leffe186 Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 I hope that he does well and is a success. Just as I hoped that Shearer did well before he joined us, and that Gazza did well at Lazio and Waddle at Marseille and that Clarke is a success at Huddersfield as a manager etc. They are all Geordies and they deserve our support whether they play for us or not. Under different and better circumstances they would have happily played their entire careers at NUFC. There are some very petty people on here. Did you hope that Waddle and Gazza did well at Spurs? Genuine question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Chelsea-Fernando-Torres-50m-man-is-king-of-shirt-sales-outselling-his-Liverpool-replacement-Andy-Carroll-by-250-jerseys-to-one-article689695.html Chelsea's record £50million signing Fernando Torres is already king of the shirt sales – outselling his Liverpool replacement Andy Carroll by 250 jerseys to one. Demand for Chelsea's new Torres home shirts are currently 40% higher than when he arrived at Anfield three years ago, according to suppliers. Shirt sales for the Kop’s other new striker, Luis Suarez, are 380% more popular than Carroll replicas, but are still trailing behind Chelsea’s Spanish signing by 30 to one. Ray Evans, managing director of Kitbag.com, said: “It will be interesting to see whether Torres can maintain his popularity among Chelsea fans and whether Carroll can break into the hearts of the Liverpool fans.” Read more: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Chelsea-Fernando-Torres-50m-man-is-king-of-shirt-sales-outselling-his-Liverpool-replacement-Andy-Carroll-by-250-jerseys-to-one-article689695.html#ixzz1CwsQ41IJ Sign up for MirrorFootball's Morning Spy newsletter Register here unbelievably petty but i enjoy that fact Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheSummerOf69 Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 If a club like Newcastle United cannot hold onto its own home-grown talent regardless of the circumstances then there is really no hope for the future just as there was none during the days when the club sold the likes of Waddle, Beardsley and Gazza - as history proved. Your future after selling Waddle and Gazza was pretty good though, wasn't it? For a while at least. If you call relegation OK...we went down the season after selling Gazza..!! We did OK after Waddle simply because we still had Beardsley and Gazza. No, my point is that HTT said there was no hope for the future. A handful of years after Gazza left, you had your best team in my lifetime and nearly won the league. Waddle left for better times and we had Jack Charlton in charge who didn't really rate his type of player. Beardsley left in similiar circumstances to Carroll, he probably would have stayed if we'd given him a half-decent contract. Gazza we did try to keep hold of with a decent contract offer but he was away for the bright lights. We got a decent fee for the time and for once we re-invested the money, bringing 4 players in. We were immediately relegated from the top flight. A few years later we nearly got relegated to the 3rd division (where we've never been, unlike Sunderland) and possible bankruptcy, only staying up at the last gasp after bringing Keegan in. Then we took off under Keegan who - in the space of one brief Summer - turned our worst ever team into one that won the first 11 games of the Season (on a shoestring budget, which is often overlooked - the money didn't come from John Hall 'til after we really needed it), got promoted, finished 3rd in the Premier League, then nearly won the thing. Selling players nearly put the club out of business. There's no way that our later success is in any way linked to selling Waddle, Beardsley and especially Gazza. We later sold Andy Cole under Keegan, who came to reassure fans outside the stadium that we could trust him. We had loads of talent at the club and then went and bought Ferdinand, Shearer and Asprilla, so that one's different. Under Ashley, Keegan left his 2nd spell as manager because the club sold Milner against his wishes. He was persuaded to front it on the promise of the money being reinvested in players he wanted (and that 12m was supposedly over the odds, according to Dennis Wise - Milner then went for more than double that a year and a half later of course) but then had a couple of numpty players imposed on him and the window closed without any of the players he'd asked for, so his promise this time that we weren't a selling club and that we could trust him was severely undermined. And then we were relegated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 This "Judas cunt" stuff is so fucking immature. Such an idiotic outlook. This from Twitter last night btw: Raphael Honigstein on Twitter: btw. I'm told Mike Ashley brazenly upped Carroll prize by £10m on Monday. Liverpool thought they had understanding for £25m another source just confirmed Carroll price-hike story, with one small clarification: initial price agreed on Friday was £22m Mark Douglas (Sunday Sun and Journal sportswriter) in response: @honigstein Certainly not what the club are saying. #nufc sources say Sun night was the 1st time they contemplated selling @MsiDouglas well, someone's lying then... @honigstein I'm honestly not knocking your sources. My head was spinning on Mon: so many claims & counter claims... @MsiDouglas I didn't take it that way, no worries @honigstein I was told as soon as anyone went to 30m, all bets were off. If they were selling at 22m... Wow @MsiDouglas there's more to it. DM me Then you've got a load of people saying "Put it on a public forum, the fans deserve to know", but there's nowt on either of their timelines other than this from Douglas: @honigstein Everyones got an agenda! But yeh,#nufc interests best served by saying they wouldn't sell. Your info v.interesting Honigstein has never struck me as the type to make stuff up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 We always knew he was a red carroll carroll Hes got a dirty greasy head carroll carroll He punches birds, they burn his house But we dont care, thats fucking scouse Andy Caroll Liverpools Number 9!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 This "Judas cunt" stuff is so fucking immature. Such an idiotic outlook. This from Twitter last night btw: Raphael Honigstein on Twitter: btw. I'm told Mike Ashley brazenly upped Carroll prize by £10m on Monday. Liverpool thought they had understanding for £25m another source just confirmed Carroll price-hike story, with one small clarification: initial price agreed on Friday was £22m Mark Douglas (Sunday Sun and Journal sportswriter) in response: @honigstein Certainly not what the club are saying. #nufc sources say Sun night was the 1st time they contemplated selling @MsiDouglas well, someone's lying then... @honigstein I'm honestly not knocking your sources. My head was spinning on Mon: so many claims & counter claims... @MsiDouglas I didn't take it that way, no worries @honigstein I was told as soon as anyone went to 30m, all bets were off. If they were selling at 22m... Wow @MsiDouglas there's more to it. DM me Then you've got a load of people saying "Put it on a public forum, the fans deserve to know", but there's nowt on either of their timelines other than this from Douglas: @honigstein Everyones got an agenda! But yeh,#nufc interests best served by saying they wouldn't sell. Your info v.interesting Honigstein has never struck me as the type to make stuff up. I do think they should make whatever they're DM each other public, tbh What was interesting also was what Honigstein said beforehand which ignited that exchange of tweets between them: honigstein raphael honigstein another source just confirmed Carroll price-hike story, with one small clarification: initial price agreed on Friday was £22m If they were at this from Friday, then there's really no excuse whatsoever for not bringing in replacements at all, other than it being yet another shafting by Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 This "Judas cunt" stuff is so fucking immature. Such an idiotic outlook. This from Twitter last night btw: Raphael Honigstein on Twitter: btw. I'm told Mike Ashley brazenly upped Carroll prize by £10m on Monday. Liverpool thought they had understanding for £25m another source just confirmed Carroll price-hike story, with one small clarification: initial price agreed on Friday was £22m Mark Douglas (Sunday Sun and Journal sportswriter) in response: @honigstein Certainly not what the club are saying. #nufc sources say Sun night was the 1st time they contemplated selling @MsiDouglas well, someone's lying then... @honigstein I'm honestly not knocking your sources. My head was spinning on Mon: so many claims & counter claims... @MsiDouglas I didn't take it that way, no worries @honigstein I was told as soon as anyone went to 30m, all bets were off. If they were selling at 22m... Wow @MsiDouglas there's more to it. DM me Then you've got a load of people saying "Put it on a public forum, the fans deserve to know", but there's nowt on either of their timelines other than this from Douglas: @honigstein Everyones got an agenda! But yeh,#nufc interests best served by saying they wouldn't sell. Your info v.interesting Honigstein has never struck me as the type to make stuff up. He's never struck me as being a particularly good journalist, though. Had an argument with him on the Guardian blog once. Nothing to do with this story, but it was about an issue of fact, which he'd got wrong, and when I'd pointed it out, kept twisting and making excuses, Wanker, tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Chelsea-Fernando-Torres-50m-man-is-king-of-shirt-sales-outselling-his-Liverpool-replacement-Andy-Carroll-by-250-jerseys-to-one-article689695.html Chelsea's record £50million signing Fernando Torres is already king of the shirt sales – outselling his Liverpool replacement Andy Carroll by 250 jerseys to one. Demand for Chelsea's new Torres home shirts are currently 40% higher than when he arrived at Anfield three years ago, according to suppliers. Shirt sales for the Kop’s other new striker, Luis Suarez, are 380% more popular than Carroll replicas, but are still trailing behind Chelsea’s Spanish signing by 30 to one. Ray Evans, managing director of Kitbag.com, said: “It will be interesting to see whether Torres can maintain his popularity among Chelsea fans and whether Carroll can break into the hearts of the Liverpool fans.” Read more: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Chelsea-Fernando-Torres-50m-man-is-king-of-shirt-sales-outselling-his-Liverpool-replacement-Andy-Carroll-by-250-jerseys-to-one-article689695.html#ixzz1CwsQ41IJ Sign up for MirrorFootball's Morning Spy newsletter Register here unbelievably petty but i enjoy that fact Not surprised that people in west london can afford more shirts than people in Liverpool TBH. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Has anyone noticed what a smug cunt Dalgiesh appears lately? Can't stand the bloke. According to John Henry we'll be seeing more of him after this season too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkhead Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Has anyone noticed what a smug c*** Dalgiesh appears lately? Can't stand the bloke. Can't stand the fucker.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Has anyone noticed what a smug cunt Dalgiesh appears lately? Can't stand the bloke. According to John Henry we'll be seeing more of him after this season too. I hope that he does well and is a success. Just as I hoped that Shearer did well before he joined us, and that Gazza did well at Lazio and Waddle at Marseille and that Clarke is a success at Huddersfield as a manager etc. They are all Geordies and they deserve our support whether they play for us or not. Under different and better circumstances they would have happily played their entire careers at NUFC. There are some very petty people on here. I'd far rather support non-geordies who pull on our shirt and represent our club to be honest. If that's being petty then I'm happy to be called petty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Has anyone noticed what a smug cunt Dalgiesh appears lately? Can't stand the bloke. According to John Henry we'll be seeing more of him after this season too. Good. After watching him fail to get anything out of a strong Newcastle squad I have high hopes he will take Liverpool backwards and the money they have spent will become a debt they can't service. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 If a club like Newcastle United cannot hold onto its own home-grown talent regardless of the circumstances then there is really no hope for the future just as there was none during the days when the club sold the likes of Waddle, Beardsley and Gazza - as history proved. Your future after selling Waddle and Gazza was pretty good though, wasn't it? For a while at least. If you call relegation OK...we went down the season after selling Gazza..!! We did OK after Waddle simply because we still had Beardsley and Gazza. No, my point is that HTT said there was no hope for the future. A handful of years after Gazza left, you had your best team in my lifetime and nearly won the league. There may be pain in the short-term, but there is hope when you are a club with a high turnover.....as long as UEFA manage to knock out the Citys and Chelseas. It was 5 years after Gazza left that KK got us promoted - it was another 2/3 years after that before we realistically challenged for the PL title...do you think that is a short space of time ? 8 years is only 2 short of the average Pl player's effective career span . In that time, clubs like Man U had won titles and other trophies...also in today's world, you need to be in the CL every year to get the big bucks in otherwise the other clubs that do just get wealthier and the gap bigger. I don't think you are being realistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Has anyone noticed what a smug cunt Dalgiesh appears lately? Can't stand the bloke. According to John Henry we'll be seeing more of him after this season too. Good. After watching him fail to get anything out of a strong Newcastle squad I have high hopes he will take Liverpool backwards and the money they have spent will become a debt they can't service. That would be just grand. I wonder how the media would react to the 'scouse messiah' falling flat on his face? Would absolutely love it to go tits up for them but with their money I can just see them spending their way to Europe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Has anyone noticed what a smug c*** Dalgiesh appears lately? Can't stand the bloke. According to John Henry we'll be seeing more of him after this season too. Good. After watching him fail to get anything out of a strong Newcastle squad I have high hopes he will take Liverpool backwards and the money they have spent will become a debt they can't service. Were you not watching in 1997 when he took us to second place after we were 6th when he took over ? Do you not take into account the restrictions placed on him after that because we had become a PLC ? And the fact that he lost Shearer for months in 97/98 ? Do you seriously think all his signings were c---p? Are you aware that the players actually liked him as a manager ? We will have to let time prove whether he is a decent manager or not.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Has anyone noticed what a smug c*** Dalgiesh appears lately? Can't stand the bloke. According to John Henry we'll be seeing more of him after this season too. Good. After watching him fail to get anything out of a strong Newcastle squad I have high hopes he will take Liverpool backwards and the money they have spent will become a debt they can't service. Were you not watching in 1997 when he took us to second place after we were 6th when he took over ? Do you not take into account the restrictions placed on him after that because we had become a PLC ? And the fact that he lost Shearer for months in 97/98 ? Do you seriously think all his signings were c---p? Are you aware that the players actually liked him as a manager ? We will have to let time prove whether he is a decent manager or not.... He took us to 2nd place with Keegan's team. Once he started replacing the flair players with workhorses and picking sides with no width his results speak for themself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Keegan's team that Keegan had down in 6th though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheSummerOf69 Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Dalglish sold Lee Clarke and used the £2m to buy Des Hamilton. He sold Les Ferdinand. He took apart a free-flowing attacking team and replaced it with one that only ever won by 1 goal, like the Blackburn team he won the league with but without the regularity of their wins. We played Stevenage in the cup and whinged on about not wanting to go to their ground, drew and then came back to our place for another single goal win. (Mind you, worse could have happened at Stevenage as Pardew's team demonstrated). He brought Given to the club, but I'm struggling to think of another of his signings that was as good as what we had here when he took over. Him and Souness took apart what Keegan had built up just like they took apart Liverpool's all-conquering legacy - despite what they're saying now he's back, many Scousers back then blamed Dalglish as much as Souness, for not having the next generation in by the time his team were getting past it meaning Souness had to buy wholesale - something which only ever worked for him in the Scottish League where he only had one other team to be better than. Looking at some of their buys for the Toon left me wondering if we could trust them not to be looking after their own interests rather than the teams. Keegan, Bobby, Roeder, Hughton, even Gullit, I trusted to be trying to look after only the club's interest (to varying degrees of success). Those two and Allardyce - hmmm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Hamann. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheSummerOf69 Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Hamann. Better than Batty and Lee? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Hamann. Better than Batty and Lee? Thought he was better than Batty. Also bought Speed and Solano. It wasn't all bad mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Hamann. Better than Batty and Lee? Thought he was better than Batty. Also bought Solano. It wasn't all bad mate. And Given and Speed. Dalglish made some very good signings (and some god awful ones). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Hamann. Better than Batty and Lee? All three were good players but Dalglish tried to play them all in the same midfield along with Gary Speed. Your earlier post is spot on about how Dalglish dismantled Keegan's free flowing football and replaced with defensive, dour crap. He didn't buy particularly bad players just didn't have the balls to play in a skilful attacking style. Hopefully his fearful negative attitude will see Liverpool plunge in a downward spiral once the feelgood factor wears off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheSummerOf69 Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Also bought Speed and Solano. It wasn't all bad mate. Fair do's. Loads of sub-standard players too, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Also bought Speed and Solano. It wasn't all bad mate. Fair do's. Loads of sub-standard players too, though. Absolutely. Don't know how much his hands were tied but he definitely bought some proper spanners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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