mrmojorisin75 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 And by the way, calling a player brainless is ignored, suggesting he's limited in scope is the worst thing in the world. Welcome to No everyone. Think it was ignored because it was a stupid comment. He's a young player with a lot to learn but he isn't brainless. He's not James McClean it was ignored 'cause it was by a forum favourite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest taps01 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Yes they both look to get in BEHIND the full back. Anyway i think Townsed is an okay player but is considered better than he is due to the low opinion of many english players at the moment. what i've said in the comparison is that they both play with the ball at their feet then look to kick and run past the fullback, gillespie more outside and townsend uses his trickery to come inside and shoot etc. again reacting to the earlier comment about us equating skill to individualism all of this is why a lot of people couldn't see that anita was a great player until recently, a number of us recognised it but the majority didn't, it's the english way I agree with that point but just got side tracked by the whole front,back,in,out,sideways and upwards descriptions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 I agree with that point but just got side tracked by the whole front,back,in,out,sideways and upwards descriptions. what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 I don't want to appear like I'm a huge fan of Townsend or anything Lets clear that misunderstanding up because he has a lot to learn and if he doesn't he'll probably fade away and never amount to much. I was simply defending him a little but because I think he has impressed in the few games he's played for England so far. Think it showed against Chile when he didn't play what he brings to the team. A team like England need someone with pace and who is direct and can cause problems by running at defences because the rest of the team are incredibly static in their movement. When the alternatives are people like Milner then I'll take Townsend ahead of him all day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 I don't want to appear like I'm a huge fan of Townsend or anything Lets clear that misunderstanding up because he has a lot to learn and if he doesn't he'll probably fade away and never amount to much. I was simply defending him a little but because I think he has impressed in the few games he's played for England so far. Think it showed against Chile when he didn't play what he brings to the team. A team like England need someone with pace and who is direct and can cause problems by running at defences because the rest of the team are incredibly static in their movement. When the alternatives are people like Milner then I'll take Townsend ahead of him all day. It's OK, you're correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest taps01 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 I agree with that point but just got side tracked by the whole front,back,in,out,sideways and upwards descriptions. what? Forget about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 I don't want to appear like I'm a huge fan of Townsend or anything Lets clear that misunderstanding up because he has a lot to learn and if he doesn't he'll probably fade away and never amount to much. I was simply defending him a little but because I think he has impressed in the few games he's played for England so far. Think it showed against Chile when he didn't play what he brings to the team. A team like England need someone with pace and who is direct and can cause problems by running at defences because the rest of the team are incredibly static in their movement. When the alternatives are people like Milner then I'll take Townsend ahead of him all day. It's OK, you're correct. actually ian, you're wrong what england needs is technical players who understand how the pass and move game works, not individual skill plus fluff we're decades behind the rest of the world because of this attitude, it has to change "eeeee, look at andros he runs dead fast and that he's brill", "aw we lost 2-0" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 I know that, but you also need dangerous players who can actually influence a game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Mojo falling, fast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Mojo falling, fast. Lame as shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Aren't we decades behind the rest of the world because of a lack of technique? Not a reliance on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 I'd say a lack of intelligence is a bigger issue than a lack of technique. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Aren't we decades behind the rest of the world because of a lack of technique? Not a reliance on it. wow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alijmitchell Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 I'm not sure the difference in technical ability with the ball at feet is really our main problem. The main problem seems to be as always, keeping possession of the ball and developing phases of play that eventually threaten - i.e. our off the ball movement. We have some players that can do technically good things with ball at feet (Wilshere, Rooney, Gerrard) whose touch and passing ability is very good. However, overall, the difference between us and Germany was the dynamism of their movement off the ball - the speed at which supporting players found space, the way in which players switched areas of the pitch, and the surging of players forwards when a player has the ball. Their players never really spent that much time with the ball stuck in their feet, because they always provide each other a new option for a pass. We did not. Possession requires great passing, but mostly great movement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Think people are being a bit harsh on us yesterday. First half certainly Germany were giving the ball away 5x more than we were, our passing was quick and concise in the main first half they just defended very efficiently. Townsend, sturridge & Lallana all did their usual trickery around the box that has worked previously only to get corners. 2nd Half they took it to us more instead, still Sturridge should have been 1 on 1 twice. I think we're playing quite nicely now as a side in the main & i like the chances being given to those performing in the prem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Fucking hell, Townsend is a young player who has just came onto the scene... people criticising him for what, not being world-class, the finished article?! That is another thing that's wrong about England and our game, morons on the stands who expect everyone to be the best or to be able to compete against the best. The lad is talented and has some good attributes, lets not fucking write him off just yet eh, same applies to other promising youngsters. At least Townsend wants to get on the ball and get at the opposition. He's quick, powerful and has a good shot on him. Limited and one dimensional maybe but he's a threat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Fucking hell, Townsend is a young player who has just came onto the scene... people criticising him for what, not being world-class, the finished article?! That is another thing that's wrong about England and our game, morons on the stands who expect everyone to be the best or to be able to compete against the best. The lad is talented and has some good attributes, lets not fucking write him off just yet eh, same applies to other promising youngsters. At least Townsend wants to get on the ball and get at the opposition. He's quick, powerful and has a good shot on him. Limited and one dimensional maybe but he's a threat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Fucking hell, Townsend is a young player who has just came onto the scene... people criticising him for what, not being world-class, the finished article?! That is another thing that's wrong about England and our game, morons on the stands who expect everyone to be the best or to be able to compete against the best. The lad is talented and has some good attributes, lets not fucking write him off just yet eh, same applies to other promising youngsters. At least Townsend wants to get on the ball and get at the opposition. He's quick, powerful and has a good shot on him. Limited and one dimensional maybe but he's a threat. He'll disappear after couple years, imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Would be some feat that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 I actually think Townsend has the potential to diversify his game and become a more rounded player. In fact, I think Hodgson has been instructing him to just concentrate on getting his head down and taking on the full back. All right against Poland and Montenegro. Not enough against Germany. The trouble is, once good defenders double up on him, not only does he find it difficult to get past them, he finds it difficult to find any team-mate with a pass. He gets trapped, like most players would. We need to persist with 4-3-3, with players who are versatile enough to work the ball down the middle as well as the flanks. I think Townsend could adapt in time. Oxlade-C is already there. Walcott - I don't think so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpet Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 I think one positive for England is, they won't be playing utterly useless players in their starting XI compared to the last 2 major tournaments. 2010 had Heskey and Matthew Upson as starters 2012 had Ashley Young and Scott Parker as starters ------------------------Keeper------------------------- Johnson------Jagielka---------Cahill-----------Cole-- ---------------Carrick--------Gerrard----------------- -----------------------Wilshere------------------------ --Walcott------------Rooney------------Welbeck----- would be my starting XI at the WC. will leave some decent options on the bench as well. as shit as Cole's been this season, I still trust him to be one of the top-performing players for England at a major tournament. CB options probably not good enough for that stage individually, but Roy's system will suit them. Keeper? well, just as England thought they had it finally figured out, it's gone tits up again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 I reckon Smalling's going to be very good for us, just not sure if it'll be this time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 :(I'm confused. George said Welbeck was no better than Sammy Ameobi a few months back and now he's putting him in his ideal England side ahead of Sturridge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpet Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 :(I'm confused. George said Welbeck was no better than Sammy Ameobi a few months back and now he's putting him in his ideal England side ahead of Sturridge. Welbeck's high work rate selfless play on the left side suits Hodgson's system more than Sturridge. I can't see Rooney and Sturridge both shining together while playing 4-4-2, and sacrifice has to be made, and the superior player is of course Rooney. Welbeck on the other hand, competes with likes of Milner/Chamberlain/Young for the LF spot, and I think he fits it better than his competitors. Looks good for Sammy's future chances for England, though it'd be canny of Nigeria called him up on Shola's advise for the WC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Sacrifice Walcott? He's not all that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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