Stuy_O Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 So the loan bid was rejected? Rodgers as good as said he would let him go on loan. Getting bad vibes about this, can see him coming permanently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 VERY surprised but this....just doesn't make sense. a.) He hoes not suit our style of play which lwas so effective last season b.) Yes he adds something different but if he were to come you'd hope he'd be plan B - that then begs the question what would be the point of him coming - plus Ameobi plays that role well atm c.) Isn't the type of player we need - yes De Jong move has collapsed - but surely they had other strikers lined up? It all just seems rather desperate. A) We need and will play more than one style of play, as we did last season. B) Shola does the hold-the-ball-up thing well but his goal record is dreadful. 2 last season. C) How do you know we have other players lined up? Pardew has clearly always rated him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Has there been any word on who leaked this story btw? Was thinking just that - wouldn't have thought it would have come from our side Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 just a distraction from whom we're really after to make them re-adjust the price Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Yes, Ba was less effective as a winger, however the team benefited greatly from the change in formation. I don't think Carroll can play in a front 3, if we accept that Demba is not particularly happy/effective in that position, should we not look for a versatile player who can fit in across the front 3, as opposed to Andy Carroll who cannot fit at all. Perhaps we should but it's easier said than done. It's been suggested that we're looking for this ideal striker who can play up top and if required potentially the left side. Who is this player? Luke de Jong? He's too expensive. Who we go for will be determined by cost, keenness to sell and the player wanting to join. I have no idea who we should buy, I just know it is definitely not Andy Carroll. We should acquire the best players available and build a system that works for them, instead of trying to fit talented players into a system that has been preconceived. The decision to play 4-3-3 was based heavily on the acquisition of Cisse, the revitalisation of Hatem Ben Arfa, and the versatility of Gutierrez. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toondave Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Don't know if it's come up but could we see Ba going the other way? I think we need another striker full stop not 1 in 1 out and would rather Ba over Carroll but you never know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 He isn't coming so dont get you knickers in a twist! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 I disagree that it seems desperate. It seems anything but to me. Merely chancing our arm, but with plenty other options out there to explore. If we get Carrol do you really think there will be another striker through the door? We need a player who fits in our current system and can cover for Ba/Cisse when they leave for the African Nations Cup. If we get Carrol we'll have change our style completely to fit in with him. That is my concern. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 2010 was when Carroll was at his best. Some of the stuff he played was almost Shearer-esque, that's how good his potential was back then. He hasn't progressed at all in the last two years though and that's really down to him. His attitude has been poor - he's still somewhat immature. The many times he'd been called out for his off-field antics (ie. his boozing) and not doing anything about just epitomised the level of his attitude. You could put that down to him being homesick or you could put that down to Dalglish's shitness but one thing's for sure imo, he simply hasn't been professional. The back end of last season saw glimpses of the Carroll of old but his decent form came too little, too late in terms of doing anything to justify his £35 million price tag. Definitely don't want him back here as I see it as a step in the wrong direction. We've moved on and he made his choice so I would rather we concentrate on bringing in other targets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest StellaExpress Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 So the loan bid was rejected? Rodgers as good as said he would let him go on loan. Getting bad vibes about this, can see him coming permanently. Nah not permanently. The crack is apparently we have offered to pay 50% of wages and tried to get a future fee of 12m..... Even Liverpool are not that stupid! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 So the loan bid was rejected? Rodgers as good as said he would let him go on loan. Getting bad vibes about this, can see him coming permanently. Nah not permanently. The crack is apparently we have offered to pay 50% of wages and tried to get a future fee of 12m..... Even Liverpool are not that stupid! Fair that. Ashley & Dekka will make it happen sooner or later, if they want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Wouldn't be surprised if Carroll leaked the story. We're chancing it, not really bothered. He's desperate to come back and Liverpool only want to sell him. [/total speculation] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 What the fuck..just saw this on the news. Don't want him back thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timnufc22 Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 cp40, all our transfer targets at the moment are technically gifted players who can play several different roles. Carroll, for me, was absolutely perfect in the system of Barton putting in top crosses and having Kevin Nolan beside him whose movement in the final third is excellent. Carroll could probably do a lot of knockdowns for Cisse but it would probably be at the expense of Ba. Ba is a far more natural goalscorer, has better technique and can play in different systems. Whilst Carroll was once perfect for us, he really isn't anymore. That's why I'd be disappointed, nothing to do with him as a person as I've always really liked him and want him to do well, just not at our expense How many goals did Carroll score from Barton crosses? West Ham away and then im struggling. Another myth is how Barton played in that season. He was better than the rest of his nothing years at NUFC but he was hardly regularly creative. He just wasn't as disappointing as prior seasons. I don't know the stats on crosses for goals but there were definitely a number of crosses over from barton with knockdowns from Carroll which led to goals/goalscoring opportunities. I'm not saying Barton was great that season, I don't rate him as a footballer that much but he certainly put in a lot of decent crosses. Ba was dead on his feet for most of the second part of the season so it's difficult to rate how effective he is in a 4-3-3 and out wide. I don't doubt for a minute that if we start this season with him out wide or deeper in a 4-3-3 we'll see a much better Ba than we did from Feb onwards But he dosent want to, from what you can gather. A fit and focused Carroll could play that role, and cause havoc just like he did for us, imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest StellaExpress Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Wouldn't be surprised if Carroll leaked the story. We're chancing it, not really bothered. He's desperate to come back and Liverpool only want to sell him. [/total speculation] Its no secret that Carroll is homesick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Realist Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Ashley and Dekka drunk as hell, giggling into the phone, placing random loan bids then laughing and hanging up. It's how it goes in my mind anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR15 Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Still living in a hotel isn't he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 No thanks for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 On RAWK somebody says they want Cabaye as part of the deal. The response from one of them: "Don't want that horrible individual here." The fans that worship Suarez Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR15 Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 #preyforcabaye Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 On RAWK somebody says they want Cabaye as part of the deal. The response from one of them: "Don't want that horrible individual here." The fans that worship Suarez Stupid cunts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 rather have adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest StellaExpress Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 On RAWK somebody says they want Cabaye as part of the deal. The response from one of them: "Don't want that horrible individual here." The fans that worship Suarez No way will they get Cabaye. He is easily worth 20m+ already Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 On RAWK somebody says they want Cabaye as part of the deal. The response from one of them: "Don't want that horrible individual here." The fans that worship Suarez No way will they get Cabaye. No shit, sherlock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest StellaExpress Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 On RAWK somebody says they want Cabaye as part of the deal. The response from one of them: "Don't want that horrible individual here." The fans that worship Suarez No way will they get Cabaye. No s***, sherlock. no need for that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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