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question: how in gods name can they think their position has not been dramatically weakened by so publicly trying to offload him? Do these people have any common sense?

 

TBF, the owners are American.  We think differently about how sports franchises are to be run.  I can't see any American owner of a Prem Team having long term success.  Yes even Man U. 

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Don't we have a 25% sell on fee? So £20mil would become £15mil?

 

 

 

I'm sure it would be written into the contract that we couldn't benefit from the clause in that way

 

Thought we had first option on him too.. might have made that up though.

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Don't we have a 25% sell on fee? So £20mil would become £15mil?

 

 

 

I'm sure it would be written into the contract that we couldn't benefit from the clause in that way

 

Think it's 25% of any profit they make. So if they got £45m we would get £2.5m. If they got £35m or less we would get fuck all :pow:

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That would be wrong of them tbh, if you look past the fact that we absolutely shanked them in the first place anyway.

 

If they are selling him back to us then they shouldn't be looking for more than they would West Ham and co, and us having to fork out enough to cover the 25% would mean just that.

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25% of any sale, that includes back to us.

 

Yeah, but knowing that they'd just ask for 25% more than they'd want, surely.

 

The most they'll get out of us is £15m - 25% (£11.25m) i think that is the fee the board have in mind and won't budge on it. WHAM or whoever can offer more £20m say, but Carroll knowing we are in for him won't move elsewhere.

 

If Liverpool want £20m for Carroll and they get it elsewhere we receive £5m anyway, but I cannot see any team paying that, most £15m, and that's were we come in with our 25% off voucher, we may even top it up to £12m just so were doing them a slight favour.

 

At the moment in time the only club they can realistically sell him to is us, they can drag their heels but its their mess, they made him unhappy, they don't want the loan and we all know since the moment he left he wished for his return home.

 

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I trust our scouting team to be able to pull out someone better on a lot less wages for that sort of money.

 

Personally I don't think Carroll would change our play or have any negative effect on how we set up, him in the centre of a 4-3-3 (Cisse injured/rested not replaced, obviously) would work quite well imo without having to resort to long ball. He is decent on the ground and if we are pinging balls about he would be good at holding up and allowing the other 2 attackers to get forward and cause havoc.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/newcastle-to-up-ante-for-carroll-amid-west-ham-competition-7946795.html

Newcastle will return with an improved package in the hope of signing Andy Carroll from Liverpool on a season-long loan deal. Liverpool flatly refused the initial offer of how big a percentage of the player's £75,000-a-week salary Newcastle would agree to pay for the forthcoming season.

 

It is believed their opening bid was to pay less than half of the salary of a player they sold to the same club 18 months ago for £35m. However, Newcastle are determined to re-sign the 23-year-old England striker, who has told friends he is open to the idea of a return to St James' Park, despite being unhappy at Liverpool's determination to off-load him.

 

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Alan Shearer: Andy Carroll will be a big hit if Newcastle sign him‎ The Sun

 

Go home for good

Shearer: Andy will be a smash hit if he returns to his beloved Toon

 

ALAN SHEARER believes Andy Carroll would be a smash hit if he moved back to Newcastle.

 

 

Shearer, a Toon legend in the No 9 shirt, was also briefly Carroll’s manager at St James’ Park.

 

And the former England skipper, 41, insists there would be no shame in Carroll donning the famous black and white shirt again.

 

Carroll was sold to Liverpool by Newcastle for £35million 18 months ago but new Reds boss Brendan Rodgers does not see the Three Lions forward as part of his future plans at Anfield.

 

The 23-year-old, though, proved at the Euro 2012 finals that he still has the ability to scare the life out of defenders with his stunning header in the 3-2 Group D victory over Sweden.

 

Newcastle have tried to get Carroll on a loan deal with a view to a permanent move.

 

But that was rejected as “derisory” with Toon owner Mike Ashley wanting the Reds to pay half the player’s wages.

 

Shearer, though, thinks returning to Tyneside might be Carroll’s best option to get his career firing on all cylinders again.

 

Shearer said: “How many clubs are there where Andy can realistically go?

 

“With respect to the lower half of the Premier League, he is a better player than that.

 

“Andy is an England centre-forward and I wouldn’t say he has been a flop at Liverpool by any means.

 

“Yes, it took him a bit of time to settle there but he finished the season strongly and considering he only started one game at the Euros, I thought he did well.

 

“Make no mistake, he is a very good footballer.

 

“I can fully understand why Newcastle are in for him and I think it would be a great move.

 

“When he was there before he benefited from the fact that the team was always working to get him the ball — and he thrived on that.

 

“That hasn’t always been the case at Liverpool and perhaps at times he suffered.

 

“But don’t think you just have to play long-ball if Andy’s in the team.

 

“He doesn’t have to have everything arrowed towards his head. He can play and he is comfortable with the ball at his feet.

 

“There is an old saying that you should never go back but, in Andy’s case, I don’t think it would be a mistake at all.

 

“He was hero-worshipped by the crowd first time around and they would warm to him again.

 

“Andy loved playing there and whatever the fans felt about him leaving to join Liverpool, I’m sure he would win them over quickly.”

 

Shearer realises that it will be difficult for Carroll to accept his Liverpool career is over, even if former Swansea chief Rodgers spells it out to him.

 

He added: “It hurts any player when you realise a club doesn’t want you anymore but that’s football and you have to get on with it.

 

“When Ruud Gullit was manager at Newcastle I realised I would have to leave if he didn’t.

 

“As it turned out he got sacked and, luckily, I was able to stay. But I was under no illusions about what the outcome would be if he had kept his job.

 

“Andy will realise that you can’t fight it if the manager has plans that don’t include you. It is better to go and start again.

 

“Brendan Rodgers wants to build his own team and he is entitled to do that.

 

“Andy wasn’t his signing and it’s the manager’s call whether he wants to incorporate him into his own system or not.

 

“The difficulty for Andy is that Liverpool is a top, top club and it will be hard for him to go.

 

“Whatever the problems the club has had, it is still one of the big names in world football with great history and tradition.

 

“Apart from the likes of Manchester United and now possibly Manchester City, there aren’t many bigger in England.”

 

There has been some interest in Gateshead-born Carroll from abroad in the shape of AC Milan, who were looking at a possible loan move themselves.

 

But Shearer does not believe a switch to a foreign land would suit the big striker.

 

He said: “I think Andy would be better off staying here.

 

“For me, his game is ideally suited to the Premier League.”

 

Spain’s triumph at the Euros has prompted a debate about whether the old-fashioned striker has had his day because they won without using a recognised frontman.

 

Shearer, though, is not having it that the out-and-out goalscorer is about to go the way of the Dodo.

 

He added: “Spain are unique, they played in a way we’ve not really seen before.

 

“But that isn’t a style for everybody and they had plenty of strikers on the bench who they were prepared to bring on.

 

“Strikers are still a valuable commodity and Andy is one of the best. I’m a big fan and always have been.

 

“I think he is going to end up leaving but I’m sure he will be better and stronger for the experiences he’s had. He’s still a young lad with a great future ahead of him.”

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