Thespence Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Very disappointing. Not the end of the world though, great shot stopper but average in all other departments. Hope if he goes we look to get someone who scream at the defence and come out for crosses occasionally. Well the guy we've probably got lined up plays in a league with minimal crossing, and he's got the handling of a fish. Why do you think we are after this Argie? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 My position is clear. If you want to take it to PM, I'll happily do so. part of Givens quote ‘When he signed a new five-year contract in 2006 it was on the basis that the club would challenge for major honours, but on the present evidence all that he can see ahead with the turmoil on and off the pitch is a battle for survival." Pm me about it if you like, but I can't see the point. This, in my opinion, is what this is all about, however you and one or two others might wish to deny it. And you must have missed 90% of this thread strongly criticising Ashley's regime for this. It should be like a wet dream for you, but instead you just prattle on about Freddy fucking Shepherd. The two are mutually exclusive. Do you even know what that phrase means? In fact don't reply, look it up. no, I haven't missed 90% of the thread. I noticed mick though, so commented to him in reply. Whats wrong with encouraging him to reply and avoid such prolonged further postings ? You have noticed that he can't bring himself to admit what I say is true, I take it ? By the way, getting relegated and witnessing the club being run like it used to be for decades is far from a wet dream, it isn't me who wanted the old regime out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Very disappointing. Not the end of the world though, great shot stopper but average in all other departments. Hope if he goes we look to get someone who scream at the defence and come out for crosses occasionally. I always find that amusing when people say that about keepers, it makes it sound like some keepers get picked regardless of poor shot stopping but world class goalkeeper kicks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Steven Taylor? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Very disappointing. Not the end of the world though, great shot stopper but average in all other departments. Hope if he goes we look to get someone who scream at the defence and come out for crosses occasionally. Well the guy we've probably got lined up plays in a league with minimal crossing, and he's got the handling of a fish. Why do you think we are after this Argie? Because in the summer his club signed a replacement, saying that he was off to Newcastle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Very disappointing. Not the end of the world though,great shot stopper but average in all other departments. Hope if he goes we look to get someone who scream at the defence and come out for crosses occasionally. I always find that amusing when people say that about keepers, it makes it sound like some keepers get picked regardless of poor shot stopping but world class goalkeeper kicks. There's so much wrong with the wording of my post Basically I'm saying I hope we go for more of an all rounder who can come out and take the pressure off the defence, as that is one thing Shay struggles at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 his distribution always boiled my piss, and its massively improved this year, which is a cunt. we are well covered in that area, and although shay leaving spells out the issues of the club massively, it doesnt mean we are doomed to relegation. i find it funny when people say it would have been 10 against liverpool at the weekend without him, as if we wouldnt have had anyone else in goal. if we get £15m for him, which i would expect from city, then it is very good business for a 33 year old keeper who seemingly doesnt want to ne here anymore. as previously mentioned, haprer becomes a top priority now. all the best shay, you've been fucking class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Very disappointing. Not the end of the world though,great shot stopper but average in all other departments. Hope if he goes we look to get someone who scream at the defence and come out for crosses occasionally. I always find that amusing when people say that about keepers, it makes it sound like some keepers get picked regardless of poor shot stopping but world class goalkeeper kicks. There's so much wrong with the wording of my post Basically I'm saying I hope we go for more of an all rounder who can come out and take the pressure off the defence, as that is one thing Shay struggles at. If we have GK who stops the ball going over the line all the rest can be worked around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Harper has played over 100 competitive games for us, usually filling in for Given. He usually comes in cold and goes out of the team as soon as Given has come back so you would expect him to have a shit goals against per game ratio. In reality he hasn’t he’s got a better ratio and he’s been in against the top teams in the league and Europe so it’s not because he’s faced shite all of the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Very disappointing. Not the end of the world though,great shot stopper but average in all other departments. Hope if he goes we look to get someone who scream at the defence and come out for crosses occasionally. I always find that amusing when people say that about keepers, it makes it sound like some keepers get picked regardless of poor shot stopping but world class goalkeeper kicks. There's so much wrong with the wording of my post Basically I'm saying I hope we go for more of an all rounder who can come out and take the pressure off the defence, as that is one thing Shay struggles at. If we have GK who stops the ball going over the line all the rest can be worked around. Away with your pretentious attitude Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Banaloona Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 1st things first, I dont want to see Shay Given leave Newcastle United. But if he does as it looks like he is going to, leaving wont be as bad imo as when, Gascoigne, Waddle, Beardsley et al left the club back in the day. Back then we no pulling power whatsoever in order to attract good players, the stadium was a mess, the board an even bigger mess than it is today and therefore it was harder for the club to attract the right kind of player. Today even though the club is in a mess both on and off the field we still have more of an attraction than back in the 80's. In the short term we dont need to replace Given as we have Harper and to a lesser extent promising players in Krul and Forster but when we do we will (hopefully) be in a better position to attract the right kind of replacement. As much as I dislike Ashley, I think his blueprint for the club is perfect on paper. All he needs to do now is get the right people in to put that plan into practice. He needs to get Mort back and for Mort to employ the right people to take this club forward. We dont need to spend millions on superstars we need to invest in players who can grow as the club grows. Like Sir Bobby did to a certain extent with some of his purchases. Get the millions for Shay and invest that in other areas of the team...... Shay Given has been a great servant for this club but he aint going to keep us in this league if he stays, investing the money from his transfer will go a long way to deciding our future, if invested wisely we will stay up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Harper has played over 100 competitive games for us, usually filling in for Given. He usually comes in cold and goes out of the team as soon as Given has come back so you would expect him to have a shit goals against per game ratio. In reality he hasn’t he’s got a better ratio and he’s been in against the top teams in the league and Europe so it’s not because he’s faced shite all of the time. And yet every manager we've had have played Given before Harper almost every time. I know loads have picked Nicky Butt too like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Oh, and Krul said the other week that he wants a first-team place, so those thinking he'll make a nice back up to Harper may have to think again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Harper has played over 100 competitive games for us, usually filling in for Given. He usually comes in cold and goes out of the team as soon as Given has come back so you would expect him to have a s*** goals against per game ratio. In reality he hasn’t he’s got a better ratio and he’s been in against the top teams in the league and Europe so it’s not because he’s faced s**** all of the time. And yet every manager we've had have played Given before Harper almost every time. I know loads have picked Nicky Butt too like. The one time Bobby stuck with Stevie, Shay went and whacked in a transfer request. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 And yet every manager we've had have played Given before Harper almost every time. I know loads have picked Nicky Butt too like. Given pulls off the better looking saves because of his reactions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I don't blame him - I'm amazed he's stayed and for all you idiots who criticise him - he's the best keeper we've had in my 50 years and probably the best keeper we've ever had - just wait.................. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I don't blame him - I'm amazed he's stayed and for all you idiots who criticise him - he's the best keeper we've had in my 50 years and probably the best keeper we've ever had - just wait.................. The only criticism he's had is the way he's gone about this, I don’t think anybody has criticised him for his game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 My position is clear. If you want to take it to PM, I'll happily do so. part of Givens quote ‘When he signed a new five-year contract in 2006 it was on the basis that the club would challenge for major honours, but on the present evidence all that he can see ahead with the turmoil on and off the pitch is a battle for survival." Pm me about it if you like, but I can't see the point. This, in my opinion, is what this is all about, however you and one or two others might wish to deny it. we haven't challenged for major honours since robsons team finished 3rd, been downhill ever since. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliemort Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 The only gd thing abt Shay leaving is we may get some players in exchange.Kolo Toure handed in a transfer request but dont think hes the kinda centre back we need,hes not good and strong enough in the air.Who would ye guys be interested in getting from the teams interested? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 The only gd thing abt Shay leaving is we may get some players in exchange.Kolo Toure handed in a transfer request but dont think hes the kinda centre back we need,hes not good and strong enough in the air.Who would ye guys be interested in getting from the teams interested? We've got no chance of getting someone like Kolo Toure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 My position is clear. If you want to take it to PM, I'll happily do so. part of Givens quote ‘When he signed a new five-year contract in 2006 it was on the basis that the club would challenge for major honours, but on the present evidence all that he can see ahead with the turmoil on and off the pitch is a battle for survival." Pm me about it if you like, but I can't see the point. This, in my opinion, is what this is all about, however you and one or two others might wish to deny it. we haven't challenged for major honours since robsons team finished 3rd, been downhill ever since. 3rd. Under the embarrassing old regime ? You don't say. How can that be possible. Back on topic, interesting to see the expected people now glossing over this and building up Harper. Probably said the same thing about Ian Bogie replacing Gazza. How marvellous to see the club with the 3rd biggest support in the country resort to losing its best players again. On the other hand, as mick predictably doesn't reply, I'm only 99.9% sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 You need psychological help, I'm 100% sure about that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Libertine Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 My position is clear. If you want to take it to PM, I'll happily do so. part of Givens quote ‘When he signed a new five-year contract in 2006 it was on the basis that the club would challenge for major honours, but on the present evidence all that he can see ahead with the turmoil on and off the pitch is a battle for survival." Pm me about it if you like, but I can't see the point. This, in my opinion, is what this is all about, however you and one or two others might wish to deny it. we haven't challenged for major honours since robsons team finished 3rd, been downhill ever since. 3rd. Under the embarrassing old regime ? You don't say. How can that be possible. Back on topic, interesting to see the expected people now glossing over this and building up Harper. Probably said the same thing about Ian Bogie replacing Gazza. How marvellous to see the club with the 3rd biggest support in the country resort to losing its best players again. On the other hand, as mick predictably doesn't reply, I'm only 99.9% sure. true. i wouldnt have picked him. ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Not worried about losing Given but i am worried about what it represents. The guys uprooting after so many years at the club. That's Given, Owen, how many other senior players will we lose? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 That's Given, Owen, how many other senior players will we lose? Possibly the Zog as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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