Guest sicko2ndbest Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Oh the choices: 1) Lose top players get taken over 2) Keep top players keep fat man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Oh he choices: 1) Lose top players get taken over 2) Lose top players keep fat man FYP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 We're not fucking organised enough to actually buy players. Selling players is easy because the other club does all the hard work. You know, stuff like deciding how much we're going to sell the player for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Oh the choices: 1) Lose top players get taken over 2) Keep top players keep fat man If it was a straight choice between 1 & 2, I'd pick 2 every time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Libertine Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 there is no way we will get promoted with the squad we have, i feel this is all a deliberate ploy by fat mike to almost guarantee we dont bounce back straight away..without at least half a dozen new players we will be in this div again next season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Even with everything up in the air, we should at least be sorting out getting Lovenkrands back, bearing in mind he actually wants to come here and he'll be cheap. I don't think any future owner or manager would be pissed off with having him in the squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Even with everything up in the air, we should at least be sorting out getting Lovenkrands back, bearing in mind he actually wants to come here and he'll be cheap. I don't think any future owner or manager would be pissed off with having him in the squad. Why isn't this happening? Should be a doddle to sort out, I'd have thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Says he wants to wait to see if any PL clubs come in for him first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Even with everything up in the air, we should at least be sorting out getting Lovenkrands back, bearing in mind he actually wants to come here and he'll be cheap. I don't think any future owner or manager would be pissed off with having him in the squad. Why isn't this happening? Should be a doddle to sort out, I'd have thought. Maybe he isn't cheap by Championship standards? Maybe the future owner isn't in a position to agree to adding to the wage bill without clearing it with Barclays? It could be any number of things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Oh the choices: 1) Lose top players get taken over 2) Keep top players keep fat man If it was a straight choice between 1 & 2, I'd pick 2 every time. Honestly? When i say lose top players i am talking maybe Jonas and Taylor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 http://timesonline.typepad.com/thegame/2009/08/why-is-alan-shearer-not-newcastle-manager-.html I love Caulkin ONE of these days, we may get around to analysing the football. Who knows, we might even have a look at the systems, study the opposition - their strengths and their weaknesses - get to know the players, the idiosyncrasies of the manager and the foibles of their supporters. One of these days, but not just yet. At Newcastle United, events off the field remain frustrating and tiresome, but also vital and somehow compelling. Summer used to be about cricket, tennis, golf and, for those of us particularly obsessed, scouring newspapers for a single, half-page article about football. Over the last couple of decades, the game has changed and the world with it, and June, July and August have become a bombardment of transfer rumours, protracted courtships, disputes, pre-season tours, gossip and record-signings. Not at St James’ Park, however. Not this year. Newcastle have either sold or lost ten players with first-team experience and bought precisely nobody, but the column inches and phone-ins and forums have still been filled. We have read about consortia and debts and deferred payments and overdrafts and investment banks and confidentially clauses; you don’t need to be an accountant to work here, but it helps. On the face of it - a club up for sale, no manager in place - little has changed, although bit by bit, the dynamics have shifted. There are those who believe with steadfast assurance that the whole thing has been bluffery on behalf of Mike Ashley, that his attempts to sell Newcastle were always a diversion and their argument is as valid as any. Others wait for updates with fingers crossed; an end to the torment feels close, but just beyond reach. So many different, competing groups have claimed an interest in Newcastle and the funds to improve them, earned themselves free publicity and then promptly disappeared. Was that always their motivation? If so, how do they benefit from the deception? Deadlines have been pronounced and then elapsed and in the rush to embrace any new development, credibility has been chipped away. And yet this is the climate which Ashley’s Newcastle has forged. What are we to make of the ‘Malaysians’ taken on a tour of Newcastle by Derek Llambias, the club’s managing director, but who Seymour Pierce, the bank charged with handling the sale, insist never made contact? What happened to the “more than two” bids in excess of £100m that Llambias claimed in early July? Why could Joe Kinnear never stick to the same story? And, to ram home a point for the umpteenth time, why is Alan Shearer not manager? Why are we still asking that when Ashley described hiring the former England captain for the final eight games of last season as the “best decision” of his awful spell at the club? When Llambias said that Shearer was “110 per cent,” the man for the job, that he represented the “perfect appointment.” Smokescreens, half-truths and public announcements that dissipate in a puff of smoke. At Newcastle, there is nobody to speak to, nobody to believe, and questions must be posed to others; a nudge here, wink there, a “source” wherever. Journalists do their best, but all of us are caught in the dilemma of either reporting everything, giving succour to the wannabes and never-weres or sticking to a single line and being accused of complacency. Here, to our best knowledge, is where things stand. Barry Moat is Seymour Pierce’s preferred bidder. Which means that after weeks of negotiations and attempts to rouse interested parties, Keith Harris, Seymour Pierce’s executive chairman, has identified Moat as the best hope of both coming close to Ashley’s £100m asking price and securing Newcastle’s future. There is no other show in town. Moat is a well-known Tyneside businessman. He is friendly with Shearer and would install him in the dug-out. Both of those things offer some assurance. And yet raising funds has clearly not been straightforward, from which we can deduce that Newcastle, for all its potential and fanbase, has simply not been attractive to substantive investors and that, initially at least, a club run by Moat would not be awash with money. Moat and Ashley are now close enough to an agreement to call it all-but done. The glitch has emanated from Barclays, who not only wish to see a significant reduction in Newcastle’s present £39m overdraft facility - for which you can hardly blame them - but are also reluctant to provide Moat with the resources he needs to run the club. Moat is now attempting to raise it for himself. In the background, there are some intriguing whispers, that Moat has backing from an individual in the United States who, for a variety of reasons, will not step forward until Ashley has gone. Whether it comes to anything is another matter and, in any case, if the Ashley era has taught us anything, it should be that billionaire saviours are not always ... well, saviours. Meanwhile, the clock ticks. From the bank, there is pressure for the club to sell more high-earning players and from Chris Hughton, the interim manager, there are repeated hints that, as things stand, Newcastle’s squad is simply too small to cope with a grueling campaign in the Coca Cola Championship. With the transfer window closing next Tuesday, wriggle room is limited. And then, to return to the beginning, there is the football itself. In the most trying, unpromising of circumstances, Newcastle have excelled. They are unbeaten in four matches, they have conceded a single goal and share the leadership of the division with Cardiff City, Middlesbrough and West Bromwich Albion. In a similar role last season, Hughton appeared swamped, but now looks serene. Is either observation accurate? Consider this, too. Of the 11 players who started against Crystal Palace on Saturday, Shearer was pressing to keep only Steve Harper, the goalkeeper, and Steven Taylor, the centre-half (Habib Beye and Sebastien Bassong having both left). Joey Barton, who Shearer had informed would never play for him again following his dismissal at Anfield, remains an active member of the squad, fitness allowing. The likes of Shola Ameobi and Ryan Taylor have expressed a desire for Hughton to be appointed on a permanent basis and last season’s underachievers have somehow come together and either realised that their careers were stalling or that they owed something tangible to Newcastle. They have reacted to the turmoil at the club by forging a spirit, by working things out for themselves. Their resilience has been heartening and necessary, because Newcastle, as a club and a city, were desperate for something, anything, to cling to. In the dressing-room and the training-ground, responsibility has been grasped and that has entailed fundamental, reality-shifting change, allowing players such as Ameobi, Alan Smith and Kevin Nolan to finally express themselves. This column has consistently nailed its colours to Shearer’s mast and continues to do so, but with every day that passes, the task facing him becomes more onerous; contrary to perceived wisdom, Newcastle’s fine start only exacerbates that. Ashley must go. The club he has wrecked deserves stability and, at a time when bonds have been frayed, an emotional resonance with supporters. Shearer provides it, but the challenge is formidable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Oh the choices: 1) Lose top players get taken over 2) Keep top players keep fat man If it was a straight choice between 1 & 2, I'd pick 2 every time. Honestly? When i say lose top players i am talking maybe Jonas and Taylor. If we're not going to get anybody in, then yes, I'd sooner stick with what we have rather than have to sell a couple more to push the takeover through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clintdempsey Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 http://timesonline.typepad.com/thegame/2009/08/why-is-alan-shearer-not-newcastle-manager-.html I love Caulkin Yeah, there's certainly some kind of a universal man-love spreading for that bloke. Quite the opposite for Ms. Taylor though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicago_shearer Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Louise Taylor has been 95% right about every negative thing she has written from Keegan to the takeover. She tells us what we don't want to hear because she is a shit stirrer, but she isn't another lazy football journalist. Caulkin just takes it to another level, because you can tell her cares for the club. Very interesting about this potential American mystery backer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 David Craig has just said on SSN that a guy called Jeff Shears is negotiating with Seymour Pierce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 David Craig has just said on SSN that a guy called Jeff Shears is negotiating with Seymour Pierce. wtf? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pedro_de_geordieo Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 David Craig has just said on SSN that a guy called Jeff Shears is negotiating with Seymour Pierce. Who??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Hopefully it is the Cisco bloke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 I don't know, never heard of him either. Craig reckons he's trying to prove to SP that he's got the finance to buy the club. Didn't say anything about Moat, apart from that he's still working to the 7-day deadline to buy the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garth Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Who is Jeff Shears?. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 David Craig has just said on SSN that a guy called Jeff Shears is negotiating with Seymour Pierce. Who??? He's an Astronaut http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Ashby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 If this bloke's for real he's left it a bit late like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 My apologies. It's Geoff Sheard, who tried to buy Sheff Wed a while ago. http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/football/Former-kit-salesman-Geoff-Sheard.4486389.jp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Apparently this guy tried to buy Sheffield Wednesday last year and is in the sports retail business, but on a smaller scale compared to Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Oh goody. The man who invented 'Sockatyes'. I can barely contain my excitement. http://www.sockatyes.com/upload/gallery/Thompson.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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