DJ_NUFC Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Mike Ashley is a fucking pig. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 (I've been venting since the game. There's really not much else to be said or done, we've all exhausted every single argument and blamed everyone possible for what has gone on this season. Time now to just let out the raw emotion.) *Kicks the ground as he's too lazy to get up from his seat and kick something worthwhile* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 I disagree with Wullie tbh... for one thing - N'Zogbia had been pretty poor given that he blatantly didn't want to be here. Aye, you can't blame him (or any of them) for not wanting to be at this club, but with N'Zogbia - that had been the case for years. Faye, meh. He was good but always injured and again, didn't want to be here. Allardyce fanboy at the end of the day. Milner was a bit meh, at £12m that was hardly a mistake. Not bringing anyone else in was a mistake like, but that's another matter. Given i will give you, but again, he didn't want to be here... although as we're led to believe, Ashley was the reason for that anyway. Tbh, i think Kinnear could have had Kaka, Ronaldinho and Eto'o to pick from - we'd still be lingering around the relegation spots. you can make a good argument for each individual player - faye, given, n'zogbia, milner but collectively it is quite damning that all have been let go and no replacement bought. only with faye did we try to replace him but it has not worked out with coloccini. the fact they all wanted to leave doesnt mitigate that, imo it is yet another fact that reflects badly on the club, at least in the cases of given and milner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 I still can't my head round the selling of Given to Man City in instalments. I really can't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 I still can't my head round the selling of Given to Man City in instalments. I really can't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Abramovich also spent over £200 million on new players, for a team that had finished 4th the previous season. That's a far better explanation of Chelsea's success than appointing Peter Kenyon. Its all the same thing. It showed that Abramovich would only settle for the best that he could possibly get - in every possible position at the club. He knew that the appointments he made off the field were as important as the ones made on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 I still can't my head round the selling of Given to Man City in instalments. I really can't. not sure it's in installments but i am sure we don't get a penny till the summer. fuckin stoopid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 I still can't my head round the selling of Given to Man City in instalments. I really can't. not sure it's in installments but i am sure we don't get a penny till the summer. fuckin stoopid Aye sorry that's what I meant. Ridiculous though. The fee itself was bad enough, although Given did want to leave so you can see why. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 I still can't my head round the selling of Given to Man City in instalments. I really can't. Has that been confirmed? I'll assume it has, but I think the club lost a lot of their bargaining power when Given refused to play for us at Manchester City. Obviously in an ideal world you'd say let him rot in the reserves, but it rarely happens like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Heard a good comparison recently that said when Abramovich went to Chelsea and wanted to make them the best, he went and poached the Chief Exec of the world biggest football club in Peter Kenyon. Ashley came in and took a guy who had managed a casino. The gulf between the 2 choices of men are quite unbelievable and go to show how poor Ashleys decisions have been. Abramovich also spent over £200 million on new players, for a team that had finished 4th the previous season. That's a far better explanation of Chelsea's success than appointing Peter Kenyon. The one that riles me personally is that another team with a bankrupt sponsor and loads of name players on ridiculous contracts had their manager walk out on them a matter of hours after the transfer window closed last summer citing a lack of control over transfers. That team is of course West Ham. Instead of dicking about and infighting, West Ham worked immediately to get a replacement, kept the fans informed and on the teams' side, and soon got a decent replacement in. Everything settled down and they've had a quite good season. All we've done is incompetently stumble from one cock up to the next. It looks like we'll have to pay the ultimate price for them. Curbishley's status at West Ham was not the same as Keegan's at Newcastle, and his resignation did not provoke a campaign to oust the board. Arguing by analogy is a dangerous exercise. True, but i honestly don't see how it makes any difference? Sittingontheball said West Ham: kept the fans informed, appointed a manager. How did Keegan's stature here obstruct the chance to do either of those things. Well as I said, Keegan's walkout created a huge uproar, and Ashley decided that he had to sell up, in order to restore peace and end what could have been an increasingly fraught situation. His decision to sell then created a major problem in selecting a new manager, as any appointee would only be temporary until the ownership situation was resolved. He didn't predict the difficulty of selling that came about with the credit crunch. You could argue that Ashley should have stuck it out and defied the groups that were calling for him to go. But at the time the situation was quite ugly and it didn't look like he had much choice. I think he decided to sell for the right reasons, and we don't know whether we'd have been better off in the end if he'd dug his heels in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Well as I said, Keegan's walkout created a huge uproar, and Ashley decided that he had to sell up, in order to restore peace and end what could have been an increasingly fraught situation. His decision to sell then created a major problem in selecting a new manager, as any appointee would only be temporary until the ownership situation was resolved. He didn't predict the difficulty of selling that came about with the credit crunch. You could argue that Ashley should have stuck it out and defied the groups that were calling for him to go. But at the time the situation was quite ugly and it didn't look like he had much choice. I think he decided to sell for the right reasons, and we don't know whether we'd have been better off in the end if he'd dug his heels in. Good post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RowanB Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Three men most responsible for the trouble we're in now: Kenny Dalglish - Took us from 2nd best team in England that took Man Utd apart 5-0 to relegation candidates. Graeme Souness - Destroyed another decent team. Mike Ashely - Alienated Keegan and replaced him with Joe Kinnear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Three men most responsible for the trouble we're in now: Kenny Dalglish - Took us from 2nd best team in England that took Man Utd apart 5-0 to relegation candidates. Graeme Souness - Destroyed another decent team. Mike Ashely - Alienated Keegan and replaced him with Joe Kinnear. Dalglish as well as buying some monumental shite also left us with Solano, Dabizas, Given, Speed and Hamann. It wasn't also his fault that Shearer got injured just as Sir Les was about to sign for Tottingham. I'm by no means Dalglish's biggest fan but to suggest he is partially to blame for where we are now is quite ludicrous to say the least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Three men most responsible for the trouble we're in now: Kenny Dalglish - Took us from 2nd best team in England that took Man Utd apart 5-0 to relegation candidates. Graeme Souness - Destroyed another decent team. Mike Ashely - Alienated Keegan and replaced him with Joe Kinnear. How far are we allowed to go back? And are you ignoring the fact that we've qualified for the Champions League since then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LucaAltieri Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Three men most responsible for the trouble we're in now: Kenny Dalglish - Took us from 2nd best team in England that took Man Utd apart 5-0 to relegation candidates. Graeme Souness - Destroyed another decent team. Mike Ashely - Alienated Keegan and replaced him with Joe Kinnear. Dalglish as well as buying some monumental shite also left us with Solano, Dabizas, Given, Speed and Hamann. When he left didn't we have a first team squad of something like 42 players? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Three men most responsible for the trouble we're in now: Kenny Dalglish - Took us from 2nd best team in England that took Man Utd apart 5-0 to relegation candidates. Graeme Souness - Destroyed another decent team. Mike Ashely - Alienated Keegan and replaced him with Joe Kinnear. Dalglish as well as buying some monumental s**** also left us with Solano, Dabizas, Given, Speed and Hamann. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Three men most responsible for the trouble we're in now: Kenny Dalglish - Took us from 2nd best team in England that took Man Utd apart 5-0 to relegation candidates. Graeme Souness - Destroyed another decent team. Mike Ashely - Alienated Keegan and replaced him with Joe Kinnear. Dalglish as well as buying some monumental s**** also left us with Solano, Dabizas, Given, Speed and Hamann. When we first signed Dabizas I was really impressed with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Three men most responsible for the trouble we're in now: Kenny Dalglish - Took us from 2nd best team in England that took Man Utd apart 5-0 to relegation candidates. Graeme Souness - Destroyed another decent team. Mike Ashely - Alienated Keegan and replaced him with Joe Kinnear. Dalglish as well as buying some monumental shite also left us with Solano, Dabizas, Given, Speed and Hamann. A lot of people forget that. Benitez also has a transfer record with as many hits as he has misses and yet he's constantly lauded by the press. People forget he bought crap like Morientes, Josemi, Kromkamp, Mark Gonzalez etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Three men most responsible for the trouble we're in now: Kenny Dalglish - Took us from 2nd best team in England that took Man Utd apart 5-0 to relegation candidates. Graeme Souness - Destroyed another decent team. Mike Ashely - Alienated Keegan and replaced him with Joe Kinnear. Dalglish as well as buying some monumental s**** also left us with Solano, Dabizas, Given, Speed and Hamann. When we first signed Dabizas I was really impressed with him. We were all impressed with Coloccini. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Three men most responsible for the trouble we're in now: Kenny Dalglish - Took us from 2nd best team in England that took Man Utd apart 5-0 to relegation candidates. Graeme Souness - Destroyed another decent team. Mike Ashely - Alienated Keegan and replaced him with Joe Kinnear. Dalglish as well as buying some monumental s**** also left us with Solano, Dabizas, Given, Speed and Hamann. When we first signed Dabizas I was really impressed with him. We were all impressed with Coloccini. The Dabizas we bought back then would easily get into the team now. Also how am I forgetting Temuri. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Three men most responsible for the trouble we're in now: Kenny Dalglish - Took us from 2nd best team in England that took Man Utd apart 5-0 to relegation candidates. Graeme Souness - Destroyed another decent team. Mike Ashely - Alienated Keegan and replaced him with Joe Kinnear. Dalglish as well as buying some monumental s**** also left us with Solano, Dabizas, Given, Speed and Hamann. When we first signed Dabizas I was really impressed with him. We were all impressed with Coloccini. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Three men most responsible for the trouble we're in now: Kenny Dalglish - Took us from 2nd best team in England that took Man Utd apart 5-0 to relegation candidates. Graeme Souness - Destroyed another decent team. Mike Ashely - Alienated Keegan and replaced him with Joe Kinnear. Dalglish as well as buying some monumental shite also left us with Solano, Dabizas, Given, Speed and Hamann. A lot of people forget that. Benitez also has a transfer record with as many hits as he has misses and yet he's constantly lauded by the press. People forget he bought crap like Morientes, Josemi, Kromkamp, Mark Gonzalez etc. Barnes and Pearce both done sterling jobs for us. Rush was fucking shite though. As was Andersson, Guivarc'h etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Three men most responsible for the trouble we're in now: Kenny Dalglish - Took us from 2nd best team in England that took Man Utd apart 5-0 to relegation candidates. Graeme Souness - Destroyed another decent team. Mike Ashely - Alienated Keegan and replaced him with Joe Kinnear. Dalglish as well as buying some monumental shite also left us with Solano, Dabizas, Given, Speed and Hamann. A lot of people forget that. Benitez also has a transfer record with as many hits as he has misses and yet he's constantly lauded by the press. People forget he bought crap like Morientes, Josemi, Kromkamp, Mark Gonzalez etc. Barnes and Pearce both done sterling jobs for us. Rush was fucking shite though. As was Andersson, Guivarc'h etc. Garry Brady Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Three men most responsible for the trouble we're in now: Kenny Dalglish - Took us from 2nd best team in England that took Man Utd apart 5-0 to relegation candidates. Graeme Souness - Destroyed another decent team. Mike Ashely - Alienated Keegan and replaced him with Joe Kinnear. Dalglish as well as buying some monumental s**** also left us with Solano, Dabizas, Given, Speed and Hamann. When we first signed Dabizas I was really impressed with him. We were all impressed with Coloccini. Well you would've been wrong not to be. He played well against Man U and Bolton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Three men most responsible for the trouble we're in now: Kenny Dalglish - Took us from 2nd best team in England that took Man Utd apart 5-0 to relegation candidates. Graeme Souness - Destroyed another decent team. Mike Ashely - Alienated Keegan and replaced him with Joe Kinnear. Dalglish as well as buying some monumental shite also left us with Solano, Dabizas, Given, Speed and Hamann. A lot of people forget that. Benitez also has a transfer record with as many hits as he has misses and yet he's constantly lauded by the press. People forget he bought crap like Morientes, Josemi, Kromkamp, Mark Gonzalez etc. Barnes and Pearce both done sterling jobs for us. Rush was fucking shite though. As was Andersson, Guivarc'h etc. Garry Brady Brian Pinas, Carl Serrant. I won't mention Stephen Glass though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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