Disco Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Makes you wonder like, how badly is Fraser Forster thought of if he's behind Jack Butland in the pecking order, who as far as I know isn't even Birmingham's first choice. At least Forster has played consistently for Celtic. Must have come highly rated from Pearce as he has 6 u21 caps. Obviously Hodgson doesn't think much of Stockdale which makes his past England call ups even more incredulous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Who the fuck is Jack Butland?! Birmingham keeper who played on loan at Cheltenham Town this season who are in League 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley17 Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Makes you wonder like, how badly is Fraser Forster thought of if he's behind Jack Butland in the pecking order, who as far as I know isn't even Birmingham's first choice. At least Forster has played consistently for Celtic. Must have come highly rated from Pearce as he has 6 u21 caps. Obviously Hodgson doesn't think much of Stockdale which makes his past England call ups even more incredulous. Unless Stockdale is going to the Olympic keeper? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Makes you wonder like, how badly is Fraser Forster thought of if he's behind Jack Butland in the pecking order, who as far as I know isn't even Birmingham's first choice. At least Forster has played consistently for Celtic. Must have come highly rated from Pearce as he has 6 u21 caps. Obviously Hodgson doesn't think much of Stockdale which makes his past England call ups even more incredulous. Unless Stockdale is going to the Olympic keeper? He's 26 though, so would have to be an overrage option if he was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley17 Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Makes you wonder like, how badly is Fraser Forster thought of if he's behind Jack Butland in the pecking order, who as far as I know isn't even Birmingham's first choice. At least Forster has played consistently for Celtic. Must have come highly rated from Pearce as he has 6 u21 caps. Obviously Hodgson doesn't think much of Stockdale which makes his past England call ups even more incredulous. Unless Stockdale is going to the Olympic keeper? He's 26 though, so would have to be an overrage option if he was. Fuck, had no idea he was that old. Probably not that then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tisd09 Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 I'm not sure if I can disagree too much with what is available to pick. Richards is a strange one. And I think Carrick has been canny the tail end of the season. Downing is the biggest shocker to me, I think Adam Johnson and Lennon would have been better options that him, maybe Hodgson is concerned by the lack of games from Johnson and Lennon? I think he may have dropped a bollock with Carrick. A midfield 3 of Parker, Carrick and Gerrard looks ok, lacks pace, but there are no pacey options these days. I suppose when we've played a midfield 3 this season (Newcastle that is) we've lacked a bit of pace but the movement and technical ability of the players has seen us through. I assume Barry will join Parker and Gerrard in CM, on their day they are good players, just wonder if Gerrard can get anywhere near his top level, that's the only hope England have until Rooney is available again. A lot of reliance will be on Young and Walcott on the wings neither have done it on a International stage as of yet?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 I'm not sure if I can disagree too much with what is available to pick. Richards is a strange one. And I think Carrick has been canny the tail end of the season. Downing is the biggest shocker to me, I think Adam Johnson and Lennon would have been better options that him, maybe Hodgson is concerned by the lack of games from Johnson and Lennon? I think he may have dropped a bollock with Carrick. A midfield 3 of Parker, Carrick and Gerrard looks ok, lacks pace, but there are no pacey options these days. I suppose when we've played a midfield 3 this season (Newcastle that is) we've lacked a bit of pace but the movement and technical ability of the players has seen us through. I assume Barry will join Parker and Gerrard in CM, on their day they are good players, just wonder if Gerrard can get anywhere near his top level, that's the only hope England have until Rooney is available again. A lot of reliance will be on Young and Walcott on the wings neither have done it on a International stage as of yet?? He's picked Milner. There are a few similar contradictions within the selection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest andrew Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Just seen the squad. Why the f*** is John Terry, Stewart Downing and Andy Carroll in there? (Plus why the f*** is Jordan Henderson on standby?!). Yep, England are screwed this summer. Terry is still arguably our best CB and Carroll is our best target man. Mystery solved? yep. and carrolls been looking great of late. just downing as the shit inclusion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Makes you wonder like, how badly is Fraser Forster thought of if he's behind Jack Butland in the pecking order, who as far as I know isn't even Birmingham's first choice. At least Forster has played consistently for Celtic. Must have come highly rated from Pearce as he has 6 u21 caps. Obviously Hodgson doesn't think much of Stockdale which makes his past England call ups even more incredulous. Unless Stockdale is going to the Olympic keeper? He's 26 though, so would have to be an overrage option if he was. Fuck, had no idea he was that old. Probably not that then. Aye. Keeper options are rubbish though so they might use an overrage slot on one. Allan McGregor maybe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley17 Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Carroll makes sense, he's actually looked in form recently. The type of selection people have been crying out for instead of the usual Heskey/Crouch/Carlton Cole/Zamora rubbish Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shaun Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Seen people complaining about Defoe who has 17 goals and 8 assists (all competitions) this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 I can actually see Carroll doing relatively well in this tbh. He should get good service from Lampard, Walcott and (if we get through) Rooney especially. That's why it makes even less sense leaving out Johnson and Lennon (limited but better than Downing). If Carroll starts they'll play to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Carroll needs a provider, and an arm around the shoulder in between matches, he will get neither. Downing is a catastrophic choice. That said not sure there is a good choice around, wouldn't like Scholes coming back in, Carrick maybe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Thing was always that the level of expectations were far, far too high before any tournament really. This time it'll probably be a bit different as people will expect them to drop out early. Anyways, time will tell. Probably sneak 2nd in the group and then bow against a decent QF opponent. No shame in that either. Spain will/should be waiting for us in the QF if we finish 2nd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tisd09 Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 I'm not sure if I can disagree too much with what is available to pick. Richards is a strange one. And I think Carrick has been canny the tail end of the season. Downing is the biggest shocker to me, I think Adam Johnson and Lennon would have been better options that him, maybe Hodgson is concerned by the lack of games from Johnson and Lennon? I think he may have dropped a bollock with Carrick. A midfield 3 of Parker, Carrick and Gerrard looks ok, lacks pace, but there are no pacey options these days. I suppose when we've played a midfield 3 this season (Newcastle that is) we've lacked a bit of pace but the movement and technical ability of the players has seen us through. I assume Barry will join Parker and Gerrard in CM, on their day they are good players, just wonder if Gerrard can get anywhere near his top level, that's the only hope England have until Rooney is available again. A lot of reliance will be on Young and Walcott on the wings neither have done it on a International stage as of yet?? He's picked Milner. There are a few similar contradictions within the selection. True enough but maybe Milner is seen as a more steady, consistent player? To be honest I'd have Milner in that squad in front of Johnson, Lennon and Downing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Seen people complaining about Defoe who has 17 goals and 8 assists (all competitions) this season. Probably because he's shit and England should never be in a situation where they are considering selecting him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Milner is a good player to have in the squad since he can cover a few positions reasonably well. Wouldn't be starting him though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 I'm not sure if I can disagree too much with what is available to pick. Richards is a strange one. And I think Carrick has been canny the tail end of the season. Downing is the biggest shocker to me, I think Adam Johnson and Lennon would have been better options that him, maybe Hodgson is concerned by the lack of games from Johnson and Lennon? I think he may have dropped a bollock with Carrick. A midfield 3 of Parker, Carrick and Gerrard looks ok, lacks pace, but there are no pacey options these days. I suppose when we've played a midfield 3 this season (Newcastle that is) we've lacked a bit of pace but the movement and technical ability of the players has seen us through. I assume Barry will join Parker and Gerrard in CM, on their day they are good players, just wonder if Gerrard can get anywhere near his top level, that's the only hope England have until Rooney is available again. A lot of reliance will be on Young and Walcott on the wings neither have done it on a International stage as of yet?? He's picked Milner. There are a few similar contradictions within the selection. True enough but maybe Milner is seen as a more steady, consistent player? To be honest I'd have Milner in that squad in front of Johnson, Lennon and Downing. To me the positives you've listed for Milner there would be negatives for me. Add one paced in to that and he's got the same attributes at the 4 centre midfielders picked. Why not pick someone who can do something different, maybe beat a man, use some tricks, can change a game like Sturridge or moreso AJohnson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Was so hoping Adam Johnson would be going not sure what the Oxlade has shown that Johnson hasn't over the years. Hopefully chucking Ox into the squad doesn't halt his development. Would have preferred him to maybe play in the next tournament instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Oxlade will be a much better footballer than Johnson long term like. Got a brain. I'd be tempted to play him in the heart of midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Craig-NUFC Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Turns out Carrick had retired from international football a while back but told the FA to be hush about it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 Disappointed that Downing got in ahead of Johnson, in terms of end product, they are miles apart. Johnson can dribble, shoot and is not too bad with crosses, all attributes that Downing don't have. He is probably one of the most useless wingers around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 Disappointed that Downing got in ahead of Johnson, in terms of end product, they are miles apart. Johnson can dribble, shoot and is not too bad with crosses, all attributes that Downing don't have. He is probably one of the most useless wingers around. this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 Hodgson says that Parker could well still miss out through injury, which presumably means there's a very real chance of Henderson coming in. Struggling to think of a more ludicrous choice in history if he does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 Turns out Carrick had retired from international football a while back but told the FA to be hush about it It's surely not coincidence that far too many Man Utd players retire from international football well before they should do. Ferguson got his hands in there really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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