Guest thenorthumbrian Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I saw this on another forum and thought some of the Ashley/Wise/Llambias fanboys on here might want to comment on these statements. "The calibre of player we want to bring in is someone with a lot of Premiership experience or Champions League experience and they are in short supply. We are at a stage where we don't want to just bring players in to add to the squad, we want players who are going to be in the first team." Chris Mort 02/08/2007 "NEWCASTLE United have completed the signing of midfielder Danny Guthrie from Liverpool. The 21-year-old put pen to paper on a four-year contract at St. James' Park on Friday evening after the Magpies agreed a fee with the Reds." NUFC 11/07/2008 "NEWCASTLE United have agreed a fee with FC Metz for France under-21 defender Sebastien Bassong." NUFC 30/07/2008 "NEWCASTLE United have completed the signing of Spain under-21 striker Francisco "Xisco" Jimenez Tejada." NUFC 01/09/2008 "The truth is that Newcastle could not sustain buying the Shevchenko's, Robinho's or the Berbatov's. These are recognised European footballers. They have played in the European leagues and everyone knows about them. They can be brilliant signings. But everybody knows that they are brilliant and so they, and players like them, cost more than £30 million to buy before you even take into account agent commissions and the multi-million pound wage deals. My plan and my strategy for Newcastle is different. It has to be. It takes time. It can't be done overnight. Newcastle has therefore set up an extensive scouting system. We look for young players, for players in foreign leagues who everyone does not know about. We try and stay ahead of the competition. We search high and low looking for value, for potential that we can bring on and for players who will allow Newcastle to compete at the very highest level but who don't cost the earth." Mike Ashley 14/09/2008 "The team is going to need time to get things right and we're going to give them time to get it right. We will get it right eventually." Chris Mort 07/12/2007 "Newcastle United has parted company with Sam Allardyce as its Manager with immediate effect." NUFC 09/01/2008 "I'd like to start with people in the North East because there are some great people who come to our matches who sit in the corporate areas, and wouldn’t it be great to have local backing for what we are doing? Some of them would talk to me last season and say, "Mike, is there an opportunity for us to come into the club again because we were shareholders in the plc previously?" I'd tell them we'd look at it at the end of the season as there was no rush but why wouldn't I welcome people who wanted to invest?" Mike Ashley 08/08/2008 I am Mike Ashley, not Mike Ashley a multi-billionaire with unlimited resources. Newcastle United and I can't do what other clubs can. We can't afford it. Mike Ashley 14/09/2008 "I am now a dad who can't take his kids to a football game on a Saturday because I am advised that we would be assaulted" Mike Ashley 14/09/2008 "A number of groups came to the ground to carry out their lawful protest and I would like to praise those fans for the way in which they behaved." Ch Supt Paul Weir, Northumbria Police's match commander 14/09/2008 "We gave no formal advice to Mr Ashley about not attending Saturday's game. It is not our place to do so." Northumbria Police 16/09/2008 "This club had £100million-worth of debt which has now been cleared" Chris Mort 07/05/2008 "I then poured another £110 million into the club not to pay off the debt but just to reduce it. The club is still in debt. Even worse than that, the club still owes millions of pounds in transfer fees." Mike Ashley 14/09/2008 "Financially we're very sound. We don't owe a bean as far as the club are concerned" Joe Kinnear 02/01/2009 "Arsenal is the shining example in England of a sustainable business model." Mike Ashley 14/09/2008 "If I go into a job and someone says to me that you have a director of football who buys and sells the players, I accept or don't accept it. If I accept it, I cannot complain. I would personally not accept that" Arsene Wenger 12/09/2008 "I'm here to help Kevin, bringing young players through and also recommend certain players to him. He'll say yes and no, he has the final word, no-one else. Everything that happens will be run past him. I'm not going to bring players in behind his back - I'm not into that." Dennis Wise 01/02/2008 "We have started talking about who we will be bringing in and Kevin will have the final say" Chris Mort 07/05/2008 "It is a fact that Kevin Keegan, as manager, had specific duties in that he was responsible for the training, coaching, selection and motivation of the Team. It is a fact that Kevin Keegan was allowed to manage his specific duties without any interference from any Board member. It is a fact that Kevin Keegan agreed only to deal with the media in relation to Club matters relating to the Team and not to communicate with the media in relation to the acquisition or disposal of players." NUFC 06/09/2008 “I understand investors are about to buy the club, Mike Ashley told me openly. I will be here for six to eight games. I am aware that the new owners have Kevin Keegan and possibly Alan Shearer parked around the corner.” Joe Kinnear 25/09/2008 "NEWCASTLE United have announced today that Joe Kinnear has signed a contract as manager until the end of the 2008/09 season." NUFC 28/11/2008 "I am no longer prepared to subsidise Newcastle United. I am putting the club up for sale. You don't need to demonstrate against me again because I have got the message." Mike Ashley 14/09/2008 "I have withdrawn Newcastle United from the market" Mike Ashley 28/12/2008 "I gave you my word that as long as I remain owner, this club would continue to be run responsibly at all levels. I hope you will accept that I have stood by that pledge." Mike Ashley 28/12/2008 Quote released when Newcastle where 2 points off the relegation places, halfway through the season “Joe’s the man to do the job. He’s my hero. Is he better than Capello? Definitely. We are going to be in Europe by the end of the season!” Mike Ashley 18/12/2008 Outcome pending "He [Given] won't be leaving, he has no interest in that whatsoever. He loves the football club, he's part of the city and that suits us because he's a world-class goalkeeper. He's very happy here, he's very comfortable at Newcastle United." Joe Kinnear 31/12/2008 "Shay is very despondent, all that he can see ahead with the turmoil on and off the pitch is a battle for survival. Having served the club loyally for over 11 years, Shay feels compelled to consider his position" Michael Kennedy 01/01/2009 "I have enquired about Ferguson, but we will wait and see what the outcome is." Joe Kinnear 03/01/2009 "As far as my chairman, my chief executive and myself are concerned, there's been no contact with Newcastle or any other club regarding Barry." Walter Smith 05/01/2009 "I have withdrawn Newcastle United from the market. Any potential buyer would have to show they had the best interests of Newcastle United at heart and had both the commitment and finance to be worthy custodians of such a fine football club before I would even consider doing a deal." Mike Ashley 28/12/2008 “A few weeks ago there was a decent degree of positive thought and optimism that there would be a buyer and then, amongst others, Mr Madoff came along. There were two people that were looking at Newcastle with us who lost, let’s say, over $300m to Madoff. Let’s face it, it (the Madoff scandal) holed everything beneath the water line. The people who were investing with him followed their peers and they should have done their due diligence and all those things and they didn’t. That came at the end of a two or three-month period of absolute decline in all the stock markets, financial markets and banking markets.” Keith Harris 09/01/2009 "I've spoken to my bosses at the club. They know what my aims are and what I want to continue to progress. As soon as a big club knocks on the door with a good offer, I don't think they'll prevent me leaving." Charles N'Zogbia 08/01/2009 "The agent’s being disrespectful. He’s never had the decency to explain anything to any member of this football club. It’s laughable, to be honest. It’s absolute nonsense. Charles is under contract until 2012, and I told him on day one that he was a very important player." Joe Kinnear 09/01/2009 “Over the course of the year I’ve spoken to lots of fans about how we can improve things at St James’ Park" Chris Mort 22/05/2009 "The SJP Box Office telephone number has now been changed with immediate effect to: 0844 372 1892." NUFC.com 20/01/2009 "01/02 phone numbers are used for everyday local and national calls and can be included in any free or discounted minutes on your tariff. If you don’t have inclusive minutes for these, you’ll typically pay around 4p per minute (ppm) peak and around 1.5ppm off-peak from landlines. 0844 is a revenue-sharing number that is not included in 'free' or discounted minutes. Calls to 0844 phone numbers cost up to 5p a minute from landlines at all times of day, and typically between 15p (if you're a 3 mobile customer) and 40p per minute from mobiles. Depending on your network, call charges may be higher on pay as you go than on a contract." Which.co.uk “I have been out of the country and just returned. I don’t know anything about this. If I have been appointed as coach of Newcastle United then that is certainly news to me.” Colin Calderwood 20/01/2009 "We have Colin Calderwood on board now, he will be joining us until the end of the season to bring something else to our backroom team." Joe Kinnear 26/01/2009 "I am the first to accept there have been times this season when you would have liked to have heard more from me direct, particularly at certain points. There have been reasons why I have not have been able to do that, but in the new year we will look to communicate with you more about what we are doing at St.James' Park, be it through the club's official website, programme and magazine as well as the wider media." Mike Ashley 28/12/2008 “Mike is going to speak to the Press when the window shuts." Joe Kinnear 15/01/2009 "I think they will sit down with supporters' groups and fans and the people of Newcastle at the end of the season - I know they want to do that." Joe Kinnear 05/02/2009 "I'm physically AOK" Joe Kinnear 22/11/2008 “Joe Kinnear was admitted to hospital on Saturday morning." NUFC 07/02/2009 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 They don't have any fanboys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Its part and parcel of football. Just like Arsene Wengers phrase "I didn't see it". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I'm just going to answer the first 'lie/half truth (again). Look at the dates. Quote 1 - summer 2007. Players bought: Beye, Smith, Cacapa, Geremi, Rozenthal, Viduka. All had vast experience in the Premier League/European competition therefore fit the clubs stance. At the time the club was crying out for a bit of experience. I'll grant you that Enrique was a curve ball. Fast forward one season (full of underachievement from Smith, Duff, Cacapa, Rozenthal, Emre, Viduka, Owen etc etc), bring in Wise et al. Fingers burnt, decide to go for young players who are hungry to develop. Signings last summer: Guthrie, Bassong, Xisco. Add to that supposed bids for Turan, Modric, That Swiss striker, Schweinsteiger. Players that fit the last quote perfectly. Colo brought experience, and was this summers Enrique esq curve ball, he's hardly geriatric though was he. Where's the contradiction? If anythign it shows qucik learning on the top brass's part that the old signings dd not represent value for money and di not improve the team as much as their fees/wages should ensure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 cont from above. You can do similar with all of those quotes. There is considerable time between most of the quotes and situations changed drastically in that time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 cont from above. You can do similar with all of those quotes. There is considerable time between most of the quotes and situations changed drastically in that time. The best one still the idea that Kinnear should have known he was going to have a heart attack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I saw this on another forum and thought some of the Ashley/Wise/Llambias fanboys on here might want to comment on these statements. Did you actually read any of that? I am struggling to find any lies, very few genuine contradictions (even then they come by word of mouth from Kinnear, not Ashley) and certainly nothing that is malicious or taking the piss or cannot be explained or put down to the usual changes of circumstance. Get a grip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 They're as economical with the truth as they are running the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I am fed up with all this constant moaning coming from some quarters. We asked for communication, we got it in spades with the Q&A session, now predictably "it's all lies" anyway. I am coming to terms with the fact that we are going to be putting our financial house in order with a view to being in a position to invest more money once we've moved some of the dead wood out of the club. I would love it if we got bought out and a trillionaire started buying all the best players but until that happens I would rather just enjoy the football as best I can. Lovenkrands looks a canny player and we've got some good players coming back into the picture. I think I'll postpone suicide for another year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 This has been done before.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I am fed up with all this constant moaning coming from some quarters. We asked for communication, we got it in spades with the Q&A session, now predictably "it's all lies" anyway. I am coming to terms with the fact that we are going to be putting our financial house in order with a view to being in a position to invest mor money once we've moved some of the dead wood out of the club. I would love it if we got bought out and a trillionaire started buying all the best players but until that happens I would rather just enjoy the football as best I can. Lovenkrands looks a canny player and we've got some good players coming back into the picture. I think I'll postpone suicide for another year. Everything will be fine mate if it comes off. They've gambled on retaining our Premier League status this season without spending much on players or management. Having a financially sound club is what I think everyone wants, but right now it looks like a dodgy bet that's all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 More spin than NE5's paranoid delusions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I am fed up with all this constant moaning coming from some quarters. We asked for communication, we got it in spades with the Q&A session, now predictably "it's all lies" anyway. I am coming to terms with the fact that we are going to be putting our financial house in order with a view to being in a position to invest mor money once we've moved some of the dead wood out of the club. I would love it if we got bought out and a trillionaire started buying all the best players but until that happens I would rather just enjoy the football as best I can. Lovenkrands looks a canny player and we've got some good players coming back into the picture. I think I'll postpone suicide for another year. Everything will be fine mate if it comes off. They've gambled on retaining our Premier League status this season without spending much on players or management. Having a financially sound club is what I think everyone wants, but right now it looks like a dodgy bet that's all. got to agree with t'dave there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I am fed up with all this constant moaning coming from some quarters. We asked for communication, we got it in spades with the Q&A session, now predictably "it's all lies" anyway. I am coming to terms with the fact that we are going to be putting our financial house in order with a view to being in a position to invest mor money once we've moved some of the dead wood out of the club. I would love it if we got bought out and a trillionaire started buying all the best players but until that happens I would rather just enjoy the football as best I can. Lovenkrands looks a canny player and we've got some good players coming back into the picture. I think I'll postpone suicide for another year. Everything will be fine mate if it comes off. They've gambled on retaining our Premier League status this season without spending much on players or management. Having a financially sound club is what I think everyone wants, but right now it looks like a dodgy bet that's all. got to agree with t'dave there No argument with Dave, he's probably right although i think we'll be ok this season. I was meaning the tone of the OP which doesn't fall under constructive criticism for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Everything will be fine mate if it comes off. They've gambled on retaining our Premier League status this season without spending much on players or management. Having a financially sound club is what I think everyone wants, but right now it looks like a dodgy bet that's all. Agreed, we're in deep shit if we get it wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 They're as economical with the truth as they are running the club. So they've done the truth equivalent of bunging in about £130 million more than anyone in the club's history? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandamninator Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 "I'm here to help Kevin, bringing young players through and also recommend certain players to him. He'll say yes and no, he has the final word, no-one else. Everything that happens will be run past him. I'm not going to bring players in behind his back - I'm not into that." Dennis Wise 01/02/2008 "We have started talking about who we will be bringing in and Kevin will have the final say" Chris Mort 07/05/2008 "It is a fact that Kevin Keegan, as manager, had specific duties in that he was responsible for the training, coaching, selection and motivation of the Team. It is a fact that Kevin Keegan was allowed to manage his specific duties without any interference from any Board member. It is a fact that Kevin Keegan agreed only to deal with the media in relation to Club matters relating to the Team and not to communicate with the media in relation to the acquisition or disposal of players." NUFC 06/09/2008 --- Wonder what Keegans going to do with his 8 million pounds... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Libertine Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 "I'm here to help Kevin, bringing young players through and also recommend certain players to him. He'll say yes and no, he has the final word, no-one else. Everything that happens will be run past him. I'm not going to bring players in behind his back - I'm not into that." Dennis Wise 01/02/2008 "We have started talking about who we will be bringing in and Kevin will have the final say" Chris Mort 07/05/2008 "It is a fact that Kevin Keegan, as manager, had specific duties in that he was responsible for the training, coaching, selection and motivation of the Team. It is a fact that Kevin Keegan was allowed to manage his specific duties without any interference from any Board member. It is a fact that Kevin Keegan agreed only to deal with the media in relation to Club matters relating to the Team and not to communicate with the media in relation to the acquisition or disposal of players." NUFC 06/09/2008 --- Wonder what Keegans going to do with his 8 million pounds... there are enough quotes which suggest keegan is also in the wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandamninator Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Such as? Any which weren't made after Keegan left and they went into damage control mode to try and save their own behinds from getting fried. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Libertine Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Such as? Any which weren't made after Keegan left and they went into damage control mode to try and save their own behinds from getting fried. im not looking for them now but there are plenty. there's a few quotes from mort which are also interesting. no idea what that last part means. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 "We did the typical due diligence one would do on a public takeover. There is no sense that anyone has tried to mislead us" Chris Mort 10/08/2007 "We inherited so much, It's like buying a car on HP but then it gets written off, but you still have to pay it. That's how the business was being run, they ran it on a credit. We're knocking down walls and rebuilding. We are trying to get away from dating so that we don't have huge amounts of money going out. We are trying to pay up front." Derek Llambias 10/02/2009 If anyone has a quote where they say there was more debt than they expected I'd love to see it. I know Shepherd has claimed they didn't do due diligence, has anyone in the club? Until then I can't say he's lying, just passing the buck despite everything having been made clear according to Mort, the man involved from the get go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 "We did the typical due diligence one would do on a public takeover. There is no sense that anyone has tried to mislead us" Chris Mort 10/08/2007 "We inherited so much, It's like buying a car on HP but then it gets written off, but you still have to pay it. That's how the business was being run, they ran it on a credit. We're knocking down walls and rebuilding. We are trying to get away from dating so that we don't have huge amounts of money going out. We are trying to pay up front." Derek Llambias 10/02/2009 If anyone has a quote where they say there was more debt than they expected I'd love to see it. I know Shepherd has claimed they didn't do due diligence, has anyone in the club? Until then I can't say he's lying, just passing the buck despite everything having been made clear according to Mort, the man involved from the get go. Found it.... “We first heard about the potential sale on a Saturday and had done the deal by the Wednesday, so if you are asking if we did due diligence before buying then the answer has to be no." Mike Ashley 12/08/2008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 "We did the typical due diligence one would do on a public takeover. There is no sense that anyone has tried to mislead us" Chris Mort 10/08/2007 "We inherited so much, It's like buying a car on HP but then it gets written off, but you still have to pay it. That's how the business was being run, they ran it on a credit. We're knocking down walls and rebuilding. We are trying to get away from dating so that we don't have huge amounts of money going out. We are trying to pay up front." Derek Llambias 10/02/2009 If anyone has a quote where they say there was more debt than they expected I'd love to see it. I know Shepherd has claimed they didn't do due diligence, has anyone in the club? Until then I can't say he's lying, just passing the buck despite everything having been made clear according to Mort, the man involved from the get go. Found it.... We first heard about the potential sale on a Saturday and had done the deal by the Wednesday, so if you are asking if we did due diligence before buying then the answer has to be no." Mike Ashley 12/08/2008 Can you clear up exactly what your point is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 "I'm physically AOK" Joe Kinnear 22/11/2008 “Joe Kinnear was admitted to hospital on Saturday morning." NUFC 07/02/2009 f***ing lying b****** eh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 "I'm physically AOK" Joe Kinnear 22/11/2008 Joe Kinnear was admitted to hospital on Saturday morning." NUFC 07/02/2009 f***ing lying b****** eh. Yes, it's like me saying it's freezing outside and you coming back in May and calling me a liar because it's warm and sunny at that time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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