Hanshithispantz Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Couple good transfer windows and people seem to think its ridiculous to be suspicious of these kinds of comments from the manager Have we forgotten everything that has happened in the past? Im not saying there's definitely something fishy about it but I think its fair enough to wonder the motivation behind this. Still think its down to Ashley's ego... People are speculating and reading into a few throw away quotes because it fits into their opinion that Carroll will not fit into the squad imo, they may be right on the latter part we'll have to see. As for Ashley's ego, he isn't going to spend £10m+ just for a laugh. Think about what yous are suggesting man, Mike Ashley, one of the countries top buisnessmen and a lover of money, is sanctioning a £13m bid for a player we don't want or need just to 'get one over' on Liverpool and satisfy his own ego? Well obviously he also thinks its a good deal to buy someone for 15m that he sold for 35m. He's a business man after all.... The fact he is a buisnessman is the very reason he won't think that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Couple good transfer windows and people seem to think its ridiculous to be suspicious of these kinds of comments from the manager Have we forgotten everything that has happened in the past? Im not saying there's definitely something fishy about it but I think its fair enough to wonder the motivation behind this. Still think its down to Ashley's ego... People are speculating and reading into a few throw away quotes because it fits into their opinion that Carroll will not fit into the squad imo, they may be right on the latter part we'll have to see. As for Ashley's ego, he isn't going to spend £10m+ just for a laugh. Think about what yous are suggesting man, Mike Ashley, one of the countries top buisnessmen and a lover of money, is sanctioning a £13m bid for a player we don't want or need just to 'get one over' on Liverpool and satisfy his own ego? Well obviously he also thinks its a good deal to buy someone for 15m that he sold for 35m. He's a business man after all.... The fact he is a buisnessman is the very fact he won't think that. Disagree. A business man would think that, someone with a good idea how to run a football club wouldnt. But maybe he has learnt his lessons and its exactly what Pardew wants. Guess the De Jong bid would lean towards that too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I just can't see this happening, maybe in January maybe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Is anyone actually insinuating that we are targeting Carroll because the owner wants him, and is going over the manager's head? Why is that so hilarious? We already to know that signings aren't made by Pardew alone, but more of a team between Carr, Pards and Derek. Exactly! Therefore I find it "hilarious" that people are now jumping to a conclusion whereby Pardew is being undermined. Nobody has even said that outright have they? They're just strangely uncertain quotes IMO, he's normally more assured than that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Couple good transfer windows and people seem to think its ridiculous to be suspicious of these kinds of comments from the manager Have we forgotten everything that has happened in the past? Im not saying there's definitely something fishy about it but I think its fair enough to wonder the motivation behind this. Still think its down to Ashley's ego... People are speculating and reading into a few throw away quotes because it fits into their opinion that Carroll will not fit into the squad imo, they may be right on the latter part we'll have to see. As for Ashley's ego, he isn't going to spend £10m+ just for a laugh. Think about what yous are suggesting man, Mike Ashley, one of the countries top buisnessmen and a lover of money, is sanctioning a £13m bid for a player we don't want or need just to 'get one over' on Liverpool and satisfy his own ego? Well obviously he also thinks its a good deal to buy someone for 15m that he sold for 35m. He's a business man after all.... The fact he is a buisnessman is the very fact he won't think that. Disagree. A business man would think that, someone with a good idea how to run a football club wouldnt. Exactly what would a businessman's motivations be for thinking like that? Unless he thinks he can make money on him or he will improve the squad he won't splash out on him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Is anyone actually insinuating that we are targeting Carroll because the owner wants him, and is going over the manager's head? Why is that so hilarious? We already to know that signings aren't made by Pardew alone, but more of a team between Carr, Pards and Derek. Exactly! Therefore I find it "hilarious" that people are now jumping to a conclusion whereby Pardew is being undermined. Nobody has even said that outright have they? They're just strangely uncertain quotes IMO, he's normally more assured than that. When theres a transfer in the pipeline, Pardew never shows his full hand to the media. This is just another one of those cases. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I seem to remember direct quotes from Pardew at some point during last season praising Carroll, and saying something along the lines of not being averse to keeping the door open for his possible return someday. May have just imagined it though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 This whole thing just fucking stinks tbh. Hope Liverpool demand £20m+ and we forget about the whole thing; doesn't even seem to me like the manager is completely up for the idea - i couldn't see why he would be anyway and i alluded to that the other day. He must've barely played under Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Can't wait to see this lad back in competitive matches for us. Absolute machine http://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/dynamic/01072/TH04_CISSE_1072380f.jpg What a shame, wrong thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Not that I am suggesting that we should spend £12 million on Carroll, but out of interest, which strikers do people realistically think we could get for £12 million that would be better than Carroll? Especially given that Carroll has a hint of 'proven record' in this country. Again, not suggesting there aren't any around, but would be interested to hear names. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimburst Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Couple good transfer windows and people seem to think its ridiculous to be suspicious of these kinds of comments from the manager Have we forgotten everything that has happened in the past? Im not saying there's definitely something fishy about it but I think its fair enough to wonder the motivation behind this. Still think its down to Ashley's ego... People are speculating and reading into a few throw away quotes because it fits into their opinion that Carroll will not fit into the squad imo, they may be right on the latter part we'll have to see. As for Ashley's ego, he isn't going to spend £10m+ just for a laugh. Think about what yous are suggesting man, Mike Ashley, one of the countries top buisnessmen and a lover of money, is sanctioning a £13m bid for a player we don't want or need just to 'get one over' on Liverpool and satisfy his own ego? Not quite true that mate, I've said a few times that I'm open-minded about it. I don't really want Carroll back just because I know we can do better. Nowt to do with the player himself, he's a fine, above average player with a distinct set of attibutes etc. But he's never ever ever going to take us to the next level. He's just not as good as Ben Arfa, Colo, Tiote, Cisse or Cabaye. I haven't got an agenda, just don't think those quotes make pretty reading. As soon as I read the quotes it seemed weird, that's all I'm saying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Couple good transfer windows and people seem to think its ridiculous to be suspicious of these kinds of comments from the manager Have we forgotten everything that has happened in the past? Im not saying there's definitely something fishy about it but I think its fair enough to wonder the motivation behind this. Still think its down to Ashley's ego... People are speculating and reading into a few throw away quotes because it fits into their opinion that Carroll will not fit into the squad imo, they may be right on the latter part we'll have to see. As for Ashley's ego, he isn't going to spend £10m+ just for a laugh. Think about what yous are suggesting man, Mike Ashley, one of the countries top buisnessmen and a lover of money, is sanctioning a £13m bid for a player we don't want or need just to 'get one over' on Liverpool and satisfy his own ego? Not quite true that mate, I've said a few times that I'm open-minded about it. I don't really want Carroll back just because I know we can do better. Nowt to do with the player himself, he's a fine, above average player with a distinct set of attibutes etc. But he's never ever ever going to take us to the next level. He's just not as good as Ben Arfa, Colo, Tiote, Cisse or Cabaye. I haven't got an ajenda, just don't think those quotes make pretty reading. As soon as I read the quotes it seemed weird, that's all I'm saying. I'm with you on this one, Jim. They're not typical quotes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Pardew in not being as thick as Rodgers shocker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timnufc22 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 "It’s simple, really. Sometimes transfers are done at corporate level." Why say that? What does that mean? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaehyun Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Honestly 15 mil for Carroll and it'll be the steal of the century. We've practically just stolen 20 mil off liverpool. Carroll still has a good 10 years of being atop premierleague striker back in him. He just has to re-establish himself on his path of growing and improving which Liverpool has stopped. He thought he was already the complete package and ready to move on, he wasn't. Needs to come back and start improving again and we'll get a good 10 years out of a top striker or at least be able to sell on for profit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggybread Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Unless I can't see them the specific questions he was asked for the article are not printed. The director/corporate quotes could easily be explained by being asked the question whether the talks are continuing at a loan or loan then permanent or just permanent transfer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Couple good transfer windows and people seem to think its ridiculous to be suspicious of these kinds of comments from the manager Have we forgotten everything that has happened in the past? Im not saying there's definitely something fishy about it but I think its fair enough to wonder the motivation behind this. Still think its down to Ashley's ego... People are speculating and reading into a few throw away quotes because it fits into their opinion that Carroll will not fit into the squad imo, they may be right on the latter part we'll have to see. As for Ashley's ego, he isn't going to spend £10m+ just for a laugh. Think about what yous are suggesting man, Mike Ashley, one of the countries top buisnessmen and a lover of money, is sanctioning a £13m bid for a player we don't want or need just to 'get one over' on Liverpool and satisfy his own ego? Not quite true that mate, I've said a few times that I'm open-minded about it. I don't really want Carroll back just because I know we can do better. Nowt to do with the player himself, he's a fine, above average player with a distinct set of attibutes etc. But he's never ever ever going to take us to the next level. He's just not as good as Ben Arfa, Colo, Tiote, Cisse or Cabaye. Although I do believe that's true, I would imagine that Carroll would be far more willing to sit on the bench than any other striker of his 'calibre'. As a 3rd choice striker he would be superb imo, and it gives us other options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Regardless of whether the deal is Mike's or Pardew's idea, I have no doubt that he won't be signed without Pard's okay. Can't see Ashley shelling out £10m+ on a player his successful manager doesn't want, even to make Liverpool look stupid. It's just not in line with Mike's frugality. Andy won't be coming unless Pardew wants him, just imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimburst Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I don't know if we'd ever be able to sell him for a profit at 15 million. He's clearly shown he's got issues with his confidence and can't face being away from home. I also doubt any club with more than 15 million to spend (the top 6) are ever going to want Andy Carroll anyway. Liverpool were fantastically stupid to spend that amount of cash on him, but they were desperate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimburst Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Regardless of whether the deal is Mike's or Pardew's idea, I have no doubt that he won't be signed without Pard's okay. Can't see Ashley shelling out £10m+ on a player his successful manager doesn't want, even to make Liverpool look stupid. It's just not in line with Mike's frugality. Andy won't be coming unless Pardew wants him, just imo. I agree with this. Wether Pardew is proper up for it, or has just given the green light is a different matter though. Pardew was hired as a Yes Man, don't forget. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Too much are being made of this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toondave Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I'd be more concerned if Pardew was thrashing out transfer deals tbh, he's not a business man - beyond saying yes I'd like him and no I don't want him he shouldn't be involved imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 "It’s simple, really. Sometimes transfers are done at corporate level." Why say that? What does that mean? the business people at the club would be dealing with it. nothing suspicious in that, is there?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 "It’s simple, really. Sometimes transfers are done at corporate level." Why say that? What does that mean? the business people at the club would be dealing with it. nothing suspicious in that, is there?? As opposed to what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 "It’s simple, really. Sometimes transfers are done at corporate level." Why say that? What does that mean? the business people at the club would be dealing with it. nothing suspicious in that, is there?? As opposed to what? Ya' wha'? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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