Guest firetotheworks Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Those texts are Carroll trying to scramble back any credit he has with the fans left. They are texts which his Agent probably told him to do to save face. He needs to say this in public before I'll believe it. You'll believe him if he says it out loud, but not in a text? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Those texts are Carroll trying to scramble back any credit he has with the fans left. They are texts which his Agent probably told him to do to save face. He needs to say this in public before I'll believe it. Give over man AC is not this clever to play the PR game, he was just replying to texts from Wraith who he does know well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 How come you're still showing a lot of skepticism about the texts and not showing a shred of doubt about the official line, when history should be suggesting the exact opposite behavior. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I hope the likes of needy and JH won't be as naive as a 5 year old the next time s*** like this happens at the club. Classic PR exercise and you just totally fell for it. (if those texts are real and they represent what actually transpired...) Still no explanation for the transfer request in those quotes? Hmm, wonder why... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Those texts are Carroll trying to scramble back any credit he has with the fans left. They are texts which his Agent probably told him to do to save face. He needs to say this in public before I'll believe it. You'll believe him if he says it out loud, but not in a text? Those texts, yeap I believe some texts which someone is SAYING they are from him. Also like I've said, these are texts which are easy to use to save his own face with the fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 JH still holding onto the official line as if his life depended on it Youre holding on to the titanic, man. It's sinking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Those texts are Carroll trying to scramble back any credit he has with the fans left. They are texts which his Agent probably told him to do to save face. He needs to say this in public before I'll believe it. Give over man AC is not this clever to play the PR game, he was just replying to texts from Wraith who he does know well. Nope, Carroll is a man that clearly is controlled by his agent as well. Again you all think the club is using a classic PR gag, well Carroll is with these texts. And still no explanation for the transfer request. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Just want to know, it's the 25% sell on clause + 35m cash, or a total value of 35m including both the clause and an unknown amount of cash? If it's the former one, jesus. Liverpool is really insane. I think it's £35m + 25% sell on clause Bloody hell. That's really close to Torres' valuation. No its not. If AC flops & he is dumped for £8million we get £2 million. If this 25% is off any profit made on the fee Liverpool paid he is going to be a legend & only Barca, Real Madrid & Man City will be able to afford him. Who is saying we have 25% sell on anyway? I would imagine most of the clauses are linked to goals & CL qualification. Even Bent got a valuation of 18m nowadays. I really doubt his next transfer would be less than 10m. Bent the PL current top goalscorer. His price seems fair atm. If it £20 million it is another £5 million which makes it £40 million. Still not near £50 million is it. Again what source are we going off this 25% sell on? Amazing if true if, as we had no clauses with the Milner or CNZ deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 JH still holding onto the official line as if his life depended on it Youre holding on to the titanic, man. It's sinking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning_Linguist Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 After being absolutely gutted yesterday I have woken up this morning with a clearer head (still abit gutted though). After seeing the 'Alleged' Texts, it really would not surprise me if they were true. I think that the whole transfer request thing is absolute bollocks, I think that Ashley (or whoever) wanted to accept the bid but given that the guy always seems to be walking on thin Ice when it comes to his decision making SOMEHOW managed to Persuade / (Dare i say Blackmail) AC into putting one in OR there is the fact that he did not put a transfer request in at all and the club announced that he had. The players have more than likely got some privacy clauses in their contracts which does not allow them to talk about the club without permission so the player would not be able to refute/Deny any claims that he had put a transfer request in making him to look like the dick instead of Cashley (who we all know deep down IS invoved in this malarkey). At theend of the day if Cashley was any sort of businessman he would have made sure that there was a buy-back clause included as part of the deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 JH still holding onto the official line as if his life depended on it Youre holding on to the titanic, man. It's sinking. Is that why 45% have blamed the player then in this thread? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 practically told to go they have kind of said we don\'t want u Hmmmmmmmmmmm not really decisive is it more realistically "you've agreed a fee, i'll go but i'm not putting in a transfer request" even he's not too thick to think of this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 JH still holding onto the official line as if his life depended on it Youre holding on to the titanic, man. It's sinking. wtf? I'm not holding onto the official line at all. I'm not absolving Ashley of all the blame, but the fact is Carroll handed in a transfer request (if that wasn't true, he would come out and say "I didn't hand in a transfer request"). He is yet to explain how anyone could force him to hand in a transfer request, and until he does all I can think is that he did it because he wanted to leave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Carroll did mention the transfer request. He said that he didn't hand one in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 and another thing, this 35million offer isn't ridiculous imo. Name another player that we could get for that price who is as prolific in the air, and is still young. I can't think of any, hence the price. It means f*** all to us anyway, you can't play 35m up front, and nor will it be spent heavily within the team. The money means f*** all to me, all I know is the home-grown local number 9, who our entire play is centred around has been sold to Liverpool and taken with him a large proportion of what is good about the whole team, and a large proportion of Barton and Nolan's play. Andy Carroll isnt the be all and end all man. Spurs finished in the top 4 last season and they didnt have an Andy Carroll. There are other players out there. Its a team game, not built round 1 player man. Whatever has gone on, £35 million is great business. He's what? 8th most expensive player of all time? Fucking hell, he's only had 6 months in this league, the deal cant be argued - its how much of its invested that will determine whether I go back or not. That's all well and good, but we've no guarantees that all of that money will be invested in the summer or, if it is, if the clowns in charge will invest it in the right areas. The fact that we were seemingly willing to spunk £10-12mil on insominia rather than find a striker suggests that it won't be going in the right areas. I live in hope that it'll be ploughed back into the squad but right now £35mil does not compensate for the fact that we're still a squad in dire need of depth and for the remainder of the season have to rely on Best, Shoal, Ranger and Loven. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugsy Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I can't understand how anyone could not believe that Ashley was the main driver of this deal? The man would sell his granny for a fiver! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The club could not lie about the whole transfer request as it could be easily sued against for defamation of character. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I hope the likes of needy and JH won't be as naive as a 5 year old the next time s*** like this happens at the club. Classic PR exercise and you just totally fell for it. (if those texts are real and they represent what actually transpired...) Still no explanation for the transfer request in those quotes? Hmm, wonder why... i can see where you're going with that, but ashley's got a track record of engineering things to his (and i do mean his and not nufc's) advantage. they admitted in court they'd mis-lead the fans. its all about context, and the spurs bids being denied by harry and the press (sunday supplement). the fact that it came so late we couldnt replace AND with a token bid that we've seen them attempt before, the fact that shearer's now said 'knowing him as i do, i'm not convinced he wanted to leave'. none of this has alarm bells ringing? even though ashley just sacked hughton and APPOINTED PARDEW? none of this seems weird to you? its really a case of oh 35 million is a lot of money for carroll? fucking hell man, i wish life was as simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpy Gunt Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 and another thing, this 35million offer isn't ridiculous imo. Name another player that we could get for that price who is as prolific in the air, and is still young. I can't think of any, hence the price. It means fuck all to us anyway, you can't play 35m up front, and nor will it be spent heavily within the team. The money means fuck all to me, all I know is the home-grown local number 9, who our entire play is centred around has been sold to Liverpool and taken with him a large proportion of what is good about the whole team, and a large proportion of Barton and Nolan's play. It might just have saved us from a decade of Wimbledon 'find the big man' style of football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The club could not lie about the whole transfer request as it could be easily sued against for defamation of character. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Carroll did mention the transfer request. He said that he didn't hand one in. CaulkinTheTimes George Caulkin Carroll was not agitating to leave. He wasn't unsettled. And, yes, the transfer request was a mechanism used by #Nufc. But ... he signed it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 45% is less than 57%, which is the percentage of people who voted last night who blamed Carroll. The tide is turning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 and another thing, this 35million offer isn't ridiculous imo. Name another player that we could get for that price who is as prolific in the air, and is still young. I can't think of any, hence the price. It means f*** all to us anyway, you can't play 35m up front, and nor will it be spent heavily within the team. The money means f*** all to me, all I know is the home-grown local number 9, who our entire play is centred around has been sold to Liverpool and taken with him a large proportion of what is good about the whole team, and a large proportion of Barton and Nolan's play. It might just have saved us from a decade of Wimbledon 'find the big man' style of football. Evidence of it working, in a non-Wimbledon way would suggest otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 neesy's refusal to acknowledge the very high probability that ashley had planned it all is astounding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Sorry, whether he was forced to leave or not, he was the one that put the fucking pen to the paper. Carroll has lied to all of us, he has lied to those who questioned that he really battered his ex, and all those rumour in the media. We were the ones betrayed here, not him. Maybe Ashley played a part in accepting the bid. But any Chairman would for a player who in 12 months has gone from being worth arond £4million to £35million. It's a ridiculous fee, I mean we got a much more talented (not saying more important player than Carroll) in Ben Arfa, for 7 times cheaper. We can only look forward, we have proven that although it takes time we can produce local talents. What we need to do from now on though, is teach our players about ethics. I feel heartbroken to see Carroll and Dalglish smiling, but that's how life is. I sincerely think that with that kind of money we will become much better in the long-term. For £35 million you could probably buy 5-6 of the World biggest talents and try to build a team for the future. While they're here, you make sure you put both them and their agents into a fucking classroom to learn ethics. There are so many players who are worth less than Carroll but are more talented. And while it might be a big risk on them adapting, or even wanting to come here. Who says Carroll would perform in two years? There are so many aspects that hurts in this deal but only time will tell whether we were wrong or right for him to go. I believe in the latter, as I believe in this club even though it's been a joke. All we can do now is to keep on fighting for Europe and finish above Liverpool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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