Mole_Toonfan Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Dunno we were reasonably lucky in all 3 games, we havent stopped teams from playing ( France game aside) we have just been very clinical and been fortunate the teams in question didnt take the chances they got. Does'nt matter as we are winning games, but we have been outplayed in pretty much every game..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Dunno we were reasonably lucky in all 3 games, we havent stopped teams from playing ( France game aside) we have just been very clinical and been fortunate the teams in question didnt take the chances they got. Does'nt matter as we are winning games, but we have been outplayed in pretty much every game..... Really? I disagree. In spells, yes. But on the whole, no way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Dunno we were reasonably lucky in all 3 games, we havent stopped teams from playing ( France game aside) we have just been very clinical and been fortunate the teams in question didnt take the chances they got. Does'nt matter as we are winning games, but we have been outplayed in pretty much every game..... Our worst performance was last night, for me. We unwisely gave Ukraine - the home team in a massive, massive game in their history arguably - the encouragement to get forward and make things hard for us. Poor ball retention in the 1st half, defensively not solid at all and Welbeck and Rooney did little to help. 2nd half was an improvement albeit a million miles from great. However, against France, although they demonstrated they had better technical players for the most part, what damage did they do? What clear cut chances did they produce? I'm struggling to think of many. I also don't think they got us into any sort of trance with their passing; both teams seemed happy enough with a point. Against Sweden, it was a bad night for defences but overall I thought we did enough to merit the win. We've barely been "outplayed" this tournament. We've certainly been under pressure but outplayed? Don't think so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 I did say france game aside tbf..... but i felt against Sweden and Ukraine we gave away too many chances definitely more than we were able to create. Maybe outplayed is too a strong a term but i definitely feel those teams had the better of it but luckily they were no where near as clinical as we have been. We remind me a lot of Chelsea tbh, we seem to give up a lot of chances despite defending so deep but we seem to be very clinical. I'm not complaining tbh as long we keep winning it doesnt matter but i do understand where HTT is coming from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Dunno we were reasonably lucky in all 3 games, we havent stopped teams from playing ( France game aside) we have just been very clinical and been fortunate the teams in question didnt take the chances they got. Does'nt matter as we are winning games, but we have been outplayed in pretty much every game..... Really? I disagree. In spells, yes. But on the whole, no way. Their best performance came against France. There was a plan, a purpose, albeit a negative nullification of the oppsoition but a plan all the same. Of course this was aided by Benzema sitting hopelessly deep but overall the side did well to keep thier shape and discipline and deserved their point. I do however agree large amounts of luck were required against both Sweden and Ukraine. The former coming in the form of two fortunate goals and the latter as a couple of officiating errors. Both games could of easily been lost due to poor defending and sloppy distribution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Reminds me of peoples arguments about Newcastle early last season tbh. Lucky to win games, not outplaying the opposition enough, to negative, opposition missing chances blah blah. Really we're just playing in a way that makes us hard to beat & relying on quality down the other end to be the difference. The goals we've conceded were a long shot & two set pieces. Theres no luck involved, some people just cant comprehend the idea of winning games without outpassing the opposition & showing overall domination. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 The fact Italy have Pirlo who is both a set piece and a general long range specialist should make that a worry, not a defence. I'd also argue we got lucky in some games last season, would you not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 FWIW Man U's success over the past 19 years hasn't been predicated on 'outplaying the opposition'. Soaking up pessure, playing in the opponents half when you need a goal and taking chances. Honestly, it's the same shit from the same posters. I don't know what's happened to HTT (one the posters I respect most) since his kid was born, but I can only presume he's been hit on the head or he's hitting the bottle again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 FWIW Man U's success over the past 19 years hasn't been predicated on 'outplaying the opposition'. Soaking up pessure, playing in the opponents half when you need a goal and taking chances. Honestly, it's the same s*** from the same posters. I don't know what's happened to HTT (one the posters I respect most) since his kid was born, but I can only presume he's been hit on the head or he's hitting the bottle again. Thing is Man Utd actually stop teams from playing and creating chances with this tactic though...... can you honestly say against Ukraine and Sweden we stopped them from creating chances? As i said it doesnt matter but its something to take note of because giving those chances against better opposition will lead to elimination. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 The fact Italy have Pirlo who is both a set piece and a general long range specialist should make that a worry, not a defence. I'd also argue we got lucky in some games last season, would you not? Pirlos a worry on set pieces for any side really. Only Melbergs header was a solid goal anyway, Swedens first was far more lucky than any goal we've scored. Newcastle may have got lucky at times yeah. At the same time if you limit the opposition to few chances, theyll snatch at them when they finally get one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest n4e Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Pirlo is a real worry altogether to be fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Good player in "being a danger" shocker. We've got a good chance. You look at Italy and don't see much to fear IMO. Likewise I can't see them going "Fuck, it's James Milner!" We've been relatively clinical so far. We've a decent shot at getting through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 The fact Italy have Pirlo who is both a set piece and a general long range specialist should make that a worry, not a defence. I'd also argue we got lucky in some games last season, would you not? Pirlos a worry on set pieces for any side really. Only Melbergs header was a solid goal anyway, Swedens first was far more lucky than any goal we've scored. Newcastle may have got lucky at times yeah. At the same time if you limit the opposition to few chances, theyll snatch at them when they finally get one. There were three Swedish players marking each other at the back post. Which goal carried the most luck is a completely subjective and pointless argument. England in my opinion have been somewhat fortunate to be where they are, working on the glaring weakness in thie game can only help their chances of qualfying for the semis, call it constructive criticism if you will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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