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CHARLES SALE: Americans aim to scupper Barry Moat's Newcastle bid

 

Last updated at 12:16 AM on 12th September 2009

 

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The marathon takeover saga at Newcastle took another twist on Friday night with a New York investment fund dealing direct with owner Mike Ashley in an attempt to fast-track the sale of the club.

 

It has been claimed their negotiations had reached the stage of a sale and purchase agreement with the Americans, having satisfied Ashley they have the necessary £100million funding to complete the deal.

Newcastle United owner Mike Ashley in the stands with Chairman Derek Llambias

 

 

But the situation as ever during Ashleys regime is by no means clear as the Americans, represented by Manchester law firm Halliwells, are bypassing the official selling agents Seymour Pierce and conducting their business with Ashleys London legal advisers Travers Smith.

   

 

 

The middle man in the deal is businessman Geoff Sheard, a former commercial director at Preston, who has kept in the background to avoid any publicity after an attempt to buy Sheffield Wednesday proved unsuccessful.

 

Stockbrokers Seymour Pierce dont regard Sheard as a serious buyer, having not been satisfied with his proof of funding.

 

But a spokesperson for Ashley said last night that Sheards consortium were being treated as genuine buyers, yet had ground to make up on Newcastle businessman Barry Moats bid.

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1212895/CHARLES-SALE-Americans-aim-scupper-Barry-Moats-Newcastle-bid.html#ixzz0QqP8XO

 

 

If true, the bit about the Americans dealing direct with Ashley rather than through Seymour Pierce is interesting. Harris has said more than once that he thinks there should be a strong local presence in the ownership of the club. It's reasonable to surmise that he favours Moat.

 

Personally, I think local ownership is a mixed blessing. You often hear that the club should be owned by someone who understands the place of the club in the region, but it's not clear exactly what decisions would be different in the case of a local owner. If anything, we need owners that can resist the pressure and not get sucked into decisions that are driven more by hope and emotion than common sense. A big problem with Shepherd was that, as a fan, he couldn't resist meddling in footballing decisions and showed favouritism to Shearer as the fans' hero.

 

You could look at Ashley and say that he, as an outsider, hasn't done very well. My view is that his overall strategy was fine in the circumstances that the club were in, but his fatal blunder was appointing Keegan - a man whose motivation was suspect, who was unsuited to a long-term approach or working within a team, and whose chief asset was his standing with the fans. In that decision, Ashley was paying too much attention to local opinion, not too little.

 

Of course, some may disagree.

 

KEEGAN'S MOTIVATION, in coming back . .  Yes, that is something that has bugged me quite a lot.  I mean, what do you think he came back for?

 

Certainly, events have proved that it was NOT (what we all hoped it was for) to "finish off the job he started and win us the Premier League every year" . . . NO, I think it was something altogether "less noble" than that.

 

He certainly didn't stick around long when the going got tough, did he?

 

Because of THAT (though it was probably Ashley's actual fault) we are now relegated and are in the Second Division ('nothingness', as someone once called it).

 

Yes KEEGAN'S MOTIVES, are very, very, very, suspect  -  in MY opinion.

 

Its KKs fault we are in the 2nd div?

 

Lame,

 

Not the fact that ashley would not invest money??

 

Thats why KK left, he could nto get Ashley to invest in any players.

 

Jesus wept.

 

Embarrassing isn't it? Some people still fail to understand why Keegan left. 

 

EVERYONE knows why he left.

 

That was just the 'last chapter' (the 'last page', even) in the story.

 

His reasons for coming back and his lack of regard for us and the club by his leaving So SOON (so bl**dy soon) should not be disregarded so totally.

 

He was, and is, complicit (strongly) in our demise, whether you like it or not.

 

Ok then if this is defacto and you have spoken to KK himself and know the truth of why he was here for such a short period of time, could you share this with me and the rest of the folk on this forum?

[manorpark]

CHARLES SALE: Americans aim to scupper Barry Moat's Newcastle bid

 

Last updated at 12:16 AM on 12th September 2009

 

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The marathon takeover saga at Newcastle took another twist on Friday night with a New York investment fund dealing direct with owner Mike Ashley in an attempt to fast-track the sale of the club.

 

It has been claimed their negotiations had reached the stage of a sale and purchase agreement with the Americans, having satisfied Ashley they have the necessary £100million funding to complete the deal.

Newcastle United owner Mike Ashley in the stands with Chairman Derek Llambias

 

 

But the situation — as ever during Ashley’s regime — is by no means clear as the Americans, represented by Manchester law firm Halliwells, are bypassing the official selling agents Seymour Pierce and conducting their business with Ashley’s London legal advisers Travers Smith.

   

 

 

The middle man in the deal is businessman Geoff Sheard, a former commercial director at Preston, who has kept in the background to avoid any publicity after an attempt to buy Sheffield Wednesday proved unsuccessful.

 

Stockbrokers Seymour Pierce don’t regard Sheard as a serious buyer, having not been satisfied with his proof of funding.

 

But a spokesperson for Ashley said last night that Sheard’s consortium were being treated as genuine buyers, yet had ground to make up on Newcastle businessman Barry Moat’s bid.

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1212895/CHARLES-SALE-Americans-aim-scupper-Barry-Moats-Newcastle-bid.html#ixzz0QqP8XO

 

 

If true, the bit about the Americans dealing direct with Ashley rather than through Seymour Pierce is interesting. Harris has said more than once that he thinks there should be a strong local presence in the ownership of the club. It's reasonable to surmise that he favours Moat.

 

Personally, I think local ownership is a mixed blessing. You often hear that the club should be owned by someone who understands the place of the club in the region, but it's not clear exactly what decisions would be different in the case of a local owner. If anything, we need owners that can resist the pressure and not get sucked into decisions that are driven more by hope and emotion than common sense. A big problem with Shepherd was that, as a fan, he couldn't resist meddling in footballing decisions and showed favouritism to Shearer as the fans' hero.

 

You could look at Ashley and say that he, as an outsider, hasn't done very well. My view is that his overall strategy was fine in the circumstances that the club were in, but his fatal blunder was appointing Keegan - a man whose motivation was suspect, who was unsuited to a long-term approach or working within a team, and whose chief asset was his standing with the fans. In that decision, Ashley was paying too much attention to local opinion, not too little.

 

Of course, some may disagree.

 

KEEGAN'S MOTIVATION, in coming back . .  Yes, that is something that has bugged me quite a lot.  I mean, what do you think he came back for?

 

Certainly, events have proved that it was NOT (what we all hoped it was for) to "finish off the job he started and win us the Premier League every year" . . . NO, I think it was something altogether "less noble" than that.

 

He certainly didn't stick around long when the going got tough, did he?

 

Because of THAT (though it was probably Ashley's actual fault) we are now relegated and are in the Second Division ('nothingness', as someone once called it).

 

Yes KEEGAN'S MOTIVES, are very, very, very, suspect  -  in MY opinion.

 

Its KKs fault we are in the 2nd div?

 

Lame,

 

Not the fact that ashley would not invest money??

 

Thats why KK left, he could nto get Ashley to invest in any players.

 

Jesus wept.

 

Embarrassing isn't it? Some people still fail to understand why Keegan left. 

 

EVERYONE knows why he left.

 

That was just the 'last chapter' (the 'last page', even) in the story.

 

His reasons for coming back and his lack of regard for us and the club by his leaving So SOON (so bl**dy soon) should not be disregarded so totally.

 

He was, and is, complicit (strongly) in our demise, whether you like it or not.

 

Ok then if this is defacto and you have spoken to KK himself and know the truth of why he was here for such a short period of time, could you share this with me and the rest of the folk on this forum?

 

Have you any idea how silly that sounds?

 

As with anything in life, you do not need to have spoken to (or even 'met') the individuals involved, to know a lot about what went on.

 

How many people in Dallas have you spoken to about President Kennedy being shot?  Yet, you know he was and that Lee Harvey Oswald was involved, though (like with Keegan) you cannot know the FULL extent of his involvement.

 

How many people in New York have you spoken to (and met) about the destruction of the World Trade centre . .   and yet, you know what happened . . .

 

Need I go on?

 

You cannot (well, 'should' not) artificially instigate "additional proof standards" to the Keegan leaving Newcastle situation, that does not apply to any other of the ten trillion or so 'events' that occur around the world.

 

Keegan WAS involved in our demise.  I have NOT "seen the photos" . . . but he WAS involved in our demise.

 

 

[NG32]

CHARLES SALE: Americans aim to scupper Barry Moat's Newcastle bid

 

Last updated at 12:16 AM on 12th September 2009

 

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The marathon takeover saga at Newcastle took another twist on Friday night with a New York investment fund dealing direct with owner Mike Ashley in an attempt to fast-track the sale of the club.

 

It has been claimed their negotiations had reached the stage of a sale and purchase agreement with the Americans, having satisfied Ashley they have the necessary £100million funding to complete the deal.

Newcastle United owner Mike Ashley in the stands with Chairman Derek Llambias

 

 

But the situation as ever during Ashleys regime is by no means clear as the Americans, represented by Manchester law firm Halliwells, are bypassing the official selling agents Seymour Pierce and conducting their business with Ashleys London legal advisers Travers Smith.

   

 

 

The middle man in the deal is businessman Geoff Sheard, a former commercial director at Preston, who has kept in the background to avoid any publicity after an attempt to buy Sheffield Wednesday proved unsuccessful.

 

Stockbrokers Seymour Pierce dont regard Sheard as a serious buyer, having not been satisfied with his proof of funding.

 

But a spokesperson for Ashley said last night that Sheards consortium were being treated as genuine buyers, yet had ground to make up on Newcastle businessman Barry Moats bid.

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1212895/CHARLES-SALE-Americans-aim-scupper-Barry-Moats-Newcastle-bid.html#ixzz0QqP8XO

 

 

If true, the bit about the Americans dealing direct with Ashley rather than through Seymour Pierce is interesting. Harris has said more than once that he thinks there should be a strong local presence in the ownership of the club. It's reasonable to surmise that he favours Moat.

 

Personally, I think local ownership is a mixed blessing. You often hear that the club should be owned by someone who understands the place of the club in the region, but it's not clear exactly what decisions would be different in the case of a local owner. If anything, we need owners that can resist the pressure and not get sucked into decisions that are driven more by hope and emotion than common sense. A big problem with Shepherd was that, as a fan, he couldn't resist meddling in footballing decisions and showed favouritism to Shearer as the fans' hero.

 

You could look at Ashley and say that he, as an outsider, hasn't done very well. My view is that his overall strategy was fine in the circumstances that the club were in, but his fatal blunder was appointing Keegan - a man whose motivation was suspect, who was unsuited to a long-term approach or working within a team, and whose chief asset was his standing with the fans. In that decision, Ashley was paying too much attention to local opinion, not too little.

 

Of course, some may disagree.

 

KEEGAN'S MOTIVATION, in coming back . .  Yes, that is something that has bugged me quite a lot.  I mean, what do you think he came back for?

 

Certainly, events have proved that it was NOT (what we all hoped it was for) to "finish off the job he started and win us the Premier League every year" . . . NO, I think it was something altogether "less noble" than that.

 

He certainly didn't stick around long when the going got tough, did he?

 

Because of THAT (though it was probably Ashley's actual fault) we are now relegated and are in the Second Division ('nothingness', as someone once called it).

 

Yes KEEGAN'S MOTIVES, are very, very, very, suspect  -  in MY opinion.

 

Its KKs fault we are in the 2nd div?

 

Lame,

 

Not the fact that ashley would not invest money??

 

Thats why KK left, he could nto get Ashley to invest in any players.

 

Jesus wept.

 

Embarrassing isn't it? Some people still fail to understand why Keegan left. 

 

EVERYONE knows why he left.

 

That was just the 'last chapter' (the 'last page', even) in the story.

 

His reasons for coming back and his lack of regard for us and the club by his leaving So SOON (so bl**dy soon) should not be disregarded so totally.

 

He was, and is, complicit (strongly) in our demise, whether you like it or not.

 

Ok then if this is defacto and you have spoken to KK himself and know the truth of why he was here for such a short period of time, could you share this with me and the rest of the folk on this forum?

 

Have you any idea how silly that sounds?

 

As with anything in life, you do not need to have spoken to (or even 'met') the individuals involved, to know a lot about what went on.

 

How many people in Dallas have you spoken to about President Kennedy being shot?  Yet, you know he was and that Lee Harvey Oswald was involved, though (like with Keegan) you cannot know the FULL extent of his involvement.

 

How many people in New York have you spoken to (and met) about the destruction of the World Trade centre . .   and yet, you know what happened . . .

 

Need I go on?

 

You cannot (well, 'should' not) artificially instigate "additional proof standards" to the Keegan leaving Newcastle situation, that does not apply to any other of the ten trillion or so 'events' that occur around the world.

 

Keegan WAS involved in our demise.  I have NOT "seen the photos" . . . but he WAS involved in our demise.

 

 

 

You talk so much shit my eyes bleed reading it.

 

you said -

"His reasons for coming back and his lack of regard for us and the club by his leaving So SOON (so bl**dy soon) should not be disregarded so totally."

 

So you know the reason why he came back and his quick exit.

[manorpark]

CHARLES SALE: Americans aim to scupper Barry Moat's Newcastle bid

 

Last updated at 12:16 AM on 12th September 2009

 

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The marathon takeover saga at Newcastle took another twist on Friday night with a New York investment fund dealing direct with owner Mike Ashley in an attempt to fast-track the sale of the club.

 

It has been claimed their negotiations had reached the stage of a sale and purchase agreement with the Americans, having satisfied Ashley they have the necessary £100million funding to complete the deal.

Newcastle United owner Mike Ashley in the stands with Chairman Derek Llambias

 

 

But the situation — as ever during Ashley’s regime — is by no means clear as the Americans, represented by Manchester law firm Halliwells, are bypassing the official selling agents Seymour Pierce and conducting their business with Ashley’s London legal advisers Travers Smith.

   

 

 

The middle man in the deal is businessman Geoff Sheard, a former commercial director at Preston, who has kept in the background to avoid any publicity after an attempt to buy Sheffield Wednesday proved unsuccessful.

 

Stockbrokers Seymour Pierce don’t regard Sheard as a serious buyer, having not been satisfied with his proof of funding.

 

But a spokesperson for Ashley said last night that Sheard’s consortium were being treated as genuine buyers, yet had ground to make up on Newcastle businessman Barry Moat’s bid.

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1212895/CHARLES-SALE-Americans-aim-scupper-Barry-Moats-Newcastle-bid.html#ixzz0QqP8XO

 

 

If true, the bit about the Americans dealing direct with Ashley rather than through Seymour Pierce is interesting. Harris has said more than once that he thinks there should be a strong local presence in the ownership of the club. It's reasonable to surmise that he favours Moat.

 

Personally, I think local ownership is a mixed blessing. You often hear that the club should be owned by someone who understands the place of the club in the region, but it's not clear exactly what decisions would be different in the case of a local owner. If anything, we need owners that can resist the pressure and not get sucked into decisions that are driven more by hope and emotion than common sense. A big problem with Shepherd was that, as a fan, he couldn't resist meddling in footballing decisions and showed favouritism to Shearer as the fans' hero.

 

You could look at Ashley and say that he, as an outsider, hasn't done very well. My view is that his overall strategy was fine in the circumstances that the club were in, but his fatal blunder was appointing Keegan - a man whose motivation was suspect, who was unsuited to a long-term approach or working within a team, and whose chief asset was his standing with the fans. In that decision, Ashley was paying too much attention to local opinion, not too little.

 

Of course, some may disagree.

 

KEEGAN'S MOTIVATION, in coming back . .  Yes, that is something that has bugged me quite a lot.  I mean, what do you think he came back for?

 

Certainly, events have proved that it was NOT (what we all hoped it was for) to "finish off the job he started and win us the Premier League every year" . . . NO, I think it was something altogether "less noble" than that.

 

He certainly didn't stick around long when the going got tough, did he?

 

Because of THAT (though it was probably Ashley's actual fault) we are now relegated and are in the Second Division ('nothingness', as someone once called it).

 

Yes KEEGAN'S MOTIVES, are very, very, very, suspect  -  in MY opinion.

 

Its KKs fault we are in the 2nd div?

 

Lame,

 

Not the fact that ashley would not invest money??

 

Thats why KK left, he could nto get Ashley to invest in any players.

 

Jesus wept.

 

Embarrassing isn't it? Some people still fail to understand why Keegan left. 

 

EVERYONE knows why he left.

 

That was just the 'last chapter' (the 'last page', even) in the story.

 

His reasons for coming back and his lack of regard for us and the club by his leaving So SOON (so bl**dy soon) should not be disregarded so totally.

 

He was, and is, complicit (strongly) in our demise, whether you like it or not.

 

Ok then if this is defacto and you have spoken to KK himself and know the truth of why he was here for such a short period of time, could you share this with me and the rest of the folk on this forum?

 

Have you any idea how silly that sounds?

 

As with anything in life, you do not need to have spoken to (or even 'met') the individuals involved, to know a lot about what went on.

 

How many people in Dallas have you spoken to about President Kennedy being shot?  Yet, you know he was and that Lee Harvey Oswald was involved, though (like with Keegan) you cannot know the FULL extent of his involvement.

 

How many people in New York have you spoken to (and met) about the destruction of the World Trade centre . .   and yet, you know what happened . . .

 

Need I go on?

 

You cannot (well, 'should' not) artificially instigate "additional proof standards" to the Keegan leaving Newcastle situation, that does not apply to any other of the ten trillion or so 'events' that occur around the world.

 

Keegan WAS involved in our demise.  I have NOT "seen the photos" . . . but he WAS involved in our demise.

 

 

 

You talk so much s*** my eyes bleed reading it.

 

you said -

"His reasons for coming back and his lack of regard for us and the club by his leaving So SOON (so bl**dy soon) should not be disregarded so totally."

 

So you know the reason why he came back and his quick exit.

 

See my previous post (01.35Hrs) . . . and lets keep a grip on reality please.

 

Why are you defending the guy so much?

 

I lived through his years as the messiah  -  and I loved it, and him for giving us it.

 

BUT, he is a human being, with flaws in his character, just like you and I.

 

Why defend him so "totally", it is ODD, to say the least!

[NG32]

I'm not claiming he hasn't got character flaws. He clearerly has like all of us but I'll defend him over the fiasco which is Mike Fucking Ashley any day of the week. 

I felt let down like the rest of us when he left BUT his reasons for doing so have become apparant over time.

 

 

So you are saying that Keegans return to Newcastle was for other reasons and this far out weighs the mess Ashley has got us in?  What proof do you have thats says KK came back with other motives in mind???

 

I said KK left beause he could not get Ashley to spend the clubs money on players that were seriously needed he felt he had to leave to push the situation further.  he was proved right.

 

 

 

[High Five o]

Just a prediction, mate. Think we may get a mention too

 

You work at Trinity Mirror dont you!  got ya!

 

Yes/No?

[manorpark]

I'm not claiming he hasn't got character flaws. He clearerly has like all of us but I'll defend him over the fiasco which is Mike f***ing Ashley any day of the week. 

I felt let down like the rest of us when he left BUT his reasons for doing so have become apparant over time.

 

 

So you are saying that Keegans return to Newcastle was for other reasons and this far out weighs the mess Ashley has got us in?  What proof do you have thats says KK came back with other motives in mind???

 

I said KK left beause he could not get Ashley to spend the clubs money on players that were seriously needed he felt he had to leave to push the situation further.  he was proved right.

 

 

 

 

What you say above is good and correct and I agree with it, as I always have.

 

It is difficult to estimate how much of this MESS was Ashley's fault, but (as owner) he has to take by far the bulk of the blame.

 

Now, without you having met him, or 'seen the photos', I would imagine you will agree with that.

 

The reasons Keegan left (that you mention) are all valid, as I have always said, and are undoubtedly part of it. BUT, many people continue to rationalise and over-simplify the reason why he left, "latching on" to the Ashley-and-funds-and-choice-of-players, thing.

 

It is most unlikely that anything as simple as that would have caused him to leave - it he came here to "finish the job" etc - with the speed with which he did.

 

It just does not FIT.

 

It smells.

 

There must be more to it than just that.

 

There is a lot more complexity in why Keegan returned and why he left so soon, that the simply-presented "reasons" of the funds and choice of players, that so many people (as said) happily latch on to as being the be-all-and-end-all of the situation.

 

C'mon, the whole thing STINKS.

 

I really cannot find any other way to say this now. I have described the "Ashley & Funds" bit, as the 'last chapter' and the 'last page', and I have tried many other ways to get the message across here - so I can do no more.

 

Simply, there is more to it than that - it stinks to high heaven.

[Guest BlacknWhiteArmy]

On the subject of Keegan, I feel Keegan wasn't the right man to take over, but if we kept Keegan we would not have been relegated.

[NG32]

I'm not claiming he hasn't got character flaws. He clearerly has like all of us but I'll defend him over the fiasco which is Mike f***ing Ashley any day of the week. 

I felt let down like the rest of us when he left BUT his reasons for doing so have become apparant over time.

 

 

So you are saying that Keegans return to Newcastle was for other reasons and this far out weighs the mess Ashley has got us in?  What proof do you have thats says KK came back with other motives in mind???

 

I said KK left beause he could not get Ashley to spend the clubs money on players that were seriously needed he felt he had to leave to push the situation further.  he was proved right.

 

 

 

 

What you say above is good and correct and I agree with it, as I always have.

 

It is difficult to estimate how much of this MESS was Ashley's fault, but (as owner) he has to take by far the bulk of the blame.

 

Now, without you having met him, or 'seen the photos', I would imagine you will agree with that.

 

The reasons Keegan left (that you mention) are all valid, as I have always said, and are undoubtedly part of it. BUT, many people continue to rationalise and over-simplify the reason why he left, "latching on" to the Ashley-and-funds-and-choice-of-players, thing.

 

It is most unlikely that anything as simple as that would have caused him to leave - it he came here to "finish the job" etc - with the speed with which he did.

 

It just does not FIT.

 

It smells.

 

There must be more to it than just that.

 

There is a lot more complexity in why Keegan returned and why he left so soon, that the simply-presented "reasons" of the funds and choice of players, that so many people (as said) happily latch on to as being the be-all-and-end-all of the situation.

 

C'mon, the whole thing STINKS.

 

I really cannot find any other way to say this now. I have described the "Ashley & Funds" bit, as the 'last chapter' and the 'last page', and I have tried many other ways to get the message across here - so I can do no more.

 

Simply, there is more to it than that - it stinks to high heaven.

 

 

He came back as soon as the Halls and Shepherds were out of the club, he came in thinking Mike Ashley was going to at least take the club forward, it then became apparent that Ashley had no intension to spend and he was going to reduce the operating costs of the club.

 

KK couldn't deal with Ashley, Lambias and Wise as they were fuck nuts without a clue so was either sacked or quit.

 

I'm not sure where you get this "must be another reason" for him to return from.

 

Are you basing your argument for KK coming back with other motives on that shitty lazy article in one of the papers sayng it was because Soccer Circus was struggling and he needed cash.

 

The same Soccer Circus which is still going even in the recession.

[JH]

On the subject of Keegan, I feel Keegan wasn't the right man to take over, but if we kept Keegan we would not have been relegated.

 

http://images.artnet.com/artwork_images_424623466_407205_jeremy-deller.jpg

[macca888]

Still going and still losing money, by all accounts.

Hence KKs desperate bid to extort 10 million quid from his so called beloved NUFC.

 

Suffice to say, Keegan is an even bigger fucking con man then Ashley.

[NG32]

Still going and still losing money, by all accounts.

Hence KKs desperate bid to extort 10 million quid from his so called beloved NUFC.

 

Suffice to say, Keegan is an even bigger f***ing con man then Ashley.

 

 

:lol: :lol:

[manorpark]

I'm not claiming he hasn't got character flaws. He clearerly has like all of us but I'll defend him over the fiasco which is Mike f***ing Ashley any day of the week. 

I felt let down like the rest of us when he left BUT his reasons for doing so have become apparant over time.

 

 

So you are saying that Keegans return to Newcastle was for other reasons and this far out weighs the mess Ashley has got us in?  What proof do you have thats says KK came back with other motives in mind???

 

I said KK left beause he could not get Ashley to spend the clubs money on players that were seriously needed he felt he had to leave to push the situation further.  he was proved right.

 

 

 

 

What you say above is good and correct and I agree with it, as I always have.

 

It is difficult to estimate how much of this MESS was Ashley's fault, but (as owner) he has to take by far the bulk of the blame.

 

Now, without you having met him, or 'seen the photos', I would imagine you will agree with that.

 

The reasons Keegan left (that you mention) are all valid, as I have always said, and are undoubtedly part of it. BUT, many people continue to rationalise and over-simplify the reason why he left, "latching on" to the Ashley-and-funds-and-choice-of-players, thing.

 

It is most unlikely that anything as simple as that would have caused him to leave - it he came here to "finish the job" etc - with the speed with which he did.

 

It just does not FIT.

 

It smells.

 

There must be more to it than just that.

 

There is a lot more complexity in why Keegan returned and why he left so soon, that the simply-presented "reasons" of the funds and choice of players, that so many people (as said) happily latch on to as being the be-all-and-end-all of the situation.

 

C'mon, the whole thing STINKS.

 

I really cannot find any other way to say this now. I have described the "Ashley & Funds" bit, as the 'last chapter' and the 'last page', and I have tried many other ways to get the message across here - so I can do no more.

 

Simply, there is more to it than that - it stinks to high heaven.

 

 

He came back as soon as the Halls and Shepherds were out of the club, he came in thinking Mike Ashley was going to at least take the club forward, it then became apparent that Ashley had no intension to spend and he was going to reduce the operating costs of the club.

 

KK couldn't deal with Ashley, Lambias and Wise as they were f*** nuts without a clue so was either sacked or quit.

 

I'm not sure where you get this "must be another reason" for him to return from.

 

Are you basing your argument for KK coming back with other motives on that shitty lazy article in one of the papers sayng it was because Soccer Circus was struggling and he needed cash.

 

The same Soccer Circus which is still going even in the recession.

 

I make my own mind up and do not believe reporters interpretations.  But, as I said above, "I can do no more", at this stage.

[Dave]

Still going and still losing money, by all accounts.

Hence KKs desperate bid to extort 10 million quid from his so called beloved NUFC.

 

Suffice to say, Keegan is an even bigger fucking con man then Ashley.

 

Source?

[robm]

In a moment of weakness, looked up those numbers at Companies House nowt there.

 

It comes up with a company at the same address as Halliwells the lawyers representing the americans. What the f*** that means I have no idea

 

 

So it does, looks like I might have been on the right lines after all! 

 

 

 

HALLCO 1707 LIMITED registered company name @ companies house.....  Halliwells... could this be a holding company for the funds to be deposited into? however can they not just be deposited into a lawyers account? also, this company was incorporated in June, seems a bit early

 

 

Agreed, that's why I originally discounted it. Was looking for "the holy grail" of a newly set up holding company with a cheeky Newcastle related name.

 

Dont firms of solicitors set up a lot of these off the peg companies then use them when needed to save time? Somebody working in this sort of thing would propably know

[Nepharite]

In a moment of weakness, looked up those numbers at Companies House nowt there.

 

It comes up with a company at the same address as Halliwells the lawyers representing the americans. What the f*** that means I have no idea

 

 

So it does, looks like I might have been on the right lines after all! 

 

 

 

HALLCO 1707 LIMITED registered company name @ companies house.....  Halliwells... could this be a holding company for the funds to be deposited into? however can they not just be deposited into a lawyers account? also, this company was incorporated in June, seems a bit early

 

 

Agreed, that's why I originally discounted it. Was looking for "the holy grail" of a newly set up holding company with a cheeky Newcastle related name.

 

Dont firms of solicitors set up a lot of these off the peg companies then use them when needed to save time? Somebody working in this sort of thing would propably know

 

Would explain all the Hallco entries at the same address I suppose.

[Parky]

Still going and still losing money, by all accounts.

Hence KKs desperate bid to extort 10 million quid from his so called beloved NUFC.

 

Suffice to say, Keegan is an even bigger fucking con man then Ashley.

 

Disgraceful comment.

[OzzieMandias]

I couldn't give a fuck if the buyer invests their own money tbh, if they run the club sensibly and with ambition we'll be fine. The potential is there; a small amount of speculation will see us up, cut the dead wood (Geremi etc) and get in a manager who you trust and back them within reason. Don't need to be especially wealthy to make a decent success of this club.

 

And there it is. It really is fucking easy to make this club a success as all one needs is common footballing sense. Ashley and his cronies have clearly lacked this and here we are, slowly clawing back to normalcy despite the fat one's ineptitude.

 

 

I wish.

 

If it was as easy as you make out how come the people who have done the best job of trying in over half a bloody century are despised by so many and thought of as shit, unless the "so many" who think this way are total know-nowts?

 

You tell me, mate.

 

Because they lost their touch many years before they relinquished control, and left the club in a godawful fucking mess.

 

Obviously.

 

Which as I said earlier to someone else, this would make sense if people like you hadn't been rubbishing the previous Board way before they "lost control" as you call it.  You weren't happy with top 6 finishes. You said it was shit.

 

You really should be quiet about this otherwise I'll have to remind everyone that you were one of the main whingers about the previous Board during the time we finished 4th, 3rd then 5th. I may go on to remind people that despite having signed Woodgate in January 2003, Darren Ambrose and also Lee Bowyer (England international at the time) on a free during summer 2003, you slagged the Board for not spending millions that summer. I might even remind people that you then amazingly backed the destruction of the team by Souness and the bankrolling of him by the Board to the tune of ~£50m, then you ironically slag the Board for spending despite your boring mantra of "judge him when he's built his own team."

 

Mate, you're full of shit most of the time, almost everything you post is based on 20/20 hindsight and is still tripe.

 

If you can't respond to a post without trying to shove words into someone else's mouth, perhaps you should acknowledge that talkboard discussions aren't really your strong point, chum.

 

As for our failure to strengthen a demoralised squad in the summer of 2003 -- the absolute pivotal moment in the decline of this club, the moment where the old regime started pissing away everything that had been achieved by Sir Bobby Robson -- I still fail to see what the purchase of Woodgate six months earlier has to do with it.

 

Chronology is obviously not your strongpoint either. But you score pretty high on selective memory.

 

A weak response, tbh. And total bollocks as usual.

 

If you could just for once leave aside the ad hominem blather, are you denying that the old lot lost their touch years before they relinquished control and left the club in a real mess?

[oldtype]

Dear me, has this thread degenerated to the point where we get to have an old board fight and a Keegan fight simultaneously?

[madras]

Dear me, has this thread degenerated to the point where we get to have an old board fight and a Keegan fight simultaneously?

they are the default settings for the football section.

[manorpark]

Dear me, has this thread degenerated to the point where we get to have an old board fight and a Keegan fight simultaneously?

 

Degenerated?

 

At least these two discussions have meant we are talking about 'events' as opposed to 'non-events'.

 

Still, NOT what this thread should be about, really.

 

So, who is going to win the takeover war?

(1) Incompetent, 'thick-as-they-come' ASHLEY.

(2) Pauper, 'have-you-got-10p-for-the-meter', MOAT

or

(3) Mega Rich, 'but-do-they-exist', YANKS.

 

Wow . . . what a set of choices!

[OzzieMandias]

Dear me, has this thread degenerated to the point where we get to have an old board fight and a Keegan fight simultaneously?

 

Degenerated?

 

At least these two discussions have meant we are talking about 'events' as opposed to 'non-events'.

 

Still, NOT what this thread should be about, really.

 

So, who is going to win the takeover war?

(1) Incompetent, 'thick-as-they-come' ASHLEY.

(2) Pauper, 'have-you-got-10p-for-the-meter', MOAT

or

(3) Mega Rich, 'but-do-they-exist', YANKS.

 

Wow . . . what a set of choices!

 

Yeah, be just our luck to be bought by a bunch of mega-rich Yanks only to find out that they don't exist.

[quayside]

 

Embarrassing isn't it? Some people still fail to understand why Keegan left. 

 

Or was he sacked? If he left by his own will he wouldn't be asking for compensation, right?

 

Not just the wages but how much KK has cost the club just in compensations for terminating his contracts

 

You can resign/walk out/spit dummy and still launch a constructive dismissal claim.

[Howaythelads]

CHARLES SALE: Americans aim to scupper Barry Moat's Newcastle bid

 

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The marathon takeover saga at Newcastle took another twist on Friday night with a New York investment fund dealing direct with owner Mike Ashley in an attempt to fast-track the sale of the club.

 

It has been claimed their negotiations had reached the stage of a sale and purchase agreement with the Americans, having satisfied Ashley they have the necessary £100million funding to complete the deal.

Newcastle United owner Mike Ashley in the stands with Chairman Derek Llambias

 

 

But the situation — as ever during Ashley’s regime — is by no means clear as the Americans, represented by Manchester law firm Halliwells, are bypassing the official selling agents Seymour Pierce and conducting their business with Ashley’s London legal advisers Travers Smith.

   

 

 

The middle man in the deal is businessman Geoff Sheard, a former commercial director at Preston, who has kept in the background to avoid any publicity after an attempt to buy Sheffield Wednesday proved unsuccessful.

 

Stockbrokers Seymour Pierce don’t regard Sheard as a serious buyer, having not been satisfied with his proof of funding.

 

But a spokesperson for Ashley said last night that Sheard’s consortium were being treated as genuine buyers, yet had ground to make up on Newcastle businessman Barry Moat’s bid.

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1212895/CHARLES-SALE-Americans-aim-scupper-Barry-Moats-Newcastle-bid.html#ixzz0QqP8XO

 

 

If true, the bit about the Americans dealing direct with Ashley rather than through Seymour Pierce is interesting. Harris has said more than once that he thinks there should be a strong local presence in the ownership of the club. It's reasonable to surmise that he favours Moat.

 

Personally, I think local ownership is a mixed blessing. You often hear that the club should be owned by someone who understands the place of the club in the region, but it's not clear exactly what decisions would be different in the case of a local owner. If anything, we need owners that can resist the pressure and not get sucked into decisions that are driven more by hope and emotion than common sense. A big problem with Shepherd was that, as a fan, he couldn't resist meddling in footballing decisions and showed favouritism to Shearer as the fans' hero.

 

You could look at Ashley and say that he, as an outsider, hasn't done very well. My view is that his overall strategy was fine in the circumstances that the club were in, but his fatal blunder was appointing Keegan - a man whose motivation was suspect, who was unsuited to a long-term approach or working within a team, and whose chief asset was his standing with the fans. In that decision, Ashley was paying too much attention to local opinion, not too little.

 

Of course, some may disagree.

 

What a load of tripe.

[Howaythelads]

Still going and still losing money, by all accounts.

Hence KKs desperate bid to extort 10 million quid from his so called beloved NUFC.

 

Suffice to say, Keegan is an even bigger fucking con man then Ashley.

 

More tripe.

 

You should be careful what you post on an open forum.

 

Do you have any evidence to support this allegation? I really do hope you have, or that KK and any of his representatives aren't reading it.