The England Thread

[kingxlnc]

Eriksson also flopped in three main issues for England:

 

1. Scholes - there is no reason at all, if used properly in a Pirlo type of role that he could not have been playing (even at this world cup!). For someone with continental experience you would have expected him to be able to utilise that type of system more so than most British managers who tend to be limited in their understanding and experience of using such roles as a deep lying playmaker. There was always the Gerrard / Lampard debate - but never Scholes, who was shoehorned criminally on the left side.

 

2. For such a good side on paper, they were largely a lucky team (Germany 5-1 aside). I don't remember a single game against top opposition where I felt really positive or that we dominated to such an extent or that I enjoyed our style of play. In fact the last time England looked good, was under Glenn Hoddle in France 98. I think that team with Shearer, Owen, etc were more unlucky than most. They gave a good Argentina side featuring a peak Batistuta a helluva game with only 10 men and had a goal ruled out. They shouldn't have really faced Argentina as it was only down to a silly penalty against Romania that ensured we finished second as opposed to top of the group.

 

3. Too many random caps for random players. Devaluing the concept of playing for England. The likes of Powell, Ricketts etc.

 

Let's not forget his personal life was constantly in question, Ulrika, Faria, Nancy etc. The coach should be stable and not be that newsworthy.

 

He didn't justify his huge salary at all for me.

 

[Incognito]

Eriksson also flopped in three main issues for England:

 

1. Scholes - there is no reason at all, if used properly in a Pirlo type of role that he could not have been playing (even at this world cup!). For someone with continental experience you would have expected him to be able to utilise that type of system more so than most British managers who tend to be limited in their understanding and experience of using such roles as a deep lying playmaker. There was always the Gerrard / Lampard debate - but never Scholes, who was shoehorned criminally on the left side.

 

2. For such a good side on paper, they were largely a lucky team (Germany 5-1 aside). I don't remember a single game against top opposition where I felt really positive or that we dominated to such an extent or that I enjoyed our style of play. In fact the last time England looked good, was under Glenn Hoddle in France 98. I think that team with Shearer, Owen, etc were more unlucky than most. They gave a good Argentina side featuring a peak Batistuta a helluva game with only 10 men and had a goal ruled out. They shouldn't have really faced Argentina as it was only down to a silly penalty against Romania that ensured we finished second as opposed to top of the group.

 

3. Too many random caps for random players. Devaluing the concept of playing for England. The likes of Powell, Ricketts etc.

 

Let's not forget his personal life was constantly in question, Ulrika, Faria, Nancy etc. The coach should be stable and not be that newsworthy.

 

He didn't justify his huge salary at all for me.

Excellent post. Couldn't agree more.

[Guest]

I see your point about the '98 team but to win that cup, we'd have needed to have beaten Argentina, Holland, Brazil & France. They were all better than us imo.

 

2002, we'd have "only" have had Denmark, Brazil (granted), Turkey, and not the strongest Germany team and I think we'd have done it.

[Incognito]

I see your point about the '98 team but to win that cup, we'd have needed to have beaten Argentina, Holland, Brazil & France. They were all better than us imo.

 

2002, we'd have "only" have had Denmark, Brazil (granted), Turkey, and not the strongest Germany team and I think we'd have done it.

We'd beaten France on their own muckheap merely a year before and thrashed Holland in Euro 96 merely two years before. Add to that we'd held our own against Brazil too in Le Tournoi ? However Le Saux's fuck up against Romania cost us dear because without that we'd have cruised through the other side of the draw up to the semis in my opinion.

[George Bailey]

I'm repeating myself, but it's the national side and nationality becomes relevant.

So the only an Englishman should manage England postion. Not that I'm disagreeing with the relevance for many, but for me that's a part of the problem we have.

I would argue that it should always be the best qualified for the position, irrespective of nationality, communication issues aside.

i deally yes i would say if we have the talented managers/coaches then that's the ideal position, i would think most countries would feel that way tbh. But if we don't, and at this moment I'm not sure we have, then to look at other nationals doesn't bother me one jot.

 

i would have hoped we have moved on from the recent past (60+ years ago) between Germany and us for that to be a major issue. Maybe for a generation or two ago, but not now surely?

I remember my dad (who would be in his late 90s now) having real problems with Nissans investment locally in the 70s (many of his friends had been captured in Burma etc), and whilst thoroughly disagreeing with his point I understood them.

As a nation i think, hope, we have moved on a bit?

Although when you watch documentaries like the one on C5 or was it 4 re hooliganism and links to far right groups etc, the other week, you have to wionder.

 

Love to see a Vierra/klinsman/Henry involved myself.

 

[Guest]

We'd also just thrashed the beaten finalists of 2002 in their own stadium 9 months earlier.

[Ronaldo]

I'm repeating myself, but it's the national side and nationality becomes relevant.

So the only an Englishman should manage England postion. Not that I'm disagreeing with the relevance for many, but for me that's a part of the problem we have.

 

See, I never said that. I don't think it should be limited to English managers.

 

 

Love to see a Vierra/klinsman/Henry involved myself.

 

A proper coaching setup would be better.

[Mole_Toonfan]

Hiring foreign is fine but they have to be the right type of coach.

 

Sven and Capello didn't work for multiple different reasons, but above all they was very negative and arguably past it.

 

Usually in terms of national teams, i would say a nation should hire from its own country but in this case none of them are really good enough which is a really sad state of affairs.

[Ronaldo]

If Shearer was a decade younger and took Owen's place in the side I think we'd have won a tournament with Sven. Probably the '06 WC. 

 

That's all we were really lacking, someone up top to really rise when it mattered. Owen went missing like the cowardly little boy he is.

[Guest]

If Shearer was a decade younger and took Owen's place in the side I think we'd have won a tournament with Sven. Probably the '06 WC. 

 

That's all we were really lacking, someone up top to really rise when it mattered. Owen went missing like the cowardly little boy he is.

 

I think if Shearer had came out of retirement in 2002 as was hinted for a bit, him over Heskey in that side alone might have been the difference.

[Incognito]

We'd also just thrashed the beaten finalists of 2002 in their own stadium 9 months earlier.

We did, however I can't think of another performance under Sven anywhere near as good as that so much so it's fair to say that it was a real flash in the pan.

[Incognito]

Hiring foreign is fine but they have to be the right type of coach.

 

Sven and Capello didn't work for multiple different reasons, but above all they was very negative and arguably past it.

 

Usually in terms of national teams, i would say a nation should hire from its own country but in this case none of them are really good enough which is a really sad state of affairs.

Agree with this too.

 

 

Klopp would be a breath of fresh air.

[Guest]

When did we under Hoddle out of interest that suggested we were going to just pick off those sides?

 

Could equally say Holland 4-1 was a flash in the pan because we drew with Switzerland, got lucky against Scotland and should have lost to Spain.

[Incognito]

When did we under Hoddle out of interest that suggested we were going to just pick off those sides?

 

Could equally say Holland 4-1 was a flash in the pan because we drew with Switzerland, got lucky against Scotland and should have lost to Spain.

Well that was under Venables of course but I felt we'd improved under Hoddle.  And when he made mistakes;  which he did early in his reign ; he learned from them

 

I remember him selecting Le Tissier for the home game with Italy which left us basically with a passenger as Italy didn't need to do much to stop him getting the ball. Italy beat us 1-0 though we never threatened their goal. In the away game we needed to draw but dominated them due to imperious performances from Gazza and Ince and Ian Wright providing the movement that Le Tissier didn't at Wembley.

 

[henke]

I'd love Klopp. Though I can't ever see a German coaching england.

[Mole_Toonfan]

If Shearer was a decade younger and took Owen's place in the side I think we'd have won a tournament with Sven. Probably the '06 WC. 

 

That's all we were really lacking, someone up top to really rise when it mattered. Owen went missing like the cowardly little boy he is.

 

We were closer in 02 than 06 IMO, but having said that i don't disagree but i still feel there was some selection issues under Sven but we were able to overcome them due to the talent level we had.

 

Sven overall did a good job personally, but we fell a little bit short under him against the very best but still i stand by what i said. If we were to go foreign i'd look for someone who is more positive.

[Ronaldo]

I'd love Klopp. Though I can't ever see a German coaching england.

 

I'm pretty amazed any Englishman would be in favour of it.

[Tooj]

Thought the tactics at times under Sven were really poor. As in we often played a lot of long-ball and totally bypassed the midfield, which is one of the reasons I thought Scholes was so poor before he was shunted out to the left.

[Kimbo]

If I was Greg Dyke    I would offer the job to Rafa, either now or in 2 years time when Hodgson hopefully leaves. Though that might be as popular as hiring a German.

 

It will be Redknapp won't it. 

[Ronaldo]

Nah, I'd love Rafa to get it. Great manager.

[Anderson]

Absolutely no doubt they'll go English again mind, they won't have the bollocks to make another foreign hire.

[ponsaelius]

I'm personally a bit puzzled why you're allowed foreign managers in international football anyway, but if its allowed then there's no difference between a German managing us and an Italian in Capello. The rivalry is a false one, we're also-rans while they're perennial achievers. It's like trying to say Manchester United are Newcastle's rivals. There would be no difference to a German managing say Sweden or the Czechs based on our record.

 

[TRC]

Give it to Pulis.

[Incognito]

I'm personally a bit puzzled why you're allowed foreign managers in international football anyway, but if its allowed then there's no difference between a German managing us and an Italian in Capello. The rivalry is a false one, we're also-rans while they're perennial achievers. It's like trying to say Manchester United are Newcastle's rivals. There would be no difference to a German managing say Sweden or the Czechs based on our record.

Agree. I'd like us to get someone to instill a winning mentality into us firstly and foremost. I don't care what nationality he is. I actually would like Wenger.

[loki679]

I'd love Klopp. Though I can't ever see a German coaching england.

 

I'm pretty amazed any Englishman would be in favour of it.

 

So no Germans due to something that happened long before you and they were born.  Your primitive attitude extends further than your fists I see.