Smal Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 On 08/05/2026 at 14:47, Nucasol said: Great news. Hopefully there’s a pathway mapped out for him that doesn’t involve benchwarmimg for lower league Scottish clubs or Belgian relegation fodder. yeah, if he’s as good as it sounds then he should be getting some minutes soon. No need for 6 senior CMs next season with no Europe so would be the ideal opportunity really. Not convinced the loan system is a good way to develop players at all, and not just because of our lack of success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingxlnc Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 This is also why ECL would be good, to blood some of these kids with us instead of rely on loans that mostly don’t work Finneran, Ramsay and Miley Murphy, Osula, Cordero would be great to see what they can do with some of the backups even if we don’t win it, it doesn’t matter because the objective is different Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 10 minutes ago, kingxlnc said: This is also why ECL would be good, to blood some of these kids with us instead of rely on loans that mostly don’t work Finneran, Ramsay and Miley Murphy, Osula, Cordero would be great to see what they can do with some of the backups even if we don’t win it, it doesn’t matter because the objective is different Howe won’t do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 Is he likely to be playing in the Joelinton role in howes formation? Finneran is left footed right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 46 minutes ago, Smal said: yeah, if he’s as good as it sounds then he should be getting some minutes soon. No need for 6 senior CMs next season with no Europe so would be the ideal opportunity really. Not convinced the loan system is a good way to develop players at all, and not just because of our lack of success. Different horses for different courses. You could argue that it was critical in the development of the best English player of the last decade and more. Saliba isn’t what he is now without being allowed to continue his development on loan. It’s an inexact science, but you’d struggle to argue that it never works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 13 minutes ago, leffe186 said: Different horses for different courses. You could argue that it was critical in the development of the best English player of the last decade and more. Saliba isn’t what he is now without being allowed to continue his development on loan. It’s an inexact science, but you’d struggle to argue that it never works. Who’s to say I guess. Kane only got a chance in the first team because expensive signings like Soldado flopped hard, and Adebayor iirc. In another timeline Soldado was a success and Kane is just loaned out again until his contract expires or something. I recall some Arsenal fans wanting Arteta to give Saliba a chance in the first team before his loan to Marseille instead of the likes of Holding or Cedric getting as many minutes as they got. Who’s to say they couldn’t have had an extra season out of him at a high level. But regardless, I’m not saying it never works because clearly it has. I just don’t think the success rate is worth the risk. If you rate a player highly then get them involved and give them a taste of the level they need to be at instead of spending big money and wages on, ie, a 6th choice midfielder. I think Miley’s development here has been really good for example, and it would have been even better if not for the injuries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 21 minutes ago, Smal said: Who’s to say I guess. Kane only got a chance in the first team because expensive signings like Soldado flopped hard, and Adebayor iirc. In another timeline Soldado was a success and Kane is just loaned out again until his contract expires or something. I recall some Arsenal fans wanting Arteta to give Saliba a chance in the first team before his loan to Marseille instead of the likes of Holding or Cedric getting as many minutes as they got. Who’s to say they couldn’t have had an extra season out of him at a high level. But regardless, I’m not saying it never works because clearly it has. I just don’t think the success rate is worth the risk. If you rate a player highly then get them involved and give them a taste of the level they need to be at instead of spending big money and wages on, ie, a 6th choice midfielder. I think Miley’s development here has been really good for example, and it would have been even better if not for the injuries. Oh I agree, it’s open to question. But you’re using the wrong Kane timeline for your argument. You need to ask what would have happened if he’d stayed at Spurs without being loaned out and getting the experience at Orient etc. Maybe he’d have got a few games coming on as sub, maybe we’d have sold him to somebody else. The elephant in the room is whether the loan system should exist at all, and honestly I’d rather it didn’t. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 (edited) Don't think it's a clear black and white case for loans being a bad or good system. I would say there needs be an age limit for loans though. Can't have Chelsea loaning 25 year olds to other clubs but also extending their contract in the process in case they come good and can sell for a profit Us sending players to clubs who have seemingly no intention of playing them is our main issue Edited May 10 by joeyt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 4 minutes ago, joeyt said: Don't think it's a clear black and white case for loans being a bad or good system. I would say there needs be an age limit for loans though. Can't have Chelsea loaning 25 year olds to other clubs but also extending their contract in the process in case they come good and can sell for a profit Us sending players to clubs who have seemingly no intention of playing them is our main issue It’s just another aspect of the system that massively favours the big clubs. There is an argument that it might have contributed to the breadth and depth of talent we have as a country by giving more youngsters the opportunity to have a higher level of competition and coaching, but I feel uncomfortable about having such a huge amount of youngsters on loan throughout the pyramid. I guess I’d rather have it than the Spanish or German system where (presuming they still do this, I’m not as engaged as I was) big clubs have reserve teams in the lower division. There’s always going to be a trade-off. I guess the first red line I want to be drawn is to outlaw proper feeder clubs like in the BlueCo system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 I think reserve teams in lower divisions would be absolutely horrific Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 (edited) Edited May 14 by Rafalove Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 The VVV Venlo subsitutes bench is calling their name Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilcline Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 3 minutes ago, Rafalove said: I accept this is probably a very boring perspective, but hopefully we're just battering teams on account of a tour/event booked ages ago and because of how the players have developed this year. If they're that good that this becomes the norm they need moving up a year or two so they might actually learn something, obviously assume that's something the club will already be/is looking at Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 8 minutes ago, Kilcline said: I accept this is probably a very boring perspective, but hopefully we're just battering teams on account of a tour/event booked ages ago and because of how the players have developed this year. If they're that good that this becomes the norm they need moving up a year or two so they might actually learn something, obviously assume that's something the club will already be/is looking at Loads of them already play up. Some of them are playing up by three years (Ghanem, Flack and Robinson all under 15’s have had game time for the under 18’s for example). That’s actually one of the clubs usp’s when pitching NUFC to potential signings and their parents. A very genuine route to senior football as quickly as they’re ready. Some of the under 16’s train with the first team squad on occasion too. There’s genuinely high hopes for a good few of them but obviously a long way to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilcline Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 12 minutes ago, Minhosa said: Loads of them already play up. Some of them are playing up by three years (Ghanem, Flack and Robinson all under 15’s have had game time for the under 18’s for example). That’s actually one of the clubs usp’s when pitching NUFC to potential signings and their parents. A very genuine route to senior football as quickly as they’re ready. Some of the under 16’s train with the first team squad on occasion too. There’s genuinely high hopes for a good few of them but obviously a long way to go. That's good to hear. One of my mates' nephews is in the 14s or 15s but never tells me anything beyond what ends up on Twitter etc, save for the odd photo and video Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapo Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Probably more an indictment on the state of Irish football but Rory Finneran has been called up to the senior squad for the upcoming friendlies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Just now, Chapo said: Probably more an indictment on the state of Irish football but Rory Finneran has been called up to the senior squad for the upcoming friendlies He does look quality like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 59 minutes ago, Chapo said: Probably more an indictment on the state of Irish football but Rory Finneran has been called up to the senior squad for the upcoming friendlies Also been training with the first team iirc? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 4 hours ago, gbandit said: He does look quality like Yeah he’s the one I have most hopes for Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 On 14/05/2026 at 18:34, Chapo said: Probably more an indictment on the state of Irish football but Rory Finneran has been called up to the senior squad for the upcoming friendlies Call me cynical but imagine it's so he doesn't choose England in the future if he gets the chance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilcline Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 4 minutes ago, joeyt said: Call me cynical but imagine it's so he doesn't choose England in the future if he gets the chance Friendlies make no odds anyway, Declan Rice has three Ireland caps Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 7 minutes ago, Kilcline said: Friendlies make no odds anyway, Declan Rice has three Ireland caps Yeah i didn't say they did but if you can look after him from a young age there's a chance he might choose Ireland in a few years time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapo Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 2 hours ago, joeyt said: Call me cynical but imagine it's so he doesn't choose England in the future if he gets the chance Like I said, it's an indictment on the state of Irish football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 Has there been any news about who we're keeping and releasing from the academy and u23 group yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Cardigan Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 13 minutes ago, Chapo said: Like I said, it's an indictment on the state of Irish football. It isn’t though, he’s called up cos it’s a friendly against Grenada where almost no senior players will feature. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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