more solid 442 and against the poorer teams it will be 433. I'm all for that as it doesn't really benefit to be overly rigid or inflexible. It's too often a managers downfall that they have a firm belief in one system and then no credible plan b. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 This interest in Carroll is almost certainly opportunistic. I'm confident we have targets beyond De Jong and will strive to get those in, once we get the more pressing matter of the Simpson/Debuchy situation sorted out. If we're still needing a striker later in the window then we might come back to this, but we're just trying it on IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest StellaExpress Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Lee Ryder @lee_ryder The big thing is #nufc and #lfc are around the table re Carroll Couldnt agree more with the above Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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